It’s time for PewterReport.com’s 2-Point Conversion post-game column, which features two statements, two questions and two predictions based on the latest Bucs game. Tampa Bay lost another heartbreaker, this one in overtime at Seattle, 40-36, when the team’s young secondary couldn’t stop Seahawks Pro Bowl quarterback Russell Wilson, who threw five touchdowns. After the game, Bucs head coach Bruce Arians was proud of his young players, but that matters little as the team lost its fourth straight game to fall to 2-6 on the year.

2 BIG STATEMENTS

STATEMENT 1: Tampa Bay’s Young Defense Gets Shredded – Again

The Bucs have invested a lot of draft picks to address the secondary, including three selections this year in cornerbacks Sean Murphy-Bunting and Jamel Dean and safety Mike Edwards. Last year, general manager Jason Licht spent two second-round picks on M.J. Stewart and Carlton Davis and a fourth-round pick on strong safety Jordan Whitehead.

The problem is that this secondary is too young and too inexperienced. If you haven’t been watching all season as quarterback after quarterback has piled up 300-yard game after 300-yard game, Seattle’s Russell Wilson shredded the secondary for 378 yards and five touchdowns and no interceptions in the Seahawks’ come-from-behind 40-34 overtime win.

“I’m really proud of our guys,” Bucs head coach Bruce Arians said. “At one time we had six rookies out there on defense and they were fighting their asses off. This was an NFL game for some of them and they got broken in pretty good.”

Bucs CB Jamel Dean
Bucs CB Jamel Dean – Photo by: Getty Images

The young guy who got broken in with a brutal trial by fire game was Dean, who started in place of Davis, who injured his hip in pre-game warm-ups. Dean gave up several big plays down the stretch, in addition to both of Tyler Lockett’s touchdown and a score by rookie D.K. Metcalf. Lockett had a career-high 13 catches for 152 yards and two touchdowns and Metcalf had six catches for 123 yards and a score.

“Carlton’s injury throws a young guy out there, and like I said, when you are playing with six rookies with snaps out there – and they held their own,” Arians said. “It’s a bright future – yeah, we’re pissed off about losing a game that went to overtime that we thought we should win just like last week. But I see the growth. I see us getting better.”

The Bucs recorded three sacks on the day, but couldn’t pressure Wilson when it mattered the most it seemed. And Dean looked gassed at the end of the game and had trouble keeping up with Metcalf.

“He made some good plays and he made some bad plays,” Arians said of Dean. “It was a big learning experience. It’s the most that he’s played – just physically being tired. I thought Sean Murphy-Bunting … he’s been growing and growing. I thought this one was a good one for Jamel. Mike Edwards got out there and got some snaps. The growth is good.”

Growth is good, experience is good, but losing is bad. It’s always better to grow and learn through wins than through losses. And the fact that the Bucs have been young and inexperienced in the secondary has really played a role in the team’s six losses this season.

“Just have to grow up,” Arians said. “We are really, really, really young. Over there we had three rookies playing in the back end and Devin [White], and [Anthony] Nelson got hurt. Just keep growing. Keep growing, but I love the way they competed.”

The evaluation of Tampa Bay’s young secondary boils down to one of two things. Either the Bucs just don’t have enough playmakers on defense and drafted the wrong guys, especially in the secondary, or the young defenders just haven’t had enough time to develop into playmakers yet.

Bucs Super Bowl cornerbacks Ronde Barber and Brian Kelly struggled mightily as rookies and second-year players. It wasn’t until three years into Barber’s NFL career that he emerged as a Pro Bowl-caliber playmaker, and it wasn’t until five years into Kelly’s career that he led the NFC in interceptions, helping the Bucs get to and win the Super Bowl.

It’s too early to tell if players like Dean, Davis, Murphy-Bunting, Edwards and Whitehead have Pro Bowl potential, but they certainly haven’t showed it yet as the Bucs have now gone three straight games without an interception. One thing is for certain, until these players gain more experience and create more plays the yardage and touchdowns allowed will continue – and the losses will also pile up.

