FAB 4. Pass Rushers Worth Watching At East-West Shrine Game
There will be plenty of pass rushers for the defensive end-needy Buccaneers to scout at next week’s East-West Shrine Game. The question is, are any of them good enough to have their sack numbers translate to the NFL?
Last year’s top pass rusher at the East-West Shrine practices was Florida Atlantic defensive end Trey Hendrickson, who was a third-round pick by New Orleans. This year the roster has plenty of intriguing defensive ends, including Missouri’s Marcell Frazier, SMU’s Justin Lawler, Central Michigan’s Joe Ostman and Slippery Rock’s Marcus Martin.
Let’s start with Martin, the guy you’ve never heard of. Martin had some crazy production at the small school level, recording 15.5 sacks and 26.5 tackles for loss this year to lead the nation in Division II. He’s the all-time NCAA career sacker at any levl with 56, and he finished first at the Division II level for career tackles for loss (92.5).
Martin has a great motor and a decent burst, but at 6-1, 255 with an estimated 40-time in the 4.8 range, he’s considered to be a late-round prospect or an undrafted free agent because of his limited athleticism and the quality of competition he faced. He’ll be interesting to watch next week, but the little tape I’ve seen on him shows me he can get pushed around easy, especially in the run game.
I haven’t been terribly impressed with Lawler on film although he was one of the better pass rushers in 2017 with 9.5 sacks and has 20.5 tackles for loss in his career. I don’t think he’s a great athlete. The 6-foot-3, 265-pound Lawler is expected to run in the 4.8 range and seems to get by on hustle and bull rushes. He doesn’t have a lot of pass rushing moves, which is a concern.
Ostman is similarly built to Lawler, but seems to have more athleticism and burst off the edge. He’s also been more productive in terms of rushing the passer and making plays behind the line of scrimmage, and he also creates more takeaways. Ostman had 220 tackles, 45.5 tackles for loss and 26 sacks in his Chippewas career. He also forced eight fumbles and recovered four.
Ostman has a relentless motor and knack for getting the ball, evidenced by his five forced fumbles over the last two years. Ostman had eight sacks as a junior and finished strong with 13 sacks, and a career-high 19.5 tackles for loss. I’m curious to see what Ostman can do next week in St. Petersburg, and if he could be worth a Day 3 pick by Tampa Bay in April.
Missouri has a long history of producing pass rushing defensive linemen, such as Ziggy Hood, Aldon Smith, Sheldon Richardson, Jacquies Smith, Kony Ealy, Markus Golden, Shane Raye, and Charles Harris from last year’s draft class, among others. The key was former Mizzou defensive line guru Craig Kuligowski, who coached all of those former Tigers stars and has been with the Miami Hurricanes for the past two years. Frazier spent two years with Kuligowski, recording two sacks and a forced fumble in 2015 before his departure.
Over the last two seasons, Frazier has recorded 25 tackles for loss and 15.5 sacks in addition to seven passes defenses, two forced fumbles and a fumble recovery as a full-time starter. Licht likes defensive linemen that have a good amount of passes defensed because it is an indicator about their alertness and awareness. If a defensive lineman can’t get to the quarterback to apply a hit or a sack, knocking a pass down on third down to force a punting situation gets the job done, too. Frazier is far from being a finished product, and like most of the East West Shrine Game prospects is viewed as a Day 3 pick.
I know less about the defensive tackles in attendance at the East West Shrine Game, but I am aware that USF’s Deadrin Senat will be there and I’ll be watching him closely. I have Senat going to the Bucs in the fifth round of PewterReport.com’s initial 2018 Bucs’ 7-Round Mock Draft.
You may remember my suggestion that the Bucs should deploy a 3-4 defense in a previous SR’s Fab 5 due to the fact that the team’s pass rush is severely lacking along the defensive line and Tampa Bay’s linebacker corps is the strength of the team. I haven’t heard anything about a possible scheme change, so I’m expecting the Bucs to still run a 4-3 base defense when not in nickel situations.
