Winston was 21 and threw a pick 6 the first play of the Tennessee game and within the first 6 plays of the Carolina had a lost fumble and pick 6. To say he had to start is being hard headed. Your way didn't work.
are you suggesting Winston who hasn’t figured it out in his entire 5 year career with Tampa, would have figured it out if he didn’t play the first 7 games of his rookie season?
dude couldn’t beat out Andy Dalton last year. Much easier to protect the ball on the bench
We'll never know. But starting him Week 1 did not work and data shows that sitting QBs works better.
lmao. Exactly my point
up above JC make a causal link between Winston starting and his poor career. (“Your way didn’t work”) and if thst isn’t laughable enough then immediately backtracks to “ we will never know” lmao
there is TONS of data on Winston, with multiple coaches and systems over multiple years but it’s a message board so making up the back pedal is SOP
JC “logic”
mariota’s career was doomed because they started him…
and he threw 4 TDs on the road on a blow out win
oh wait..
Winston was 21 and threw a pick 6 the first play of the Tennessee game and within the first 6 plays of the Carolina had a lost fumble and pick 6. To say he had to start is being hard headed. Your way didn't work.
are you suggesting Winston who hasn’t figured it out in his entire 5 year career with Tampa, would have figured it out if he didn’t play the first 7 games of his rookie season?
dude couldn’t beat out Andy Dalton last year. Much easier to protect the ball on the bench
We'll never know. But starting him Week 1 did not work and data shows that sitting QBs works better.
lmao. Exactly my point
up above JC make a causal link between Winston starting and his poor career. (“Your way didn’t work”) and if thst isn’t laughable enough then immediately backtracks to “ we will never know” lmao
there is TONS of data on Winston, with multiple coaches and systems over multiple years but it’s a message board so making up the back pedal is SOP
I said we'll never know to be facetious.
But I'm sitting here wondering if you're really this stupid or you can't admit that my outlines for how the Bucs should handle situations were just flat out smarter than what they actually did.
Example 1. Luke McCown should have started in 2008 AND 2009. Gruden finally names him starter then backs out of at game time. Next season there's a "competition" between McCown and Leftwich. Bucs then go on to go 1-16 in their next 17 games and the Red Board consensus is that I was wrong. What would have McCown done? We'll never know but the other way resulted in 1-16.
Example 2. Stovall should have been given a legit chance to be the #2 WR. He played well in small sample sizes. I was intrigued and wanted to see more. Instead the Bucs donk off the #39 pick on Arrelious Benn and he sucked. Red Board consensus is that I was wrong.
Example 3. Glennon should have started in 2015. Glennon had some good moments and there was no harm in sitting Winston. Bucs start 21 year old Winston and it's pretty much worst case scenario: turnovers, team stinks, coaches are getting fired, he's getting suspended, he's getting benched. Red Board consensus is that I was wrong.
Example 4. Scotty Miller should be the #3 WR and we shouldn't be in 12 and 13 personnel. Miller was used as the #3 in the 4th qtr vs the Rams and saved the game. Then he goes back to the bench while Ko Kieft, Cam Brate and Russell Gage are out there putzing around and the offense sucks all year expect for Brady and Evans putting on capes to get the team a pathetic division championship. Red Board consensus is that I was wrong.
Do you see the problem with Red Board logic against me?
Jesus...those are some bad memories and it reminds me why I wanted Licht gone pre Brady
exactly my point! I feel like Licht is getting a lot of hype (especially by PR) and I don’t feel personally it’s objectively fair/earned. That’s my opinion of course. Right or wrong my opinion is this teams success has a lot more to do with Brady, Arians, and the Glazers pocket book for those seasons (out of necessity for our inability at the time to get fans to the stadium and avoid blackouts). Then to credit Licht who has honestly done more bad than good.
Do you see the problem with Red Board logic against me?
You once boasted that you got “paid BIG bucks to make BIG football decisions”.
Yet, spent countless hours on here.
Your constant insinuations that you are/were the GM of a pro (or collegiate) program might have something to do with it.
Not to mention the odd hills you are willing to die on. Freeman being the most hilarious.
Why did Bruce Arians come here? Why did Brady come here? the Glazers pocket book? Brady took a pay cut to play here. Arians could have taken a job in multiple places I'm sure. Why did they come here? Arians came here because he didn't want to be bothered with "shopping for the groceries". He just wanted to coach, and he trusted Jason Licht. That's why he came. Tom Brady would not have come here if he didn't have respect for the front office and if he didn't like the team that was assembled here. You can have whatever opinion you want about Licht, but to pretend that Arians and Brady coming here had nothing to do with Licht is just disingenuous. You are just denying the facts in front of your face. Neither Arians or Brady would have come here because of the Glazers' pocketbook. They wouldn't have come here if it wasn't for Jason Licht.Jesus...those are some bad memories and it reminds me why I wanted Licht gone pre Brady
exactly my point! I feel like Licht is getting a lot of hype (especially by PR) and I don’t feel personally it’s objectively fair/earned. That’s my opinion of course. Right or wrong my opinion is this teams success has a lot more to do with Brady, Arians, and the Glazers pocket book for those seasons (out of necessity for our inability at the time to get fans to the stadium and avoid blackouts). Then to credit Licht who has honestly done more bad than good.
