FAB 2. Suh’s Impact On Vea And White

One of the ways former Bucs defensive tackle Gerald McCoy showed good leadership was his willingness to stay after practice and help younger defensive linemen work on their craft. McCoy would impart the dos and don’ts he had learned in his trial-by-fire baptism in the NFL during his first years in Tampa Bay where there wasn’t a veteran defensive lineman there to show him the ropes.

bucs Pro Bowl DT Gerald McCoy said he would welcome the chance to mentor the Bucs' first pick – Getty Images
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and Bucs DT Gerald McCoy – Photo by: Getty Images

Outside of the occasional offseason workout with Bucs legend Warren Sapp, McCoy had to lean on the teachings of defensive line coaches Todd Wash, Randy Melvin and Joe Cullen – none of who played in the league – as his only source of learning how to play defensive line in the NFL.

Assistant coaches are great, and their job is to teach players the techniques, but every assistant coach worth his salt loves to have a veteran in the room to help model what to do and how to do it to the young players.

New Bucs defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh is not an ideal role model in many ways.

As one of the league’s dirtiest players, there is plenty of “what not to do” about Suh’s game. There have been times where his motor has run hot and cold, and where he has drawn an unnecessary unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that has resulted in a steep fine. There are times when Suh needs to be reined in because he sometimes goes rogue and strays from the play calls.

It may take the strong-willed personalities of Bruce Arians, defensive coordinator Todd Bowles and defensive line coach Kacy Rodgers, a Bill Parcells disciple, to keep Suh in line at times. The team is betting that will happen.

Bucs DT Ndamukong Suh
Bucs DT Ndamukong Suh – Photo by: Getty Images

Suh may not stay after practice to help second-year defensive tackle Vita Vea, who was the team’s first-round pick in 2018, refine his technique like McCoy would. Suh might not pull aside rookie middle linebacker Devin White, this year’s first-round pick, and impart nine years of wisdom like McCoy would.

But Suh will be good for Vea and White in other ways.

When he was a Pro Bowl middle linebacker for the Bucs, Hardy Nickerson was a bully on the field and intimidating off it. He walked around One Buccaneer Place with an edge about him and he played with a nasty demeanor on the field that helped a young Derrick Brooks play more ruthlessly, and fostered and emboldened the swagger and viciousness that a young Warren Sapp already had within him.

When Ronde Barber was a rookie, he told me he was intimidated of him that first year because of Nickerson’s surliness. Nickerson, who arrived in 1993 from a playoff team in Pittsburgh in 1992, brought the edge and swagger that helped transformed the Yuccaneers into the Buccaneers.

Ask Brooks, ask Sapp, ask Barber and ask John Lynch and they will credit Nickerson for the beginning of Tampa Bay’s transformation. Nickerson’s leadership gave the Bucs defense – and the whole team itself – the attitude adjustment it desperately needed.

Nickerson couldn’t do it alone, which is why it took several years for Lynch, Brooks and Sapp to develop into playmakers – and for the arrival of head coach Tony Dungy – for the Bucs to finally turn the corner at the end of the 1996 season ahead of a 10-6 playoff year in ’97.

Former Bucs LBs Hardy Nickerson and Derrick Brooks - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Former Bucs LBs Hardy Nickerson and Derrick Brooks – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Suh is a defensive tackle, and not the leader of the defense like Nickerson was as the team’s middle linebacker back in the 1990s. But the attitude adjustment Suh is expected to bring will have its benefits.

Vea will be in good hands learning from a true veteran nose tackle in Beau Allen, while White will learn a ton from veteran linebacker Lavonte David, who has actually been the Bucs’ best defensive player since arriving as a second-round pick in 2012.

It’s safe to suggest that Suh plays the game more violently than McCoy – not that McCoy was finesse and not physical enough. I don’t think that was the case at all. But it’s pretty apparent that Suh and McCoy have different styles of play.

McCoy, an avid superhero fan, loves Batman, who tried his best to capture – but not kill – the bad guys in comic books and movies. I’m not sure if Suh reads comics or watches Marvel movies, but if he did, his favorite character might be The Punisher for obvious reasons.

