It’s time for PewterReport.com’s 2-Point Conversion post-game column, which features two statements, two questions and two predictions based on the latest Bucs game. On Sunday, Tampa Bay had to battle the Saints – and the refs – in New Orleans and came out on the losing end, 31-24. Pro Bowl wide receiver Mike Evans and the NFL’s leading sacker, Shaquil Barrett, were no-shows and Tampa Bay’s defense couldn’t stop Teddy Bridgewater and Michael Thomas, as the Bucs fell to 2-3 while the Saints improved to 3-1.

2 BIG STATEMENTS

STATEMENT 1: Refs Screw Bucs In Loss To Saints

It’s one thing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to have to beat the New Orleans Saints on the road in a pivotal NFC South game. It’s another thing for the Bucs to have to beat the referees, too.

On Sunday, the refs – with some horrible calls – and the Saints ganged up to beat the Bucs.

In the first half, the officials blew an obvious recovery by tight end Antony Auclair on a fumble on a Saints punt return. The officials said there was not a clear recovery, but replays showed that Auclair was not only the first player to pounce on the loose ball, but also the one to emerge from the pile with it. Bruce Arians challenged the play, but the call on the field stood, which upset the Bucs head coach.

“Didn’t it? That looked pretty good, didn’t it?” Arians said of Auclair’s fumble recovery. “[The ref said] it was a non-clear recovery. Baffling.

Bucs TE Antony Auclair
Bucs TE Antony Auclair – Photo by: Getty Images

“They blew the call. It’s that simple. It was a clear recovery on a fumble. Luckily, we get a ball that bounced and get an interception and score off it, but he came running out of the pile with it – and they knew it before they went to replay. It’s all coming from New York.”

Later in the first half, Bucs cornerback Carlton Davis hit Saints tight end Jared Cook in the helmet and was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct and ejected from the game. Fox sideline reporter Lara Okmin reported after halftime that “an irate Arians” told her that the ejection of cornerback Carlton Davis was “the stupidest call I’ve ever seen.”

That was a big blow because Davis is regarded as the Bucs’ best cover cornerback, and Tampa Bay’s secondary was struggling against the pass once again, especially cornerback Vernon Hargreaves III. It looked like there was obvious pass interference on Michael Thomas early in the second half. Thomas clearly pushed off and recorded a 42-yard catch. Hargreaves even threw his arms up in disbelief as Thomas used the push off to gain separation.

“If that’s not [offensive pass interference], I don’t know what the hell is – a two-hand shove that knocked the guy backwards,” Arians said. “[The ref] said they were hand-fighting. Yeah, they were hand-fighting, but that doesn’t knock a guy backwards.”

Two plays later, Ted Ginn, Jr. caught a 33-yard touchdown pass to put the Saints up 24-10. Arians challenged that call and was incensed.

So was I, as I tweeted out the following on the @PewterReport Twitter account.

And when the refs do suck, it’s the media’s job to call them and the NFL out for it. It’s one thing for officials to miss a call during the action. It’s another thing for the refs to blow the call twice after an instant replay review.

Later in the third quarter, the refs called a very rare defensive holding call on nose tackle Vita Vea, and then two plays later missed a very obvious holding call on tight end Josh Hill, who held Carl Nassib and prevented him from getting a sack.

The refs weren’t the only reason why the Bucs lost. Tampa Bay’s offense was pathetic, especially the offensive line, which gave up six sacks and only generated 252 yards of total offense. The Bucs’ pass rush was virtually nonexistent and Tampa Bay’s secondary got shredded for a third straight week.

But the Saints getting some blatantly biased calls from the refs certainly didn’t help.

STATEMENT 2: Bridgewater, Thomas Torch Bucs’ Young Secondary

Once again, Thomas had his way with Tampa Bay’s young defensive backs. The Bucs secondary, which is full of young first-and second-year players, has been torched all season, especially the last two games as Daniel Jones and Jared Goff combined for 853 yards and four touchdown passes.

Teddy Bridgewater had struggled throwing the ball while filling in for the injured Drew Brees, but found the Bucs’ secondary to be quite the tonic. Bridgewater completed 26-of-34 passes for 314 yards with four touchdowns and one interception.

Not only did he do a good job of avoiding sacks by scrambling, Bridgewater made plays downfield, hitting three different Saints with touchdown passes. The fact that the Bucs lost Davis, their top cover corner, prior to halftime didn’t help.

“I’ve always loved Teddy,” Arians said. “He’s a good, solid player. He should be a starter in the league.”

Saints WR Michael Thomas
Saints WR Michael Thomas – Photo by: Getty Images

Thomas was Bridgewater’s primary target on Sunday, and responded in usual fashion. Thomas had 11 catches for 182 yards and two touchdowns, often winning his one-on-one match-ups with Hargreaves to thrash the Bucs secondary.

“It was both man and zone, and we just did a poor, poor job of covering him,” Arians said. “He’s a big, physical guy, and we know he’s going to push off. You just have to get more physical than him.”

In his post-game press conference, Arians called out the play of the Bucs’ secondary.