Some NFL teams view Arkansas State pass rusher Ja’Von Rolland-Jones as a 3-4 outside linebacker, but at 6-foot-2, 244 pounds, the Bucs could view him as an undersized 4-3 defensive end, as he’s the same size as Noah Spence. Rolland-Jones has had back-to-back seasons with 13 sacks and 19 tackles for loss, and finished his college career with 43.5 sacks, which is half a sack shy of tying Terrell Suggs’ career FBS sack record of 44.
In his Red Wolves career, Rolland-Jones has amassed 179 tackles, 63 tackles for loss, 43.5 sacks, 10 forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and one interception. He’s one of the few East West Shrine Game prospects that could be drafted on Day 2 in the second or third round, depending on how he fares next week and how well he performs at the NFL Scouting Combine and his pro day workout.
The PewterReport.com staff will be in St. Petersburg, Fla. next week to cover the East West Shrine Game practices, and will then travel to Mobile, Ala. to cover the NFL Draft prospects at the Senior Bowl.
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Scott- I hope Licht isn’t on the hot seat. I think he is a good GM, and will get the talent where it needs to be. Anyone who didn’t think the Bucs were draft classes away last year was crazy. The problem with your article is that without a miracle or luck Licht is a goner. It will take drafts not a draft & FA to get the lines were they need to be. Coughlin had/has years your article gives him a year. I do believe this team is a 8 win team and not a 4 win team. It… Read more »
Well said, MudMan!
Jason Licht is going into his 5th year as the GM of this team. Even with a first overall pick earned by creating the worst roster in football in 2014 (2-14) which allowed him to draft a franchise QB, you openly admit this team still is not playoff ready into said QB’s 4th year. So if a GM has 5 years, “earns” himself the top pick in the draft and never makes the playoffs, what praytell is so great about this GM? The roster, as noted in this article is filled with holes. The GM, as noted, is filled with… Read more »
Not quite true. Jax and Coughlin have done a great job this year. Some of their studs on D were drafted the last few years, not under Coughlin’s watch. He’s done an amazing job for sure. But, it wasn’t all this year’s work.
The Jaguars were 3-13 last year and 10-6 this year with a playoff victory to boot. Not only had the Jags not been to the playoffs since 2007, they had won more than 5 games in a season only TWICE in that span (7 games in 09, 8 games in 10). Coughlin certainly didn’t build the entire roster, but that’s a pretty stark contract from one year to the next and the man who has coached two super bowl victories deserves a lot of credit for the one year turnaround, given it coincided with him taking a senior VP role… Read more »
Well, to be honest. He did well by signing of Michael Johnson as the DE in 2013 he is/was at the time very talented. However, we over-paid the guy to be THE MAN when he had never been one before..He was coming from a STUD Dline in Cincy it was a very talented DLine! So, when you still only have McCoy and a single guy from the outside in Johnson at the DE position and not much else then you are back to a Tackle & A TE helping out on the DE and a double team in the interior… Read more »
Yup, devasher … if people are still after 5 seasons saying that Licht still needs many more seasons to get right what he should have gotten right within the first four or five seasons, then there litearlly is no way Licht can ever be held accountable or fired for incompetence, because it’s always going to be “several more seasons”. There is literally no limiting principle to this kind of thinking – just permanent excuses in a league where numerous teams go from worst to first in a single season, or two. The Glazers are going to regret not firing Licht… Read more »
It’s now Monday, and I just read the synopsis in the Tampa Bay Times of Licht’s post-2017 media conference… it was a crock of shit, full of excuses and whining and complaining that people had “unreal expectations for the Bucs offense”, gave an example that everyone expected 50 points a game (???????), and that the Bucs themselves didn’t have very high expectations, it was all imposed by outsiders (yeah, you damned fans, who the hell are YOU to set the bar at making the playoffs for the first time in a decade?”). The Bucs plans to get better? Nothing specific,… Read more »
I don’t see any reason for Licht not to go all out this off season. I’m not talking spending crazy money as you have to pay big Mike, Kwon , Jameis and other soon. But this defensive line cannot be fixed just through the draft. That and the fact that LIcht and Kotter are basicaly on one year deals, why the hell not go for it! The problem is that LIcht and Koetter have been too loyal to some guys, Doug Martin comes to mind, and counted too much on unknown commodities, like Spence. I personally think we do get… Read more »