McCoy admitted that his favorite movie is Disney’s The Little Mermaid. I don’t know what Suh’s favorite movie is, but if he said Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Predator, I wouldn’t be surprised.

You get the drift.

Bucs DT Vita Vea - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs DT Vita Vea – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

It took general manager Jason Licht having a one-on-one “chat” with Vea last year to light a fire and bring out the island warrior in his game down the stretch. Suh plays like an island warrior and the hope is that some of Suh’s nastiness can rub off on Vea’s game – minus the cheap shot penalties, of course.

For White, whose personality I’ve said seems to be a median between Brooks’ confidence and gravitas and Sapp’s swagger and attitude, and the team hopes that White feeds off Suh’s on-field aggression the way that Sapp, Brooks and other Bucs fed off Nickerson’s similar style.

Replacing McCoy with Suh wasn’t just about saving a few million dollars or getting a player that is just as good of a pass rusher as McCoy, but a better run defender. The Bucs wanted to pair Vea and White with an edgy, aggressive, no-nonsense defensive tackle like Suh at this early stage of their careers because this will be their Tampa Bay defense for the next decade to come.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 25th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]t.com
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Alldaway 2.0

What people don’t realize about Suh is that he is a very cerebral player and he can make adjustments on the fly if a defensive play doesn’t go according to plan. Simply put Suh is a pure football player that you can line up anywhere on the line as a mismatch piece. Whether it is a 3 technique, nose tackle, 5 technique or even as a wide 9 LEO Suh will rush the passer or find the ball carrier. He has the quickness and strength to beat 1 on 1 blocks. But Suh’s patience and intelligence has not been reported… Read more »

BUC-ASS-BOB

I do not know very much about Suh on paper he is good D Lineman which is needed alot without JPP and McCoy.
I just ask why no one else wanted him what do they know that Bucs don’t?
I can not make educated comment because I do not know the answer.

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chetthevette

Your last sentence sums up most of your posts. But we are all impressed that you are making an attempt at constructing them.
GO BUCS

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Captain Sly

Scott, I appreciate you always putting a positive spin on things but Suh was always and I mean always the back up plan. They could have signed Suh right after the Super Bowl but decided to wait on Mccoy all the way til the end of May before making this move. So no this was not always the plan but it could very well work to be good for us considering the $$ factor. Let’s just hope as Bucs fans that Suh shows up “hungry” and eager to lead this young crop of talent that’s here and turn this ship… Read more »

SenileSenior

Scott

Another good article. I will hold off my further comments for awhile. I’ll digest yours.

Except for this one. The injury to Perriman just might open the door a little further for Scotty Miller. He is much smaller but also has blazing speed. He has already shown he has great hands according to reports. He had better jump on this opportunity.
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Go Bucs!!!

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Captain Sly

I enjoyed going down memory lane with the Hardy Nickerson comparison you’re right about him. He was the first Buccaneers in Nike commercials shown ripping the face mask off of running backs and shown trying to knock the chest off Wideouts. No doubt Brooks and Lynch benefited from him because he brought the heat every Sunday.

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twspin

I hope you are right for our sake here Scott. But Suh plays for Suh. Always has..always will. Trust me, after the one yr deal. Buc fans are want to throw this guy to the wolves. Yes, he will flash and play good in spurts.
He’s not consistent..well he is..in penalties! We will see here shortly.But don’t expect sacks from this guy. He is a run stuffer though. I’m still not sure we gained a lot with him. Only time will tell.

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plopes808

He’s got more sacks than GMC in their respective careers, he’s also played more games, snaps, and has more tackles. At a $3 million discount, I’d say we walked away winners in this deal

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BigSombrero

A couple of thoughts on why Suh landed in Tampa Suh wasn’t picked up by other teams because: 1. He’s 32. 2. Expensive short term solution. His compensation was 3x a 1st round draft pick last year. 3. There was a ton of talent in a deep d-line draft this year. 4. Some think he started too slow last season and they were waiting for his price to drop. and/or maybe… 5. He didn’t want them. HE chose Tampa because HE wanted to play for Bowles in Tampa. If his market was set at $10 million, why not play in… Read more »

seat26

Excellent Pick up even if it is only for one year.