“We weren’t [physical enough] today,” Arians said. “We have been at times, but we still are too soft. We’re too soft, and I don’t know any other way to put it. When we’re in press-man, we have some guys that are getting after it, and we have some guys that are just soft.”

2 PROBING QUESTIONS

QUESTION 1: Where Was Evans?

Bucs Pro Bowl wide receiver Mike Evans was a no-show in New Orleans. The last time Evans was held without a catch it came in New Orleans on September 20, 2015 against star cornerback Marcus Lattimore. Since that day Evans had a streak of 51 consecutive games with at least one catch.

That was until Sunday when Lattimore blanketed Evans and shut him out.

“It was a poor job on our part,” Arians said. “We moved him around – not enough. They were rolling to him and doing things that we’ve seen, but we should’ve gotten a ball to him at the end. Twice he was open and we got sacked. We have to do a better job of moving him around.”

Bucs WR Mike Evans
Bucs WR Mike Evans – Photo by: Getty Images

Not helping matters was the fact that Bucs quarterback Jameis Winston was under siege all day as the Saints defensive front whipped the Bucs offensive line. Winston, who completed 15-of-27 passes for 204 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions, didn’t play well and was sacked six times, including four times in the second half. Half of Winston’s sacks came on first down, which set up second-and-long situations.

“Our inability to get off the field and our inability to stay on the field,” Arians said, when asked what the reasons were for Tampa Bay’s loss. “With better pass protection, we can get into more manageable third downs. For us, offensively, [we need] to get into more manageable third downs. Defensively, we just have to make plays and we didn’t make them.”

While Evans was shut down, Chris Godwin had a solid performance with seven catches for 125 yards and two touchdowns. However, Godwin had just one catch in the first half – a 26-yard score – and most of his production came in the second half when the Bucs were trying to play catch up.

QUESTION 2: What Happened To Tampa Bay’s Pass Rush?

It didn’t make it to New Orleans. Bucs outside linebacker Shaq Barrett started off the first quarter of the 2019 season with an NFL-record nine sacks to lead the league. Barrett had notched at least one sack in each of the first four games, but on Sunday he was a non-factor for the first time this year.

Saints offensive tackles Terron Armstead and Ryan Ramczyk held Barrett – and the rest of the Bucs – sackless against Bridgewater.

Saints QB Teddy Bridgewater and Bucs OLB Shaq Barrett
Saints QB Teddy Bridgewater and Bucs OLB Shaq Barrett – Photo by: Getty Images

“We were close a couple of times and we let him get out,” Arians said.

Bridgewater was able to get back to the line of scrimmage or gain a yard several times, eluding Carl Nassib, Anthony Nelson, Vita Vea and Ndamukong Suh, who all came close to sack opportunities. Bridgewater had five carries for seven yards in the game.

The Bucs play Carolina next week in London, and Barrett did have a three-sack game against the Panthers – although that was against Cam Newton. Carolina’s backup quarterback, Kyle Allen, has been filing in for Newton since Week 3 and was sacked three times on Sunday by Jacksonville.

2 BOLD PREDICTIONS

PREDICTION 1: The Bucs Lost The NFC South Today

Tampa Bay fell to 2-3 on the season after a 31-24 loss in New Orleans and is now 1-1 in the NFC South, while the Saints improved to 4-1 and 1-0 in the division. In order for the Bucs to make the playoffs they’ll have to catch up to New Orleans, and that means next week’s game is a must-win against 3-2 Carolina next Sunday in London.

The Bucs are now two games back from the Saints and Bridgewater improves to 3-0 as a starter while Brees is out. There are still 11 games left in the season, but Tampa Bay has yet to show it can win back-to-back games. Until that happens, it’s unreasonable to think that the Bucs can win the division. Make the playoffs as a wild card? Perhaps. But the NFC South still appears to be the Saints to lose right now.

PREDICTION 2: Wells Will Replace Dotson At RT

The Bucs replaced starting right tackle Demar Dotson in the fourth quarter with reserve Josh Wells, and that move could become permanent as Dotson pulled a hamstring against the Saints. Wells, a fifth-year veteran, was signed on September 9 after the team cut backup Caleb Benenoch.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston and RT Demar Dotson
Bucs QB Jameis Winston and RT Demar Dotson – Photo by: Getty Images

Dotson, who has been battling a calf injury the last two weeks, is in his final year in Tampa Bay and turns 34 next week. The Bucs have to move on from Dotson at some time, and this could be Wells’ chance to re-emerge as a starting tackle in the league. The 6-foot-6, 306-pound Wells has nine starts in 34 games in four seasons with Jacksonville. Dotson likely won’t be able to start next Sunday in London against Carolina, so Wells should get his first opportunity with the starters in Tampa Bay.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

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  1. Always something with those Saints. But bucs screwed the bucs..

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  2. I hate when my Bucs play the Saints, its never a fair game and always leans in towards N.Os. favor. Even in TB!