STATEMENT 2: Make No Mistake – This Is A Bucs Loss

Don’t be excited about how well the Bucs played on Sunday, losing to the Seahawks in overtime. It doesn’t matter. Tampa Bay lost. 

There shouldn’t be any moral victories for this team any more. Yet at the end of the game, Arians seemed incline to take one.

“I can’t be more proud of our guys,” Arians said. “To have the injuries that we had at the last second and to take this team to overtime – and that’s a hell of a football team. I think it speaks volumes about our guys. A play or two – we’re just a play or two [away] and we win last week and we win last week.

“They’re pissed – they’re really pissed because it’s like two weeks in a row. They worked hard in practice this week and it showed in this game. I can’t ask any more from these guys. I can’t be more prouder of them.”

With all due respect, nobody wants to hear that.

Seahawks TE Jacob Hollister and Bucs CB Sean Murphy-Bunting – Photo by: Getty Images

A loss is a loss – and the Bucs now have six of them and only two wins.

Arians can be proud of his players – it’s his team. And I appreciate his rah-rah style after the game.

But this is a franchise that is destined to have a 12th straight losing season, and the narrative has to change. At some point in time, there has to be a tipping point. At some point in time there has to be a game where a player or players rise up and make a play to win the game, and then do it again the next week and the week after that.

Arians just got here, and I’m sensing that this turnaround job is not nearly as easy as he thought it was going to be. Arians had never lost three games in a row before – and now he’s lost four games in a row for the first time.

I think Arians is in unchartered territory. At 2-6 this season is now lost. But for it to have any success in the future it has to learn how to win over the final eight games. There has to be a stretch where the Bucs win three games in a row to end the year, or win four out of the last five. Otherwise Arians’ first season in Tampa Bay will be a big waste.

2 PROBING QUESTIONS

QUESTION 1: Did White Turn A Corner In Seattle?

Yes, in a big way. Inside linebacker Devin White, the team’s first-round pick, missed a few games after injuring his knee in Week 2 and that slowed him down. But after a nine-tackle effort against Carolina in London, White forced a key fumble on a fake field goal attempt in last week’s loss at Tennessee. Although that play didn’t count because the refs missed the call and blew an inadvertent whistle.

That didn’t stop White from making some significant progress as a playmaker in Seattle as the LSU product easily had the best game of his young career with 12 tackles, two forced fumbles and half a sack. White showed off his 4.4 speed in chasing down Seahawks running back Chris Carson on a breakaway 59-yard run and knocked the ball out from behind.

“Just catch him – that was a huge, big-time play,” Arians said. “I saw Tyrann Mathieu do that his rookie year and catch Jared Cook. I just wish we would’ve gotten the damn ball. It was a great play by him but we don’t recover the ball. The ball bounces out of bounds.”

White wasn’t drafted that high just to make tackles. The Bucs are expecting splash plays from White and he’s starting to deliver, although his day wasn’t perfect. White was flagged for pass interference on tight end Jacob Hollister that resulted in a 38-yard penalty, which gave Seattle a first down at the Tampa Bay 1-yard line in the first half. The Seahawks would score a touchdown on that possession.

Still, it was a step in the right direction for the young rookie linebacker.

“Devin White’s play on Carson was unbelievable,” Arians said. “We just don’t get that fumble. That’s what these young guys are all about. Each and every guy had a hand in the pile today.”

QUESTION 2: Should The Bucs Have Gone For The Win With A 2-Point Conversion?

Yes. Arians had too much confidence in his coaching staff, specifically defensive coordinator Todd Bowles, not to go for the win with a two-point conversion. Instead Arians made an error in not understanding that the Bucs young secondary was gassed, especially Dean, who was getting picked on repeatedly.

“No, just because of history here and we had held them – their kicker just missed one,” Arians said of not going for two points after the Bucs’ touchdown with 46 seconds left in regulation. “No, there was no [thought of going for the win with a two-point conversion].”

