Yep. 2023 season is perfect for giving Trask a chance to sink or swim. The Bucs need to find out about that pick. Transition year, maybe 5-6 wins at best. Anything more would be a wonderful surprise.
@bucsbits I would take that with a grain of salt coming from Jason. Bruce also talks out of his butt too. Remember he tried to hype us up about Payton Barber. Oh yeah , didn't Jason say Fournette has another 5 years of good years in him?
@badtimes please believe me. You will see Trask throwing picks too. May not be 30 , but he might throw 10 to 15.
Winston played 5 years for the Bucs and never improved. He was making the same bonehead mistakes his 5th season as he was his first season.
I am on the baker mayfield bandwagon, but also fine with going with trask . Mayfield as i have said in another thread really showed who he can be with the 2 seasons under stefanski..2nd season he was injured almost the whole season. If u look at him in the glass half full way he has so much more upside than anyone outside of rodgers. If you watch his highlites, He has numerous plays highlights that show and ability that only rodgers could match.
While I'm no fan of Winston, you're an idiot if you think that Mayfield or Jimmy G is better.
If he were available as a cheap vet, you'd sign him in a heartbeat.
That being said, Arians hates him. Winston and his camp hate Arians and Licht.
So, it would never happen.
@badtimes please believe me. You will see Trask throwing picks too. May not be 30 , but he might throw 10 to 15.
So the guy who threw 15 INT's against SEC defenses in 24 games while also throwing for 69 TD's (a better than 4:1 TD:INT ratio) is going to come in and stink and throw what amounts to an average amount of picks in the NFL and you want the interception machine to comeback? Peyton Manning had 28 picks his first year and threw for less than 10 INT's only one time with 9 in 2006. Aaron Rogers' first year starting he threw 13 INT's. Even Tom Brady threw 12 picks in his first year as starter, and had double digit INT's his first 6 years. If Trask throws for more than 20 TD's (which I think he will) and less than 15 picks, I think that would be a success, and I believe he will do just that. The offense coming in is QB friendly and isn't prone to turnovers.
To Winston, the turnover machine, I say "Not just NO! But HELL NO!"
If Trask throws for more than 20 TD's (which I think he will) and less than 15 picks, I think that would be a success
BucHarbour, I agree with you, but I guarantee if those are Trask's stats at the end of the year, a lot of people on this board will be howling to draft a QB in the first round. I don't understand all the people ignoring his play in college. Unless, it's because of where he played.
While I'm no fan of Winston, you're an idiot if you think that Mayfield or Jimmy G is better.
I'll be the idiot that says Jimmy G is better. Hell, if there is a difference between the two #1 overall picks in Winston/Mayfield - it's very small. All three have played 70+ games. I won't tout Garoppolo's record, because his team is a large function of that. But so is his ability to take care of the football. He doesn't cost his team games like the other two.
Garoppolo: 8.3 YPA and 2.07 TD/Int ratio
Winston: 7.7 YPA and 1.45 TD/Int ratio
Mayfield: 7.2 YPA and 1.59 TD/Int ration
Winston's inability to take care of the football is crushing to his football team.
If he were available as a cheap vet, you'd sign him in a heartbeat.
I will agree that Winston's price will make him more attractive than Garoppolo. Garoppolo will probably do pretty well in FA. I doubt Winston will, which again shows Garoppolo has been the better NFL QB.
If Trask throws for more than 20 TD's (which I think he will) and less than 15 picks, I think that would be a success
BucHarbour, I agree with you, but I guarantee if those are Trask's stats at the end of the year, a lot of people on this board will be howling to draft a QB in the first round. I don't understand all the people ignoring his play in college. Unless, it's because of where he played.
The people who supported Winston even though he was a turnover machine will never give Trask the same benefit of the doubt they gave Winston.
If Trask throws for more than 20 TD's (which I think he will) and less than 15 picks, I think that would be a success
BucHarbour, I agree with you, but I guarantee if those are Trask's stats at the end of the year, a lot of people on this board will be howling to draft a QB in the first round. I don't understand all the people ignoring his play in college. Unless, it's because of where he played.
The people who supported Winston even though he was a turnover machine will never give Trask the same benefit of the doubt they gave Winston.
Yep. For some, school dictates too much when players get into the NFL. I don't care what team a player comes from. Only how good the guy is. Nobody saw me advocating for Franks just because he was a Gator. I was all in with Brad Johnson, despite his college. My favorite player of all time, Derrick Brooks, is someone I hated in college because of some of the plays I thought were dirty when they played against Wuerfel. Once they graduate, I don't care. Now we hear even more from players Trask was with saying how great he was. Just like Pitts raving about his ability to put the ball in a catchable position. I believe he'll end up being one of the more successful QB's from that draft year, and that he'll have a shot at being the first Bucs' drafted QB to get a second contract. But if he goes out and stinks it up, I'll be for moving on, as long as we give him time to learn and adjust before pulling the plug. Where he played is irrelevant to how I will feel about him in respect to this team. Produce or move on.
But so is his ability to take care of the football. He doesn't cost his team games like the other two.
Of course he doesn't.
For the majority of his career, he's played in arguably the most QB-friendly system in modern NFL history.
Looking back on it, I should've worded it differently.
Winston has the higher ceiling of the 3 qbs.
I’d rank it like this
going for superbowl - Rodgers, Lamar, Carr
going for playoffs/perhaps lightening strikes - jimmy G (and by lightening let’s hope the bolt doesn’t hit jimmy to cause him to miss 6 games)
reset year - don’t care, biting the salary cap bill for going all in for 3 years to set up a healthy competitive 2024 -
trask
mayfield
anyone else
I just hope they don’t draft a qb or RB this year. Let’s not be the New York jets. Please use the picks on OT, WR, DE, DL, ILB, CB or S.
if trask performs lights out, great. We have our QB of the future - Aaron Rodgers style who was on the bench for 2 years under Favre
if trask sucks, great. We have a top pick to land potentially a top 10 QB in this league for the next 15 years.
Reset year sounds about right.