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  3. fire em all

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  4. SR- we need to stop blaming the refs. Bottom line- we got our ass kicked on both sides of the ball. Defense was awful and our franchise QB can’t get rid of he ball on time. It’s likely we are here in two weeks talking about a 2-5 football team. Let’s just admit, we are not a good team. In my opinion, we should blow this up and start over. Miami is smart. NO WAY we should sign Winston, bottom line, he is a loser. Let’s just understand we are who we are. And who we are is not good.

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    • To be fair, I can’t recall many PR columns that complain about the officiating. I also can’t recall our head coach commenting on bad calls in post game interviews. Pointing out bad calls in this game seems perfectly reasonable to me.
      And Scott certainly does not hold back any criticism about the team in today’s column.

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    • Weird how you’ve been MIA until this week like the usual troll you are. Makes sense to blame Winston for this, you do on every post. I suppose it’s his fault the oline sucks, that the CB’s are Swiss cheese, or that we got no pressure on Bridgewater. Winston didn’t have a great game but spare us with your lame attempt at putting all this on the QB

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      • Please go watch more NFL football and listen to someone outside of Tampa. Most of the rest of the football world knows we have wasted 5 years on Winston because, Licht can’t admit he made a huge mistake. Winston is a coach killer and he’s about ready too kill his second staff.

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    • It’s 100% fair to call out the refs for not just blowing calls, but obvious ones. Both the Auclair fumble recovery and the OPI on Thomas shouldn’t have even needed to be challenged to get correct, instead of still gotten wrong after review. Getting those calls right could easily be the difference in having a chance to steal a win in a game where we definitely didn’t play our best.

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      • I would remind everyone that big receivers including Mike evans reagualry get way with what Thomas did.

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        • Apparently YOU need to watch more football because Evans gets called for PI every damn times he puts his hand on a DB. You’ve obviously missed most of those

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    • Go to another team then. lol

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  5. To be a franchise QB you have to play good week after week, Last week he looked like a star QB which he has done several times in the last 5 years, but it takes having great games 10 -11 times a year to make playoffs,
    and when the playoffs come a QB has to step up another notch.
    And today he was sub-par which he also does several times a year.
    Again watch the game film Veta Vea is being blown out of his lane over and over again
    today Alvan Kamara went right down the middle of line untouched until he was well beyond line several times
    and it looks like Bowles yanked Veta for at least quarter and then played him as relief rest of game.
    Veta Vea doubles his 2019 stats today with 1 tackle he now has 2 for the year 0 sacks.

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    • Kamara had 16 rushes for 61 yards!! That’s 3.9 yards genius. And 31 of those yards were to the outside. I’m not a name caller but you truly are an idiot. I watched the game and these are the exact stats so you clearly have no idea what your talking about. Troll on bob, troll on

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      • Chef, please explain the 2 tackles 0 sacks for 4 games, please!
        Stats show several other inside tackles with 10 plus tackles and multiple sacks.
        Stop calling names to everyone with eyes open and explain the 2 tackles for 4 games.
        Bottom line they are 2-3 a win happens when time runs out and Bucs have more points on the board than the other team.
        A lose is the opposite
        And this team year after year has more losses than wins.
        Excuses are common on this site, however, some of us are getting tired of the losses

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        • I’m tired of the losses too, but when you literally make up stats, you need to be called on it. You said they ran up the middle at VVea all game which they clearly didn’t do. That’s a fact. That was your whole point to your comment and it’s just not true. My eyes are open to seeing that chief.

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          • Chefboho, he’s an Idiot. Don’t waste your time trying to explain something to him. He needs to find another team.

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        • Bye DumbAssBob, go to another team!!! Idiot.

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          • He’s a Broncos guy but that’s been going so well over in Denver lol.

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        • Amazing how Bob has been invisible for the last few weeks only to show up now. Is Denver that bad for you now?

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        • I’m with you BAB. EXCUSES. That’s out Bucs middle name! Game after game..Yr after yr. Ok so the refs missed a couple of calls in favor of the Saints. We had our chances. We were simply outplayed and outcoached by a better organization..Period. So what will it be in England if we lose? Jet lag?! To reach 8-8 this yr our Bucs MUST win in England. NO EXCUSES please!

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    • DumbAssBob, there you are!!! So with Winston under duress virtually all game long and the receivers couldn’t create separation it’s on him? Your a Russian spy aren’t you oh wait this weeks flavor is Ukraine my bad.

      You seriously need to just leave this thread. Your knowledge of football is embarrassing. Like I said last week which I’m sure you missed, I’ll say it again, “I sure hope your not a Father” your sense of reality is way out there. Idiot

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    • @chefboho Yeah, I think that is a fair critique of Winston’s NFL Career. I thin he would even say you were right.

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    • BAB- you are soo right and will be killed on this site.

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  6. Thank you, Scott, for speaking out about the refs. Not sure the Saints are going to get that call against them anytime soon and that should concern everyone. The city of New Orleans and Saints ownership threatened a lawsuit against the NFL which established this red flag challenge of pass interference. So they literally invented the rule. Really need our ownership and city to speak up NOW and not wait for a high leverage, high stakes game for this to be an issue.