cg – we may well get Chubb, or Key (who is also quite capable). But I am not confident in Licht’s ability to rebuild and entire defensive line, or to rebuild an entire offensive line – both of which are crying out for total rebuilds, as they are the most incompetent elements of the Bucs these days. And I am not confident that Mike Smith will ever give up on his pointless and silly d-line stunting. It frustrates the players, and it produces ugly results. If we don’t change any of the coaching or design of the two lines, we… Read more »
Meathead is doing his job. Continuity is what will bring winning to Tampa. Cutting a bunch of players and bringing in a bunch of new players is not going to work in the short term… and then off with Koetter’s head. The Jags have been accruing highly talented defensive players over the last few years because they have been drafting near the top of the pile in those years. Licht started with the offense in his first two drafts. I hope that he drafts DL & OL early and often this year. I also don’t think that it’s necessarily a… Read more »
The only Super Bowl this team has ever had was filled with free agents, coaching and player turnover. The offense that helped the Bucs get over the hump was essentially reconstructed by Gruden. The very same team in 2003, with far less turnover missed both expectations and the playoffs. There is a degree of turnover and change that can give a team a new direction and players with “something to prove”, stagnation is the enemy of good. Stagnation of a bad 5-11 team is not likely to bring about positive change. Imagine you have a poorly performing restaurant, you keep… Read more »
I’m keeping McCoy, Sweezy and Quizz. Everyone else on this list, cut. Add the numbers of those I would cut to the $61, 476, 282 = 85,601,282 Sign LT Nate Solder and Center Ryan Jensen. New O Line – Solder/Sweezy/Jensen/Marpet/Smith Sign DE Ansah and Michael Bennett. Bennett/McCoy/McDonald/Ansah, back up D line – Chubb/Clarke/Nnadi(draft pick)/N Spence Secondary: Sign CB Kyle Fuller, S Mike Mitchell, draft Tarvarus McFadden. Start Fuller and McFadden, Evans and Mitchell, VGII Nickel/Slot Resign Fitz Draft: Rd1) DE Bradley Chubb Rd2) RB Sony Michel Rd3) CB Tarvarus McFadden Rd 4) DT Derek Nnadi Rd 5) RB Kyle Hicks… Read more »
No too shabby. Not a fan of your draft, but the FA pickups on DL would work. I gotta disagree with keeping Sweezy. He’s shown nothing that warrants the Bucs paying him any more money. Need to replace Quizz too. All our backs, besides Barber, will be 28+ next season. Get younger, better players and build for the future. And why are you moving our best OL in 2017, Dot, out of the starting rotation? D Smith can’t play RT. Also, Reedy was cut and signed with the Patriots.
Oh damn, my bad I thought he was a FA. Forgot he got a 3 yr extension in 2016. Ok so cut Sweezy. Solder/Smith/Jensen/Marpet/Dotson I like my draft. Bucs get the top pash rusher. They get one of the best RBs in the draft. They get good value in round 3 with McFadden, while also getting longer at that position with him and Fuller in FA. Hargraves hasn’t lived up to a #11 pick going into his third year. He should be the Nickel CB. Bucs need to add to DT depth, someone who can challenge for a starting spot.… Read more »
Demar Dotson missing.
Dotson is a FA….
Alan Cross would be your FB. Stocker was released because he wasn’t effective out of the backfield and Cross was.
Yours is the sort of well reasoned approach I hope the Bucs take this year. Alan Cross and Demar Dotson have been mentioned. I do not agree with walking away from Grimes. First, I enjoy watching him play. Second, we need depth. And, third, plugging in a free agent and a rookie does not guarantee success. For your draft, I am hoping for Chubb to be their. If not, Scott may be right about taking G Quenton Nelson from ND. Solder/Smith, Nelson/Pamphile, Jensen/Hawley, Marpet/Smith, Dotson/Jones. From the prospect rankings at CBS Sports, your third and fourth round picks should be… Read more »
I absolutely cannot agree more with the Fab 1. I’ve felt Licht overvalued the talent on the team the last 2 years. We’re not one or two players away from contending. There is a lot of work to be done and cutting dead weight and gaining cap equity for signing guys this FA will make or break his tenure as GM. His 2016 draft is a major anchor on the team right now. Our outlook on FA & the draft needs would look vastly different if he’d have gone DT, DE, DE or DT, DE, S or S, DT, DE… Read more »
One of the key problems have been the failures in free agency. Had the Bucs paid for Calais Campbell instead of William Gholston and Chris Baker, I think you see a notable difference in some of those close games.