Why did Bruce Arians come here? Why did Brady come here? the Glazers pocket book? Brady took a pay cut to play here. Arians could have taken a job in multiple places I'm sure. Why did they come here? Arians came here because he didn't want to be bothered with "shopping for the groceries". He just wanted to coach, and he trusted Jason Licht. That's why he came. Tom Brady would not have come here if he didn't have respect for the front office and if he didn't like the team that was assembled here. You can have whatever opinion you want about Licht, but to pretend that Arians and Brady coming here had nothing to do with Licht is just disingenuous. You are just denying the facts in front of your face. Neither Arians or Brady would have come here because of the Glazers' pocketbook. They wouldn't have come here if it wasn't for Jason Licht.Jesus...those are some bad memories and it reminds me why I wanted Licht gone pre Brady
exactly my point! I feel like Licht is getting a lot of hype (especially by PR) and I don’t feel personally it’s objectively fair/earned. That’s my opinion of course. Right or wrong my opinion is this teams success has a lot more to do with Brady, Arians, and the Glazers pocket book for those seasons (out of necessity for our inability at the time to get fans to the stadium and avoid blackouts). Then to credit Licht who has honestly done more bad than good.
I think it’s important to recognize that Brady didn’t take a ‘pay cut’ to come here. Brady earned (according to overthecap) $102,528,438.
Brady whether you believe only intended to play 1-2 years when he got here and the third year happened unexpectedly - if you average that $102.5M salary across 3 years that’s $34,176,146 a season. Don’t fall for the cap games of how we spread Brady’s money. Brady is the third highest paid Buccaneer of all time and he played three seasons here.
You talk about Jason Licht is the reason Brady came here? I think you’re overselling his contribution. Brady wanted to go to the 49ers. They said no to him. Brady tried to go to the Raiders. They choose “that MF’r” Derek Carr over him. Brady would’ve been in Miami if not for the stuff that happened there. Did Licht have a hand in getting Brady here? Yes. But, of the possibilities of where Brady could go since he was trying to leave the Patriots his options were limited.
Brady came here because we were a qb away from contention... Arians came here because of Licht.
I'm big Licht hater but the reality is he was a huge part of Brady... which put us over the mark to contend.
And the players he drafted were part of why Brady came... the weapons and the talented defense.
Then he solidified the line and wisely moved up one spot to grab Wirfs.
I'm a Licht hater for all the other shit stain years and recent idiocy (especially in the draft) but you gotta give credit where credit is due
Brady didn't play here for free, that's true. But he didn't come here for the money. Brady didn't need the money. He had a wife worth more than him. He has side businesses and advertisements. The money had nothing to do with Brady coming here, and everyone knows that including you, Army. People can argue about Licht's successes and failures and whether he's a good GM or a crappy one. Of course there is plenty of evidence for either side. But did Arians and Brady have respect for Licht and the team he had assembled? That's not up for debate. Of course the answer is yes.
Example 3. Glennon should have started in 2015. Glennon had some good moments and there was no harm in sitting Winston. Bucs start 21 year old Winston and it's pretty much worst case scenario: turnovers, team stinks, coaches are getting fired, he's getting suspended, he's getting benched.
This ^^^ is great example of JC lunacy.
You are arguing FOR something that was NEVER going to happen with the Bucs and that DID happen with another team and the result was FAILURE . . spectacular failure, Glennon benched after 4 turnovers.
NEVER HAPPENING WITH 2015 BUCS
With Lovie Smith very much on the hot seat there is NO WAY he's going to leave his fate to a prior fired coaches back up QB over the #1 PICK, described at the time as the "most NFL-ready college QB" ever.
There's no way Licht allows that
No way the Glazers allow that
No way the fans allow that, especially after the dismal season that got us to
YOUR PLAN ACTUALLY FAILED
The Bears did exactly what you are suggesting in 2017 and they did so even though they moved up to #2 (I think) to get a QB who actually played well that preseason.
Glennon started instead. Glennon was benched after four or five games:
"According to Elias Sports Bureau research, Glennon is the only Bears player in the past 40 seasons to have three turnovers in a half twice within the first four games of a season.
"We just have to put an end [to all the turnovers]," Fox said. "It's not all one person as I told the team, but we're just going to go in a different direction."
JC, your posts about players are almost always after the fact tilting at windmills.
Always some version of "if the Bucs would have just done something you would have done (lol) . . they would've had more success."
When it comes to Glennon though, not only are you titling at windmills, but some idiot in the NFL actually decided to follow your advice and put Glennon out there with real dragons . . AND HE WAS INCINERATED
(I actually like Mike Glennon)