Bucs head coach Bruce Arians
Bucs head coach Bruce Arians – Photo by: Getty Images

Lose the coin flip in overtime and there’s a decent chance Seattle marches down the field for the game-winning touchdown without Tampa Bay’s offense – the best unit the Bucs had on Sunday – not touching the ball. And that’s exactly what happened.

I would have taken my chances with a pass to Mike Evans or Chris Godwin to win the game on a two-point conversion. No risk it, no biscuit, right?

No. Instead, Arians let his past success in Seattle dictate his decision, which was wrong. Arians isn’t coaching the Cardinals anymore. This is the 2-6 Buccaneers we’re talking about.

“That’s the thing – every time in overtime you want that ball,” Arians said. “I’ve had some doozies with these guys before, and I thought we had them stopped and they made a really good third down conversion.”

Was Arians protecting Byron Leftwich, whose play-calling has come under fire in recent weeks from fans and some in the media, including yours truly, by not having the offense attempt a two-point conversion? Did he not want the game coming down to a throw from Jameis Winston, who completed 29-of-44 passes for 335 yards and two touchdowns, because of the heat Winston has taken in recent weeks?

Only Arians knows for sure, but I wouldn’t have trusted the Bucs defense and its young, porous secondary to try to win the game for Tampa Bay.

Because in the end, it didn’t.

2 BOLD PREDICTIONS

PREDICTION 1: Evans And Godwin Will Make The Pro Bowl

Tampa Bay has only had a few Pro Bowl wide receivers in over 40 years of football, including two-time Pro Bowler Mike Evans, who is the franchise’s greatest receiver. This year, the Bucs will have two Pro Bowl receivers in the same season for the first time in team history.

A week after Evans had 11 catches for 198 yards and two touchdowns in last week’s loss at Tennessee, he recorded a career-high 12 catches for 180 yards and a touchdown at Seattle. That pushes his season totals to 50 receptions for 842 yards and seven touchdowns.

Bucs WR Mike Evans
Bucs WR Mike Evans – Photo by: Getty Images

Godwin had seven catches for 61 yards against the Seahawks, and that increases his season totals to 54 receptions for 766 yards and six touchdowns. Evans now has the second-most yards behind New Orleans’ Michael Thomas’ 875 yards, while Godwin ranks fifth in the league behind Seattle’s Tyler Lockett, who has 767 yards.

Evans is more of a shoo-in if he maintains his current production levels because he’s a household name. But if Godwin can top 1,200 yards and get at least 10 touchdowns he should definitely get Pro Bowl consideration, too.

PREDICTION 2: Bucs Secure A Top 10 Draft Pick

With its fourth straight loss after a 2-2 start, Tampa Bay is now 2-6 with eight games left. Even with a 4-4 finish down the stretch, which seems unlikely given the fact that these Bucs haven’t learned how to win yet.

The Bucs entered the game with the ninth overall pick if the season ended prior to kickoff, and at 2-6, Tampa Bay has now moved up to eighth and is tied with Cleveland and the New York Giants with that record.

In order for the Bucs to get to .500 and finish 8-8, Tampa Bay would have to go 6-2 down the stretch, which seems improbable. Even a 5-3 finish to improve to 7-9 seems unrealistic given how the last four weeks have gone.

Right now it’s a safe bet to assume the Bucs will have a Top 10 draft pick for a third straight year, unfortunately.

Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

54 COMMENTS

  1. I was at the game today. Dean was getting his ass whooped constantly. I get he is a rookie but damn it wasn’t good. I didn’t agree with the call for the pat, felt we should’ve went for 2 at the end of the game. Whatever here’s to the draft🍺

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    • Thanks for showing the flag out there for the Bucs!

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    • …and if Arians had gone for 2 points instead of 1 and we didn’t convert, the conversation would have been, “Why didn’t Arians just put the game into OT with a PAC kick???”

      Like you said though, the rookies were getting their asses kicked. I would add that the stupid penalties have to stop. I get that they played in the loudest stadium in the NFL, but one could argue that D White’s PI call in the first half is what lost the game for the Bucs, or Gay’s missed kick, but that pass to the TE was not going to be caught.