It’s good to be able to see promising rookies at safety and strongside linebacker but you have to be able to supplement it with NFL talent from around the league who can contribute. You can’t have the epic failures Licht has had over his tenure and expect to compete in a division like this with people who know what they are doing.
There have been some misses in FA at key areas. No doubt. Calais would have been nice, but his production wasn’t a guarantee. He was turning 31, had only averaged 7 sacks a season in Arizona and was commanding a huge contract. His cap hit this coming season is $17.5M! That is a ton of cap space for a soon to be 32 year old DE to eat up. He had a monster year, but he also played next to studs to help him get his numbers. Bucs don’t have anything on the DL like his situation in Jacksonville. We… Read more »
roots – you hit on it. With our coaching, don’t see big improvements no matter we have. When Smith and Hays call for all the stupid line stunts that the players hate and which we know kills the pass rush, but they’re too stubborn to live and learn, then we will just produce the same results with different bodies.
Not bad Scottie. Some good advice for Jason.
Cheveliar; agree with you.
Although I will say seeing the “Trade McCoy” thing bout made me puke a lil. I get the premise, just couldn’t personally pull that trigger. I don’t think you get as much back as you lose with Gerald being Gerald in that locker room.
cheveliar this is one of the best articles I have read in some time. About a RB to draft this year maybe I am missing something. The kid out on the west coast Penny has not been talked about IMO he looks good.
No he mentioned him in another article. I’m on the Sony Michel campaign. Love for us to grab him with the early 2nd
I don’t see him lasting until 2nd rd.
Scott; Fab 1,2 really good. Not turned on in signing Free Agents from 3-4 Defenses. Also I’m totally against signing Talib or Bennett as they will cause locker room issues. Rounds 1 & 2 should be DE’s. Maybe they might be a reach or not; the point is Koetter, Smith, Licht, know they have to improve the Pass Rush including signing a DE via Free Agency. This is the highest priority and fastest way to obtain additional wins; just my opinion.
Let’s see what the Meathead does. Let’s see what Koetter does. Some things have to change, right? This will be the first full training camp with an indoor facility. Will this allow Dirk to practice harder now that oppressive heat isn’t a factor? I think Dirk was a bit paranoid about the physical effects going to hard in the heat had on the players. Soon as it gets hot I’d hold all practices indoors except for one outdoor practice a week, just to stay used to the heat as you will need to come preseason on. No matter how they… Read more »
Outstanding Fab 5 SR, one of your best. I will add a bit of logic here:
Licht is wearing a Roy Williams jacket.
Roy is governed by planning for the worst.
Therefore, Licht will heed your advice.
Draft Chubb with first pick. Draft C Billy Short with 2nd rounder. Sign Ansah and Lotuleli in Free Agency. Bring back Grimes and McDonald too. Ansah, Chubb, Gholston and Spence would be great on the edges! Lotuleli would be perfect next to McCoy and it would weaken a divisional rival at the same time! This would be a very good start at addressing the trenches and I don’t mind seeing the team pay GOOD money for Ansah and Lotuleli. Maybe go for Malcolm Butler if we miss on Grimes. And I’m ok with listening to offers for McCoy if it… Read more »
It is fun to talk about the draft and free agency, but none of it matters much unless Winston develops into a franchise QB. Consistent play-off contenders have franchise QB’s, other teams do not. You can have a good season with a journeyman QB, but it never lasts, and you are always chasing that QB of the future. My heart really wants Winston to become the leader and offensive weapon that we all hope for, and my brain says there’s a 50/50 chance, but my gut says that it is not going to work out.