    It’s a sad indictment of humanity to wait for a high leverage-high stakes game to happen to complain about this. Need to stand for what’s right before you start losing your BIG money on mybookie.com! Have we forgotten to stand for what’s right when there’s no money involved? The New Orleans fanbase did and got a new rule invented for them and that averted the storm for now. That avoided the BIG lawsuit.

    I see the potential of the NFL crumbling from a lawsuit that exposes the fraudulent nature of their product because people don’t address the issues till they’re about to lose their money. So sad. Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil. So sad people only love what is right until they’re about to lose money nowadays. THAT WAS AN OBVIOUS PASS INTERFERENCE ON MICHAEL THOMAS TODAY. Sports used to teach me about good teamwork. Nowadays it teaches me how the love of money has infected humanity. So go ahead and criticize those millionaire CEOs, the Glazers for being cheap and greedy, the players for driving up in bank trucks… but we’re all guilty of the same thing. The love of money. Our potential for evil is so awful. Think I’m going to go throwup.

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  7. The truth is, they’re a better team. We didn’t lose because of bad calls. We lost because they played better. We couldn’t to Teddy they sacked JW six times. Our receivers couldn’t get open, there’s could. We couldn’t cover, they could. They’re better. More talented, better coached. I would say to Scott it wasn’t just the young DB’s who struggled with Thomas, it was the vet VH-0.

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    • Only a portion of the truth, suferdudes. The officiating is also a definite factor in today’s loss. The Saints, who lost to the Rams, and the Rams, who lost to the Bucs, just beat us. That parity can’t merely and casually be cloaked in a “any given Sunday” narrative and be dismissed as such. Right now, the parity has a lot to do with the interpretation of NFL rules and how those rules are being enforced on the field. We have a young secondary trying to learn the game and you can’t learn anything if rules aren’t enforced correctly or being enforced so subjectively. That Michael Thomas play was obvious pass interference and ejecting Carlton Davis while not ejecting Malcolm Brown for his hit on Jack Cichy last week is a detriment to teaching a young secondary, or any young football player for that matter, how to play football.

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    • Spot on surferdudes

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    • I agree 100%. Saints have the more talented OL/DL. Trenches matter and this is where the Bucs must keep on investing moving forward.

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      • If you watched the San Fran/Cleveland game last night, you saw what a team could do when you build from the trenches out. Not only is San Fran front four amazing, they had 2 running backs with over 100 yds each last night. John Lynch gets it while we still draft nothing but DB’s and add no DL nor OL depth. Licht is a HUGE problem that needs to go. I can still not fathom why he was given an extension when he has proven nothing in the 5 plus years he has been here.

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  8. I couldn’t agree more with statement 1 more Scott. This was one the poorest called games I ever scene in a long time and there have been some bad ones. I also agree it wasn’t the only reason we lost by long shot.

    Also moving forward I expect that same explanation to be applied to every turnover that results in a scrum.

    I’ve cross the Howard Franklin bridge leaving Tampa in less 90 seconds, not even exaggerating and while I wasn’t caught that time, I did get a ticket for 125mph that I framed, that was less of crime than that call. Hell the judge knocking the 125 ticket, down to improper driving was less break than that call was for the Saints.

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  9. Weve held everyone accountable but the right person, Licht. These players are NOT good enough. There’s no lockdown corner hiding inside Vermont Hargreaves lol. The defense wasn’t just poorly coached, they were poor selections in the first place. The media must stop mixing up his effort and personality with his results. A GM should be complemented for their on field product not glowing personality and effort. He’s assembled guys like him, plenty nice but super unproductive at their actual job. Vita can stop the run well but our division passes, VHIII was drafted in the 1st and can’t match up with a single #1 WR in our division, who knows what devin white can do but I doubt it’s drastically better than what Minter is doing. Just one blunder after another and yet we wonder why the results don’t change. Same chef same results.

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    • Well said

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  10. We need to bring in a new CB, there is only so much you can do as a DC without 1 decent CB. If I’m Jason Licht I do something smart (for once) and try to swing a trade for either Patrick Peterson or Jalen Ramsey. I’m fine either, and at this point I’d be fine giving a king’s ransom to do so. Almost 1500 passing yards in 4 weeks is ridiculous, and at a certain point you have to prove that you’re being proactive in trying to fix an obvious problem.

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  11. Please stop blaming the refs.

    1) the Davis ejection was such an easy call, it was the textbook example of targeting. I don’t what Arians is saying “worst call ever”?????

    2) yes Auclair recovered the fumble, but as it turns out we got a turnover a couple plays later in largely the same field position anyway. The poor call did not cost us anything.

    3) yes Thomas pushes off, but does anyone believe they wouldn’t have just torched us on the next play…we weren’t exactly playing stout defense today.

    So, yes there were some calls that went against us, welcome to sports, but no game defining call. We lost this one all by ourselves on the OLine and in the secondary.

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    • You don’t think the way a ref calls a game would impact VH3 to decide whether to play softer coverage or not? Or affect Mike Edwards to step out of Michael Thomas’s way on the way to the end zone? Or was that Cook on that play….can’t remember.