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    • He clearly looked like he wasn’t in game shape. Special teams is one thing but playing on most defensive snaps he looked like VHIII out there, always 2 steps behind.

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  2. Great article here Scott. I know Arians is proud of the way our guys fought. But to us fans who have been on life support for many season? You’re right. We don’t want to hear much at all unless its a victory. I still think Arians is the right coach. But he see’s now its gonna take mega work with this franchise. I still say, An Outstanding Defense with an average QB takes us further than investing in a 1st rd QB. Brad Johnson was certainly not the best. But Brooks, Lynch and Sapp sure were Yes, we have a top 10 pick coming. Maybe even top 5 if we keep playing like we are now. I’m tired. Its late. And I got a hangover to recover from by 8AM. AZ Cardinals comin to town and unlike us, they have improved since the beginning of the season. Win this one Bruce…Please?

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    • If we can get a rock solid veteran CB in FA, keep the key DL free agents like Shaq and JPP, add some quality depth on the OL and a RT in the draft, the Bucs could very well become a playoff team next season.

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  3. It’s a hypercritical media that will chastise BA for not going for a 2 point conversion to win the game. I get the no risk it no biscuit reference, Scott, but at some point, the media should fall in line when they have a post-season experienced HC with the narrative the wise HC is saying after the game.

    I like BA’s statements today after the game. Not sure how MORE draft picks (= more young guys) is the expert analysis we need to be hopeful about a VERY YOUNG TEAM that needs NFL experience to learn to win. A vet in the secondary would sure be nice. And meanwhile, Minkah Fitzpatrick returned an INT for a TD today and has 4 INTs since joining the Steelers. What a lucky AND amazing outcome that would be if we gave up high draft capital for a CB with some experience!

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  4. Jason Licht has been gifted a top 10 pick in 5 of his first 6 drafts to start with. His latest gift of a mangled roster to Bucs fans will likely make it 6 out of 7, but Scott has gone out of his way to defend this guy and his bad signings/drafts/roster building while perennially laying the blame of the revolving door of coaches he asks the Glazers to move on from.

    Maybe one day you’ll learn Scott but I wouldn’t go on mybookieag and wager any money on it 😉

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    • PREACH!!!!!

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  5. Bucs have allowed 252 points more than any other team in NFL Todd Bowles game face D
    No teams have scored more points than the Bucs have allowed very weird.
    Bucs on course to allow 504 Points digest that Pewter Boys

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    • How have they allowed 252 points more than any other team? Man, you need to do some math—or use punctuation sometimes.

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      • Grammar cop?

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        • Nope, but some of us don’t like reading run on sentences. Once again though Naples, you bring nothing to the conversation outside of trying to be the cool guy and just looking like a tool.

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    • Did you forget the Dolphins?

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  6. The best 2 and 6 team ever. LOL. Well, I guess thankfully White has turned the corner. Whatever that means.

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  7. Beginning of November we’re talking about at least drafting in the top 10, or better yet, the top five. I don’t believe Arains was hired, and Licht was retained for that type of out come, but I don’t see the Glazers making any changes. The sad part is I can’t even get excited about the draft anymore as long as Licht will be doing the picking which he will. Going to have to go through at least two more years of this mess before the Glazers fire Licht, and move on from Jameis who I believe will get some kind of contract no matter how the rest of the season plays out. All joy is gone from being a Buc fan. Go 49ers.

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  8. Scott is just selling what he has to sell. Behavior all too commonplace in a world of alternative facts. Say wherever is required to protect your own interest, spin, deflect, deny or lie. It’s a sign of the times.

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  9. Would PR please kck DumbAssBob off this site.
    He is a troll and this site shouldn’t allow obvious trolls and haters to post out here.

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    • You are much more the troil here, dude. BAB expresses his opinions, to which he and 100% of all other commenters are fully entitled to post.

      The TROLL is the one who spends much or most of his commentary attacking others he disagrees with, and then calls for all who disagree with him – the real TROLL – to be booted.