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BigSombrero

@twspin Penalties is an interesting comparison. In 2018… McCoy played 14 games and had 4 penalties accepted for 30 yards and 3 out of 4 occured at home. Roughing the Passer(1), Illegal Use of Hands(1), Neutral Zone Violation(1), Defensive Offsides(1) Suh played in 19 games(including playoffs) and had 6 penalties accepted(1 declined) for 53 yards and only 1 out of 7 occured at home. Roughing the Passer(2), Neutral Zone(3), Defensive Holding(2) So the difference is 2 penalties for 23 yards, but the guy played in 5 more games than McCoy. http://www.nflpenalties.com/player/n-suh-los-angeles-rams?year=2018 Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet.… Read more »

BigSombrero

@twspin Penalties is an interesting comparison. In 2018… McCoy played 14 games and had 4 penalties accepted for 30 yards and 3 out of 4 occured at home. Roughing the Passer(1), Illegal Use of Hands(1), Neutral Zone Violation(1), Defensive Offsides(1) Suh played in 19 games(including playoffs) and had 6 penalties accepted(1 declined) for 53 yards and only 1 out of 7 occured at home. Roughing the Passer(2), Neutral Zone(3), Defensive Holding(2) So the difference is 2 penalties for 23 yards, but the guy played in 5 more games than McCoy. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please… Read more »

plopes808

I haven’t watched him closely but it seems like Suh is one of those guys who’s reputation may be overblown. He does have a few blatant penalties for stomping QBs and such, but I think BA will keep him in check. He’s much more Sapp than GMC will ever be as far as playing style.

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Spitfire

Suh / Vea / Nelson Nassib / David / White / Barrett Our Front 7 may not have a ton of Depth but the Suh addition really does look like an upgrade and solidified our front. The cheap shots from Suh always turned me off of him but it seems he’s improved in that area since then and watching tape of him even last year and he is still as fast as ever and quick and still plays hard. I’m excited to see what he can still do. I feel like we have the right staff to handle someone like… Read more »

BigSombrero

My favorite Buc for the last 7 years has been #54. I am stunned every year when he turns in another massive season, only to be snubbed by All-Pro and Pro Bowl voters. I love hearing the Bucs finally plan on using him like Schiano did. That was a great season for David, even with the few boneheaded mistakes(DONT HIT GENO GOING OUT OF BOUNDS!!)

Hopefully it leads to some really big plays, big wins and some well deserved recognition finally!

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BucFan circa76

Good feedback on penalty history of Suh/McCoy by BigSombrero. Surprisingly close, as were many of their defensive stats. That’s where the similarities end. Suh will not be apologizing to QB’s and/or helping them up after a knockdown, to me that’s a big plus in the Suh column. I like the one year deal, he will be motivated to earn another big contract in 2020, either here or elsewhere. I applauded Licht for locking McCoy up in 2014 for a long term deal, but I wonder if GMC would have had a more productive 2018 season if it had been a… Read more »

buclover1988

9.5 million is a lot better than paying 13.5 million. A 4 million dollar difference. I’ll take my chances with suh. No risk it no biscuit right? As for David, the pro bowl should no longer be an indicator of hof status, especially for someone whose the nfls most snubed player. David still looks like the player Tampa drafted out of Nebraska and plays at an all Pro level week in and week ouy, season after season. When it’s all said and done, I expect David to be in our ring of fame and if he continues to produce the… Read more »

scubog

The logic of Buc Ass Bob is truly comical. “Why no one else wanted him (Suh)?” Really? I suppose the same reasoning could be applied to all potential draftees who were still available. Why did no one select Sapp or Brooks in 1995 until those Bucs did? When GMC ultimately signs with another team, I suppose their fans could dispel the acquisition and ask why even the lowly Bucs didn’t want him. I suppose if you are thinking about marrying a woman, to whom no one else proposed, you should reconsider. Perhaps this has been in the works for longer… Read more »

nitey

While changing out McCoy for Suh appears to be a money move, I think that McCoy just didn’t fit into what Bowles wants to do on defense. Suh is very good against the run and I believe that Vea also showed similar traits late last season. To me, it looks like we are going to play to contain the run and let the linebackers be the disruptive players off the edge and via the blitz. In this scheme, McCoy, whom doesn’t play the run as good as Suh and is more of a pass rusher isn’t as good a fit.… Read more »