      I don’t read a “blame the refs” tone. I think it’s responsible journalism to headline it as a big factor. Especially when the Michael Thomas PI call carries so much weight. The red flag for PI was invented in large part by the Saints and has nothing to do with making the game better or the integrity of football. The call was established in large part due to the city of New Orleans and Saints ownership threatening to sue the NFL. Yeah, the refs blew a call in that championship game but now we have a rule based on a blown call where the NFL obviously acknowledges that refs are, in fact, worthy of total blame in some cases.

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      • Are you trying to claim that our secondary looked gawd awful again this week because they were just playing soft to avoid the possibility of getting flagged?

        Not the game I watched.

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        • It’s a good time to complain about the officiating but I’m not saying what you’re saying for sure.

          I didn’t complain about officiating in the first loss. No way you should expect to win when Winston gave up two pick 6s. I didn’t complain about the officiating for our second loss. We definitely lost that game to the Giants.

          I personally feel the officiating was a big factor in today’s loss but definitely falling short of what you’re saying I’m saying. I’m not sure who BA’s “soft” comments were directed at, but if it’s VH3, then I’m ok with that. He’s the vet of the team and aside from the first two games of the season, he has been nonexistent. Not sure why that is. But to place the whole blame on the secondary isn’t right if that’s what you’re thinking. The officiating was bad. Barrett and the pass rush overall was nonexistent. And Leftwich’s play-calling was a bit suspect to me. Those would be the three main things to me that hurt us today.

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          • I meant “vet of the secondary” about VH3, not “vet of the team.”

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    • What are you talking about the poor calls did not cost us? It cost us time outs. It cost us field position and a time out in the case of Thomas PI. Who is the say the bucs don’t make them punt? Giving up a 50 yard play is a big deal. Sorry you missed that.

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  12. Davis ejection was bush league IMO.

    With that said I refuse to blame the refs for this game. Bucs played sloppy as a team with the exception of a few players.

    Saints lines played better than the Bucs lines and that was the difference in the game!

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  13. DumbAssBob is a troll pure and simple. It would really be nice if PR banned him forever.
    Last week we didn’t get one post from the jerk.
    BTW, did Leftwich put our TE’s on a couple of milk cartons.

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    • What makes me laugh is the calls already saying Leftwhich should be a head Coach in this league!!!!! Really? Already?

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  14. It might take BA a whole season to coach the old Bucs out of these guys.

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  15. It was text book targeting. That was the right call. If that was one of our guy’s taking that crown to the face, and wasn’t called you’d be screaming about that. There’s no shame admitting they are better then us. They should’ve been in the SB last year, and might be this year. We’re not as good as them, they beat us, not the refs.

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  16. Did SR watch any other games today? Half the teams that played feel like the refs screwed them. Whining about refs is what losers do. Amateur hour.

    Think about the teams we’ve played. Panthers with Cam injured. Rookie QB from Duke in his first start. The Saints without Brees. Garoppolo coming off the knee injury. Yet we’re 2-3. We own that.

    Over the course of a season the calls average out, our record will be determined by how well Licht’s roster executes BA & Co’s plays over the next 11 games. Based on the first five games it’s anybody’s guess.

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    • Watched the Packers vs Cowboys game and the Cowboys challenged a PI call also. And also, it was NOT overturned and should have been. I’m not seeing this red flag PI rule as a legitimate rule. It’s not working. They’re not reversing the calls on the field when they need to be reversed. At the end of the day, it probably shouldn’t be a rule. It was a rule they made that works more like a lawsuit settlement to placate the city of New Orleans and the Saints ownership.

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  17. Luckily, this is just one game. On to London! Go Bucs!!
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  18. The Buccaneers are a 6-8 win non–playoff team, but there are signs of improvement. The running game has been respectable so far. The run defense is improved. Winston is not a turnover machine. Their past defense is still horrible, but they beat the Rams on the road. Maybe a year away from a playoff contender.

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  19. Will the league approach the refs and place them accountable? I bet if they got fined for bad calls the game would change drastically!

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  20. So….. at the end of the day.
    1. Saints are just a better team than we are, in the trenches in in the secondary. Their guys were getting open, ours were not.
    2. Officiating was horrible. Not whining to call it out. Both challenges should have gone our way, first on the filed in live action, but then in “New York” the bad calls are upheld when we’re all watching the same replays. How does that happen.

    Again, the Saints beat us because they are the better team. Predictions we were gonna win this one were being fed by the Rams win and why not, we’re entitled to feeling good about our team once in a while.

    At the same time the NFL has made officiating a far bigger component of the game. Camera’s are everywhere now and replays take more time than live action. It feels like a flag could be thrown on every play. As a fan the more of this you watch the more subjective the calls seem to get. It’s hard enough watching your team lose, but with the increasing inconsistency of the officiating, it’s hard not to feel like we’re getting screwed.

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    • Could not agree any more. Perfect comment Dman. Refs are single handedly killing the NFL for me.

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  21. That was one of worst O line performances I’ve seen in a while. Dotson wasn’t good before the calf injury. Yes the refs screwed them big time. The young secondary will take time or they will have to change personal.

    Winston started off with some bad throws was too amped up again. Hadn’t seen that this year. Big game though nd Saints are likely super bowl team and we obviously are not. Media darling Dallas could only muster 10 points on them too….