      Your opinion is no more protected or entitled than anyone else’s .. and you opinion is LESS entitled every time you try to shut down the conversation – which is exactly what internet trolls do for a living.

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      • Naples you just described yourself to a T. Guess that makes you a troll as well.

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      • Well said Naples, I post sporadically and don’t care if I get 24 likes or 50 thumbs down – also don’t read comments, you don’t like mine fine. I also take exception for those who think this should be a cheerleader board. BAB at least shows passion and while he is most times a Buc-Hater, that too at least generates the same passion in other posters.

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    • I always look forward to Bob’s wisdom or lack of and I pay for season tkts so .. keep up the good work and don’t let the real troll change your ways..

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  10. Got this in a little late. Not sure where this goes, but its not good. This team is on a record scoring pace and still losing. Today , and most of the season, our young secondary got roasted. The same secondary Licht has spent a ton of picks on. Would you want him picking another with this high dragt pick?
    I think jameis gets a middle sized 2 year contract or something like that and see what happens. Unless ofcourse he had another clunker or 2 ,but he played well today.
    Scotty miller should be cut at this point. My goodness that was a jr high mistake he made out there. The need to force this guy into the game plan is ridiculous.
    Bershard perriman finally made a catch or 2. And mike evans is just a nightmare matchup. Hes too good and it sucks watching that dude not win. Godwin continues to fight and is such an asset.
    Devin white showed the good and the bad this game. I think once he learns the position, he was a runningback in high school. But his athleticism on that play to catch up to Carson was unreal.
    This secondary is just so young but still this is awful. No qb or team can win with a defense like this. Its not possible.
    Dont know where this goes, same song and dance.

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  11. Jameis Winston, bouncing back and not totally screwing up the game after screwing up alot in previous weeks, only to go back to screwing up again is nothing to get excited about. He’s still a loser. Dunno why anyone should be getting excited about White, he still gets roasted in coverage. The middle of the field was wide open all day today. Arians playing to scared. Should have gone for 2 and called the play HIMSELF! Still can’t get pressure when it matters. Injuries to our rushers definitely doesn’t help, but both Shaq and JPP were quiet the whole 4th and the entire overtime drive. This secondary is gonna continue together destroyed. They will be lucky to win 2 more games!

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  12. Today is a memorable day?
    Scott Reynolds is starting to talk the same language many of us have been saying after 2-3 started.
    Big mistake Scott team did nothing before the deadline! There’s a good possibility we will end up winning 5-7 games, so what does that get us?
    I would hope a new GM!
    I believe Arians realizes this team can’t be winners until some of the deadbeats are kicked off this team.
    Coach, time to take away your golf cart and start focusing on your job to make this team winners! That’s what you said you were going to do, so go do it!

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  13. If Licht is allowed to draft another player for this team, the Glazers should be forced to sell the team. It’s that bad. He’s completely incompetent. His draft record is indefensible. And the proof is the train wreck we have that tries to play defense. I’m not even going to discuss Winston. He’s still a problem. Just not sure how you fix all the issues.

    It’s like Licht was given an assignment to draw a ship. He couldn’t even draw the sail. What do you do as a parent after Licht has run out of eraser trying to draw his ship? You take his pencil and paper away. Give it to someone else who can draw a damn ship.

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    • Interesting analogy but I like it.

      Get someone to draw a ship you entitled silver spoon loser owners! You’ll never be as good as your dad and every day that you own this team you prove even more that you don’t know what you’re doing.

      Think about the three ownership groups in Tampa, Sternberg with the lowest payroll in MLB yet making the playoff this year, Vinik with a Lightning team that led the NHL in wins last year and these clowns who have managed to have the second longest playoff drought in a 32-team NFL. Even an owner with abilities between the hapless Glazer Babies and the other two would bring an occasional NFL playoff team to Tampa.

      Even more than Licht these Babies need to sell so they can retire off of all of that unearned wealth they inherited.

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      • You sound like Naples. The “babies” are middle aged.