BUC-ASS-BOB

I can’t help it I have to ask this question are 31 NFL teams wrong and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the pewter boys correct no other team was interested at any price in Bruce Arians or Suh Tampa Bay Buccaneers don’t want Gerald McCoy but 10 other teams are jumping at him have to ask who’s right and who’s wrong 31 NFL teams for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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plopes808

I’m seriously questioning that there are 10 teams out there that even have the cap space to pickup GMC. 10 “interested” teams doesn’t necessarily mean there are 10 realistic landing spots.

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Buc stops here

“Of the two, Suh has always had the upper hand with the exception of one more Pro Bowl berth by McCoy during their NFL careers.” Uh, no. Last two years, who had more sacks, McCoy or Suh? You might be surprised to learn that McCoy had more. McCoy was credited with 6 each year, Suh, 4.5 each year. QB Hits? Suh had 19 last year and 12 the year before, McCoy had 24 and 21. They are both very good players, and both are in decline now and believe it or not, McCoy the last two years has outperformed Suh… Read more »

Buc stops here

Who is valued more in the NFL, McCoy or Suh? The answer is in the money – McCoy. The offers are already coming in for McCoy and are up to $11 million already. I really hope the Bucs know what they are doing going for primarily a run stopper now rather than a pass rusher.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-gerald-mccoy-drawing-interest-from-10-teams-offers-reaching-dollar11-million-a-year/ar-AABQbzs?li=BBnb7Kz

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chetthevette

2010 was really he first year that I followed the draft. That is directly related to Suh. I was definitely bummed that the lions snagged him.
That being said, he should be an upgrade over GMAC.
It will be an interesting season.
GO BUCS

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BucRy

Honestly, this far into the offseason with training camp just around the corner this move is worth the risk. he’s only on for a one year deal so might as well just use up some of that freed up cap space for a guy like him. It’s not like there were other big names left out on the street..if it doesn’t work out, we just simply move on.

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BucRy

We also don’t really know how McCoy would fair playing in the 3-4..Suh had that experience under his belt.

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bucballer

Hey Scott… “Suh plays like an island warrior”. How does an “island warrior” play? You mean like a savage? Poor analogy! You can/should do better than that Scott! I’m just saying…

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Captain Sly

I am pretty sure he was using that illustration to describe Vita Vea from the Samoan Islands

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a-bomb

The value here (aside from the actual money) is the versatility Suh brings. GMC really does one thing- he is a penetrating 3 tech. Suh can play multiple positions on the line and Bowles system is all about multiples- multiple fronts and multiple positions. The main problem with the system of Mike Smith (and Lovie Smith for that matter) is that the were amazingly predictable. In this league, if you don’t make the QB take an extra half second or so to process what you are doing you are going to be toast. This is what we saw the last… Read more »

Buc-Up

Yes, Lee Roy Selmon helped players up after plays like McCoy did. The difference was that Lee Roy was more tenacious when the ball was snapped. He fought through double and triple teams to get to the person with the ball. He was a gentle giant that struck fear into his opponents! I don’t remember Lee Roy going stat less in a game like McCoy has done numerous times. McCoy does deserve to eventually be in the Ring of Honor, but not before Hardy Nickerson, Simeon Rice and James Wilder. Personally, I don’t think the Bucs should reserve numbers unless… Read more »

Spitfire

Bucballer, taking the term Island Warrior and relating it to being a “Savage” is you’re prejudice not Scott’s or anyone else’s. When I think of an “Island Warrior” I think of a proud fighter that gives everything he has to fight for his people and his home.

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plopes808

As an “island warrior” myself I just wanted to say that I took no offense to the reference SR lol. I interpreted the reference as much more “Max Holloway” than “savage.”

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pinkstob

I don’t think Suh moves the needle in terms of wins and losses for this team so I don’t care much about switching McCoy for Suh. I do believe we overpaid for Suh as I said before he was only worth $7 million. As a reminder, I said we overpaid for Grimes last year also by several million dollars as soon as the deal was made.