    Blame Winston all you want but no QB can have success or good game overall in that situation with guys in face all game.

    I find it hilarious the troll dumbass suck-ass___ doesnt post for week after a good road win (how nice was that?) but soon as loss on road to super bowl team it’s time to start the stupid horse shit again. Move on to another team moron! O line was hot garbage but it’s all Winston and Veas fault. Lol. Teams still can’t run because of Suh and Vea the O line, secondary, and another pass rusher is the issue you dumb shit.

    This crap game is over and Bucs aren’t ready to compete for NFC South title. Did anyone think they were ready to knock Saints off in Arians first year? The poll showed 8-8 was what most people thought and I agree. I actually predicted 9-7 give or take 2 based on injuries luck etc. they have right coaches. Still think it’s around 8-8. That’s a huge improvement with this schedule.

    On to Panthers be nice to sweep them.

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  22. As usual, Bucs fans commenting here at PR are just like the Bucs. Up and down, week to week. Last week the usual suspects were all fitting out Winston for his yellow jacket and projecting Super Bowl glory for the team. This week they’re grousing about the worst offensive line in history, the worst defense in history .. but no matter what, Jameis Winston is the Immaculate Quarterback who is never to blame for anything.

    Whenever Winston has a very good game, these same “fans” engage in Winston-shaming of those who dare to acknowledge that Winston is overall a very uneven, mediocre quarterback, all base on one game performance .. then in all the other games – abut 75-80% of them – where Winston either plays mediocrely – as he did yesterday – or horribly as he did in Week 1, clearly and nearly singlehandedly causing the loss, they revert to “it’s all of the offensive line” and “it’s all on the defense” and “its all on the refs”. blah blah blah.

    The realists here like me and a few others simply and truthfully acknowledge that:

    1) The Bucs are still not good

    2) This was supposed to be Licht’s last chance to prove that he signs championship quality players and if they don’t perform it’s all the coach’s fault. And he has failed yet again, as he does every single season.

    3) Winston is a poor franchise quarterback, who is on average and at best mediocre. He puts up about on very good game out of every four to six games .. one horrible no good toilet bowl game every four to six games .. and all the others are “meh” mediocre games. After five seasons, that is what you get with Winston. That is all the Bucs will ever get with Winston.

    4) Arians is probably OK as a coach, but he’s no Bill Belichick, or Pete Carroll. He is not the “one final piece” of Licht’s ingenious master plan to rebuild the Bucs .. the Bucs still lack championship quality players at way too many positions (we have some, but every NFL team has at least some – the good teams have many such players, and competent GMs.

    And Chefboho- you’re an asshole, purely and simply. So just STFU.

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    • I don’t always seem to agree with what you write Naplesfan, but I too find myself trying to be a realist with this team week-to-week….and accordingly think your points are right on.

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    • Why don’t you shut the fuck up troll. Everyone knows your distaste for Winston. You bring nothing to any debate but empty words. I know your lover BAB got called out by me for stating blatant lies about the fame. I didn’t know he needed his girlfriend to come to the rescue. Go hide in a hole you clown.

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      • You’re the asshole troll here, so no, you STFU. You’re an obnoxious prick.

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    • I love how you think youre smarterbthan other posters. Yiure an asshat, nothing more naples. And stop telling people to stfu keyboard warrior. Toure abiut as intimidating as a kitten. And jameis lastv11 games, since youre a goon are as follows 3600 yards, 24tds 9 picks. Hes going to get signed again if he keeos playing like this and i cant wait to watch your head explode. And if you dont like it, go find the closest bridge and jump off chump.

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      • I acknowledge that you are a totally compromised Winston lover who endlessly makes excuses for your beloved quarterback from your alma mater.

        I simply state facts and make obvious conclusions from them. I never pronounce myself to be smarter than you and many of the other commenters here. I simply call out your complete hypocrisy and excuse making, because that is what you spew.

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        • Stop liking your own posts. You’re coward who talks shit behind a keyboard. That’s all you are.

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    • From all the thumbs down you get it’s obvious everyone else thinks you’re full of shit as well

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  23. Any moron driving 125 mph on a public highway needs to pay full boat on the citation. The judge didn’t do you or he public any favors in reducing the fine as shown by the fact you framed the ticket.
    I would like to thank you though for framing and displaying the ticket though, Now anyone who can add 1 + 1 = 2 will realize what a stupid jerk you are and stay far away from you.
    When you brag about something stupid you have done and then brag about it, it only means one thing.

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  24. Why is everyone freaking out? Is it that big of a surprise that we lost to the Saints? They are a SB caliber team through and through. Bucs are simply not there. Season is still young, the division is still wide open, a lot has improved with this team compared to last season, and some players who we thought were busts are proving to be quality players. Yes this team still needs a lot of work in the trenches and secondary but everything cant be fixed in one offseason. Give it some time people. I know its hard to be positive after a loss to a rival and having a GM that is hard to trust. And I’m not settling for mediocrity, I want this team to be dominant and compete for rings. I just dont think the future of this team all doom and gloom. I see a lot to be positive about looking ahead in not just this season but next season too. To me this team is a hell of a lot better than last season in effort alone.