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  14. Gassed Secondary or not, saying it was stupid to not go for the 2 point conversion Win is about the dumbest thing I’ve read on here in a while. That part sounded like a silly Troll in the comments section here complaining about something absurd after the fact. Yeah a nice easy little pass to Evans and Godwin is just so automatic right? Cause it’s automatic every time right? Geez Man that sounds so silly… Come on now… Yes a Win is what we want every time, but a game where so much of the team showed improvement is what we are looking for… Yes, we still need people to step up and turn these close games into Wins but nobody should be blaming Arians for being proud of how hard his guys fought for it this game.

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    • The same people complaining about not going for the 2-point PAC would be the same ones complaining that the Bucs went for 2 when they could have forced OT with a PA kick, had the Bucs not converted the 2-points. There is simply no reasoning with these people.

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  15. We drafted poorly two years in a row, and now our coaching is only marginally better than it was w/ the last regime. Tampa may end up with fewer wins than last year. Amazing.

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    • Oh we’ve drafted poorly for basically all of the 2000’s seat26 😂 But if you ask Scott about Rich McKay, objectively the best GM in franchise history (yes his staff and even Sam Wyche played a role in correct selections), you’d think 29-59 Licht was arguably better based on absolutely nothing.

      I like how Scott would obsess over McKay’s picks in the early 2000’s when the team was trading premium picks away for Keyshawn and Gruden or Bruce Allen taking bargain basement deals on Derrick Deese and Charlie Garner like it’s some mortal sin compared to Licht’s entire career of ineptitude.

      The more mental gymnastics one has to make to prove a point the weaker the argument.

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  16. The magic of tevo , On the fumble, no one touched Winston he just throws away backwards the game on his own.
    I counted 4 passes bouncing off the numbers and hands of Seahawks Defenders one pass bounced off a Blue jerseys numbers 10 feet in the air for a Perriman touch down Luck.
    today normally with average hands-on defenders this would have been at least a 2 INT day for Jameis.
    Nothing changed

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    • Nope wrong again. Put some glasses on and youll see smiths arm hits jameis as it goes back. Youre not even a good troll bob. This play merely requires eye sight to understand smith hit his arm.

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  17. DrDown East Again asks to have me banned for speaking hate,
    I guess I am supposed to watch Saints and Panthers again this x mas in playoffs, while the Bucs close out the season at the bottom watch Licht with a top 5 pick in 2020 draft blow it.
    I just need to understand Playoffs are for other teams and keep mouth positive and blame back luck and the refs.
    Praise the Glazers on what good job they do, and understand it is not Jameis fault it is the team around him.
    Tow the Glazer narrative or be banned from pewter, I am told I am not a fan because I hate to see Bucs lose
    I guess a Bucs fan is supposed to except losing with quiet mouth.

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    • Bob, the “woe is me” is not becoming of you. You state a lot of ‘facts’ that are not facts but just wrong. Sometimes you do write good things that people can agree with, but many times you rant with made up facts and get called out on that. If you stop the crazy talk and stick with the facts of their bad performance, people will most likely accept your comments.

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      • Buc stops, no one will take him seriously, most of his comments sound like he never even watched the game. Just look above as he raves about seeing jameis lose the ball and the magic of tivo, when anyone woth a pair of eyes saw what happened.

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        • I know cg, you are probably right. I just find it ironic he finds it shocking that people want to ban him for his insane comments that he makes most of the time – almost never based on any facts. I probably should not waste any text on it.

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          • BUc
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1p4RpaCtqA

            8:52 sec play it a hundred times no one touched that ball

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        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1p4RpaCtqA

          8:52 sec play it a hundred times no one touched that ball

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          • Actually Bob, you get a pass here because it is hard to see. Actually, Smith on the line caused the fumble – he got pushed back into Winston who hit his arm on that pass. You are right no one touched the ball, but someone touched his arm. There is a screen shot on this page if you take the time to scroll down and see it. I attached the link below for you to look at.

            https://www.bucsnation.com/2019/11/3/20947097/notes-highlights-from-buccaneers-40-34-loss-to-seahawks

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    • Why are people asking to ban this “Buc-Ass-Bob” character?