The Coughlin stuff was excellent SR. Licht is the anti-Coughlin. He should have been/should be the first to go. Devasher is all over it. The continuity we seek will come from not drafting busts or bringing in FA busts. Licht has had a slew of both. If the new players we bring in are worth keeping around it’ll go a lob way toward consistency. I don’t see how the Glazers sign off on bringing another batch of expressive 30+ year olds in just because the coach and GM have walked themselves onto the plank. We’re not playing for just this… Read more »
I’ve been saying the same thing countless times on numerous sites – great article! In my opinion, the Bucs need to go ALL IN on fixing both lines this offseason, bringing in 8 new faces to compete with the incumbents, improve the starters, and bolster the depth.
Fix the trenches, fix the Bucs!!
The Glazers should hire their own Tom Coughlin. Pay someone from outside the organization who might help Jason Licht fix things. If you’re not going to subtract anyone for our past failures, at least add someone to help make better personal decisions moving forward. I wouldn’t put the full trust on Licht alone to get it done.
As I have said all along Licht was the culprit to our failed year. I hope he heeds your advice Scott. You have done a great job with this article. However my hope is that our DC suddenly realizes you were right when you proposed we need to switch to the 3-4 because the real strength of our defense is our Linebackers. Get an experienced huge Nose Tackle, keeping McCoy as our 3 technique end and get a 5 technique other end in Free Agency, put our two LSU LBs as our inside backers, with our other starting LB outside… Read more »
This article speaks point black to the many issues of why Licht and Koetter have to think the worst to make the Buccaneers better this off-season. It is obvious the defense has the most work to be done. The Bucs need to find two more Cornerbacks in free agency capable of starting – in addition to Grimes, which may be difficult with cap space available. The Bucs have 23 Free Agents this year with their former contracts worth around $32,000,000 with $61,478,000 available. Cameron Brate, Charles Sims, Adam Humphries and Kevin Pamphile will be looking for a larger payday. With… Read more »
Every single player on the roster should be under consideration for cutting or trading, top to bottom, skill players and linemen, offense and defense. That does not mean 100% turnover, but nobody associated with Bucs management should approach this season with a sense of just a tweak here or there will get it done and produce a playoff team. Ditto with the coaching and GM. It’s still not too late for the baby Glazers to change their minds and fire Licht and the coaching staff. After all, they fired Dungy on January 14. But it also seems unlikely too. In… Read more »
Great post. Winston’s the only untouchable IMO. For now. He’s just too young. Too much talent that we’ve already invested in him. We just gotta be real careful giving up on 1st round #1 picks until we’re much more sure that it’s time to move on.
I’m not advocating getting rid of Jameis Winston. I AM in favor of putting him on a hot seat this coming season, along with every one of his teammates. We should also think hard about drafting a developmental quarterback in the mid rounds, because Fitz is probably only going to play another season, and I am not confident that our third stringer is NFL material, certainly not starting caliber. If Jameis is backed up only by an old guy on his last legs and a young guy who could never be starter, he’ll feel entitled. Nobody on this team should… Read more »
I think one thing that deserves highlighting a bit more concerning the likes of Calais Campbell and Julius Peppers still doing it in their 30’s is they have tons of help and can rotate in situationally. Ayers being an every down DE is too much for an older player. But this absolutely supports SR’s point: We can’t be satisfied with what we think are 2-3 foundation players on D-line as we’ve done way too many times in the past. We need another couple of draft years like 2010-11 where we drafted McCoy & Price in a row, then Clayborn &… Read more »
Raise your hand if you’re at (or long past) the nausea caused by all this Coughlin chatter (BOTH hands raised here). He is not a genius and if I could choose someone in Jacksonville’s front office to steal for our own it would (hands down) be GM David Caldwell. He beat Coughlin to this Jaguars rebuild by 4 seasons – yet its amusing Coughlin is largely the media & fan focus of the team’s amazing turnaround. Caldwell has been associated with the Panthers, the Colts (during their championships seasons), and spent five seasons as the Falcons director of player personnel… Read more »