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    • I am not surprised. I think some lose sight how young this team is (second youngest in the NFL). I will say that the team needs to look sharper by mid season or else Arians is going to start to bench some “starters”.

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      • I agree this team does need to keep improving as the season goes on. Tough schedule, new coaching staff, and young players makes it a challenge compared to an established team so I wouldn’t be surprised to have another losing season this year but that doesn’t mean the team has not improved. If next season this team and staff cant put it together then its time to be seriously worried.

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        • Bucs need to weather the storm of this “schedule” and try to stay close or above .500 as possible. They do that and the rest of the season should be favorable for them as a team.

          Right now the young players are struggling and it is not mid season. But this will pass and they will grow confident with more experience.

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    • I’m not sure everyone is “freaking out”…but a few of us are just trying to point out the obvious with our team (that we are average at best – NOT horrible, but certainly NOT a playoff team), and trying to highlight the incredibly clear reason why we have not moved past being average-at-best for 5 years!!! now….the guy with the keys keeps making mistake after mistake, and getting praised for it (by fans on this site, and by ownership).

      Without giving the entire list of failings (I’ve probably done that on PR before) – which would be very long indeed – I’ll just point out that they seem to come in droves, every year…..and yes it’s very early to make any conclusions here, but wasn’t this an obvious error that any arm-chair GM would have avoided:

      Sean Murphy Bunting selected 39th as our first volley at trying to fix what was one of the worst secondaries in the league last year, after adding no FA corners in the offseason.

      Greedy Williams selected 46th by Cleveland is currently in the running for DROY.

      Who here on PR would have chosen Bunting over Williams?….crickets…

      Now maybe Williams will run into some problems, and maybe Bunting will have the lights go on, as Is aid it’s too early to make conclusions….but these sorts of situations seem to surround Jason Licht far more often than other GMs.

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      • Totally agree. Just think a lot of fans are overreacting. Definitely a lot of blame should rest on Lichts shoulders and I dont get why he or the scouts are not capable of finding a good CB. Like you said, how does he not sign a CB in FA. How does he not draft an Olineman within the first 4 rounds. But like I said if this team and STAFF cant get it together by next season then its truly time to worry and he should be fired if next year is another let down. I still think this is a better team than last years which is not saying much but at least its heading in the right direction.

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  25. As I have been doing now for the last three weeks, here are the positives and negatives I saw this week. It was a mixed bag yet again, but #3 of the negatives is going to be a problem for this team all year:

    Positives
    1) Despite having virtually no time to throw, Winston kept his mistakes to a minimum. One INT called back from delay of game, another because the Saints were called on an obvious penalty. One fumble recovered. Otherwise he played fairly well despite little protection from the New Orleans rush – probably about the worst rush he will experience all year. No one can blame this loss on him, even though haters will try to. He is not the reason why they lost.
    2) Running attack was weak – but it was not worse than the best rushing attack all year – Todd Gurley got 69 yards rushing week 2, Bucs top two backs got 67 combined yards, about the best against the Saints fantastic defense. Running attack for a change again was not the problem, but the offensive line was.
    3) No special teams errors of mention. That was a nice change.

    Negatives
    1) Officiating. Officiating. Officiating. That non-call in the second half was the turning point of the game. The Saints owned a seven-point lead at halftime, then nearly took a step backward early in the third, when Arians justifiably challenged a non-offensive pass interference call on Thomas early in New Orleans’ first drive of the quarter. The officiating crew upheld Thomas’ catch, however, giving the Saints 42 yards, putting Bridgewater and Co. in Bucs territory, and then paving the way for Teddy to hit a wide-open Ted Ginn Jr. on a 33-yard touchdown pass to put the Saints up 24-10 and essentially, the game out of reach.
    2) Coaching. You won’t see this on PewterReport, but Arians went conservative when he could not afford to. Bruce Arians infamously handed the New York Giants a win a few weeks ago, and this week, while he was far from the sole reason Tampa couldn’t steal an NFC South win, he opted to play it safe at several times when aggressiveness may have thrust the Bucs back into the game. That’s not to say Tampa would’ve converted on a fourth-and-short or stopped the Saints from sacking Winston on a first-and-15 pass, but Arians’ decision to punt it away or run it up the gut during those kinds of scenarios arguably hurt his own team’s momentum. I do understand his conservative nature, as that usually wins game – but the problems with our next negative may force him to take chances to overcome it.
    3) The defensive secondary is the worst in the NFL. We can try to sugar coat it with turnovers when they get them, but when they don’t, this defense is toast. Every time this team faces a mobile QB (Giants, Saints) the front defensive line has trouble putting pressure on the QB. When those opposing QBs have time, they pick this secondary apart. Coverage is missed and yes, they lost their top cornerback this game but does anyone truly believe it would have made a substantial difference if he had been available? I don’t believe that for a second. This defense is still very suspect beyond the defensive line and seeing what the Vikings did to the Giants this week – it shows me that the defensive backfield has a long way to go from being the doormat of the NFL.