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EastEndBoy

meh

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bucballer

Barring an injury… Suh will help this Buc defense! He adds some nastiness which had been lacking! Go Bucs!

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Captain Sly

As far as the W-L I’m going to agree with you there . Their career #’s are crazy similar and so its a matter of what flavor you crave Vanilla or Chocolate, but you’re still getting the same amount Ice Cream.

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plopes808

I agree somewhat…but what people are missing is that we have a new DC with a new scheme. Bowles’ scheme calls for run stopping D-Linemen rather than pass rushers. Pass rush come more from the blitz so in that sense, Suh is a better fit. When you factor in the attitude he brings, I’d say he’s a much better fit. Of course this is with the assumption that BA can reign him in just enough to avoid stupid penalties. I believe he will, or Suh will not be on the field. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet.… Read more »

cgmaster27

Pink my dude, I think everyone in the room knew we overepaid for Grimes last year. That wasnt hard to see.

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BucFan circa76

Brent Grimes who?? He’s dead to me, and oh btw, still a free agent……imagine that?

Scott, thanks for the comparison on David’s first 7 seasons with those of HOF Derrick Brooks (my all-time fave Buc). Brooks became a HOF LB starting with his 8th season and onward. Hopefully David will get some playoff exposure and flourish in Bowles new aggressive defense scheme.

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owlykat

You will remember last year teams were aiming their RBs right at the hole where McCoy ran through trying to get to the QB and oblivious of the RB with the ball. It was rediculous. Suh will rush the QB with less of a get off and will take down the RB. Once we stop the run we will turn our rushing DEs and OLBs after the QB or use an occasional creative blitz. We will be able to ignore the handoff fakes to the RB.

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Ron Potter

Maybe it’s a little too easy to say that Suh “brings a needed edge” in light of McCoy’s lack of “edge” because of their personality differences but I do agree with it to an extent. I find McCoy to be lacking in his “desire to win” or in contrast, his “hate for losing” while here. This year was the first year GMC has attended a Super Bowl game and it’s being reported that McCoy is expressing a renewed vigor in order to get to that big game. Where was that McCoy while here? Why didn’t he ever attend a Super… Read more »

Bucnut2

The Suh Mccoy swap is a non event. The issue is that this team has little talent and is in salary cap hell. How anyone can defend Licht is totally beyond me. His drafts have sucked and his free agent moves are worse. Even a very talented coaching staff will not be able to turn this bunch of misfits into winners. 6 wins at best, tons of excuses about the schedule, a high draft pick and (hopefully) a new GM await us in 8 months. JW is part of the problem and needs to go. My preference is this; let’s… Read more »

BUC-ASS-BOB

Bucanut got it 100% correct!!!!!

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Charlie

That video interview with Shelly is absolutely amazing, he’s gonna fight right into the community and we’re happy to have him! Go Bucs!

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BucFan circa76

Bucnut must be the illegitimate son of BucAssSlob (or perhaps husband of….). I thought for a moment it was the same person, but only one writes in English and with punctuation. That said, we are not in salary cap hell, and even if we were, Licht is not our “capologist”, Mike Greenburg is. The fact we could release GMC with 3 years remaining on his contract WITH NO DEAD CAP PENALTY is a testament to Greenburg for sure. Let’s not forget that we also cut Vinny Curry and traded DeSean Jackson WITH NO CAP PENALTY. Seems to me that our… Read more »

matador

When paying $10 mill for a 32 yr old DL with character issues instead of drafting a top 5 DL talent in a loaded draft goes down as a master stroke, it shows how much damage Licht’s cumulative mistakes have done. There is no logic based argument supporting his draft and FA record the last 6 yrs.

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BucFan circa76

Character issues?? Perhaps in his early days as a pro with the Lions…? At any rate, its been exhausting reading &/or hearing self-proclaimed “Bucs fans” dissect any & all negative aspects of McCoy’s nine-year career here. The most common was that he was too “soft”, too “nice” after plays were over, etc. Suh will never be accused of either, take it to the bank. The Bucs have hired the anti-GMC in Suh…..as long as he has McCoy’s work ethic and doesnt earn any game suspensions for stupidity, most fans will accept Suh’s “character issues” much like they did for Sapp,… Read more »