    Still hope the Bucs can go 8-8 this year, which I said before the season started is probably the best they can do. If the secondary does not improve (and it does not seem likely after 5 games) that may be very hard to achieve. Carolina next week has Kyle Allen who is not that mobile (which helps) but does not make many mistakes (which hurts). If he has time then the secondary will be toast again. The challenge is going to be getting pressure on him so he makes mistakes and the defense can take advantage of that. Without errors on Carolina’s part I see another loss coming.

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    • Well said and agreed on al accounts

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    • I agree on mostly all of that. But to your third negative point… I believe there is still hope and potential. Remember, youngest secondary in the NFL. New Defensive scheme that leaves them on an island, man to man. We have the talent to make it to 9-7 and maybe get a wildcard shot. With each game that goes by, they get more comfortable with the system. Patience grasshopper.

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      • Can I ask where (and how) you are measuring “youngest secondary in the NFL”? I’m not necessarily disagreeing, but I wonder if that’s really true or just something being passed around this site? The Browns, for example, are starting a 22 year old and a 21 year old at their corners. The Saints have a 24 year old, two 23 year olds and a 21 year old starting in their secondary. I haven’t looked up every team, but it does seem that our secondary is not so unusually “young”.

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      • Austin: Hope you are right. There are no signs of it now with the absolutely horrendous beating it is taking every single week – in five weeks besides turnovers it has only stopped teams briefly at all during the game.

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  26. My favorite thing about the game was when Arians challenged the non-call on Offensive Pass Interference and the Crowd booed. F*cking Whiners! It was YOUR crying all spring and summer about ONE BAD CALL that allow coaches to challenge non-calls.

    All I know is that every time I see a WR or a CB push off with arms extended, the commentator on the TV every time says “the refs will call that every time”. No, apparently not.

    Likewise, when a fumble happens and the player who is seen recovering the ball before everyone else piles on the guy AND he comes up with the ball that is a fumble recovery any other time. Except when a Buc does it, then the Refs need whip out a very literal interpretation of the rule book.

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  27. I’m surprised not one person stated the obvious. Gambling is now legal for Professional sports. That is the end of professional sports as we know it. The team owners are all scumbag billionaires and they are going to fix games to make money on gambling. I have had it with the NFL. Maybe if fans stopped watching the games in droves they will get rid of gambling.

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  28. Perhaps. But one play in this case doth not make a Win! The Bucs screwed themselves. Lets move on. The Saints were far superior in just about every football category on Sunday..Period. And throwin 2 QB’s at us was a hellava coaching move. And Yes, Mr. Bridgewater is a better Qb than Jameis. Now..we still can finish 8-8. But we need to go into the bye at 3-3.

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    • It wasn’t just one call. We only lost by one touchdown, but the refs were going to make sure we lost that game. Legalized gambling and professional sports is a combination that can not exist together. Games are going to be rigged. Get used to it.

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      • To Win..to beat another team in their house? You gotta BEAT THEM. The game was not rigged. Jameis constantly on his butt was not rigged. Their superior Defensive front 4..was not rigged. Their use of 2 QB’s was not rigged..it was genius. And Bridgewater is a better QB with great protection. Guess that’s rigged to huh?
        We had our chances to win the game. Stop making SOB (same ole Bucs) Excuses! Good teams? find ways to Win. Typical Buc excuse..the Refs. What will it be next week..Jet lag?!!!!! GO BUCS.

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    • Bridgewater better than Winston? Do you think that it helps for Bridgewater to have a better offensive line, running game, and defense? He had all of 1 td in 2 1/2 games until he tossed 3 against our sorry defense. All of those sure do help a quarterback. Not to mention proven coaching from the Saints as well. So I don’t see how you could possibly say from a player standpoint that he’s better than Winston.

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      • In the words of the great Lombardi..WINNING is all that Matters. Everything else is BS. He said that. Bridgewater has won 3 games in the absence of Brees. 3 straight. Yes, he is the better QB for now. Has Jameis won 3 straight? And as for the deficient D and O lines we have, Whose fault is that? Own the lost and lets hope we can recover in England. 11 years of excuses. We ought to be kinda tired of them by now.

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        • I gave you reasons why Bridgewater was better and oline and dline make a huge difference so yes, he is better for that reason, but not because he’s a “better quarterback” I’m not making excuses for Winston by any means but as usual it makes me laugh when people pin wins and losses on one individual in what is the most team oriented sport on the planet.

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      • Got your point here Chefboho. I’m just sick & tired of losing consistently..thats all.

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        • I agree my dude.

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  29. Which refs in that game had how much money riding on the Saints?

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    • It’s not the individual refs, its the NFL owners and organized gambling. Those calls came down from New York.

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  30. Same crew as the 9ers game week 1 I don’t like to blame the refs but it has happened twice now with the same people involved

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  31. Gamblers rigged the Word Series back in the old days. That’s why gambling on pro sports has been illegal for so long. Making gambling legal again on pro sports can only lead to one thing. Fixed games. Anyone who thinks games are not rigged to make huge sums of money is just denying reality.

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