      He’s clearly passionate, despite a noticeable penchant to lie, fabricate, and make shit up to support his arguments.

      But, he’s clearly a fan tired of losing.

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      • Donkey
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1p4RpaCtqA

        8:52 sec play it a hundred times no one touched that ball

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  18. The Bucs actually played well offensively, a mostly clean game with just one turnover and one shouldabeenaturnover that crazily turned into a touchdown. Relatively few penalties.

    The defense did its usual league-cellar performance in points allowed .. funny, I coulda swore all preseason that the defense was going to be fixed after all the bad coaching of the prior two seasons .. and here it is, performing significantly worse this season under the new coaching regime.

    Anyway, losing to the Seahawks in Seattle is not the worst kind of loss to suffer. They generally play pretty well there in front of their home crowd, which unlike Bucs home crowds does not consist mostly of visiting fans and empty seats. Losing to the likely MVP of the league in overtime on a game winning touchdown drive is nothing to be ashamed of, even if it is disappointing.

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  19. Easy to second guess and say should went for 2. I guarantee If they did go for it and didn’t get it fans and likely Pewter Report guys would been even more livid that we didn’t just kick the damn extra point and go to OT!

    Is what it is. They aren’t ready to play with big boys yet but very close. The secondary needs more experience and should get better. Will see…..Offense need a new RT.

    Trade all good players, Fire all coaches and Gm and start over. Lol.

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    • I agree. We’re closer to being a good team this year than we were last year. Licht had no choice but to draft 2 CBs again this past April. We had nearly no cap space to work with until the Bucs cut Batman. Even then, most of that went to Shaq, Suh, and the guy who got cut. It’ll be interesting to see what the Bucs do about Winston at the end of the season.

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  20. As I have done recently here are the things I liked and disliked once again this game:
    Positives
    1) We got the “good” Winston today. He faced some situations very similar to those in London, but instead of trying to force the ball, we witnessed him throwing the ball away – which to now has been a foreign concept for him. Under heavy pressure he threw it away multiple times and if people did not notice, he was not really close to being picked off all game. He fumbled of course one time, but it was recovered. Still, a much better performance. Now the challenge for him is to continue this for the rest of the season – if it is even possible.
    2) The Bucs did not abandon the run no matter what this game. This helps tremendously when the attack is balanced in attempts. They had some success running the ball as well. Leftwich has taken a lot of criticism but this time, for the most part, the offense was more effective although the adjustments Seattle made for the second half did slow them down substantially for a lot of the half.
    3) Another shout out to TE TJ Logan. He has made the return respectable for Tampa, a far cry from the fumbles we were getting from the prior player who was cut. Six returns, no fumbles, and one return of 41 yards. This has gone from a terrible weakness to very respectable in a matter of just a couple of weeks.

    Negatives
    1) The youth/inexperience/bad play of the secondary. I think because the Bucs are rebuilding it is showing badly. However, what is not being mentioned is Vernon Hargraves III. He is not new. He is a first round draft pick in his fourth year. He had four tackles which is not great. No interceptions, no passes defensed, nothing. I would like to think Russell Wilson is part of the problem as he is fantastic, but Hargraves has only defensed one pass in the last three games. I think this first round draft pick is becoming a bust, like it or not. I may be wrong but I don’t think so.
    2) One dimensional defense. Because the secondary was so bad, Todd Boles was literally forced to blitz a lot. He could not play prevent because it did not work at all. Forced into that one dimensional defense, Seattle just threw quick slants and that was the ball game. The line got some pressure from time to time, but could not do it consistently and by the end of the game, just could not do it anymore. The lack of defense and depth is going to kill them this season.

    Overall, what we saw today is about the best you can expect from this team. Competitive in a losing effort. Honestly, with Miami showing some life the only team that looks like it won’t win is Cincinnati. I was hoping for 8-8 this year but that was a pipe dream. Even the miserable 5-11 of the last two seasons is a stretch now. If the Bucs find a way to lose to Arizona at home next week, the only team they have a chance of beating left this year is Atlanta because they get two chances and they are not that good either.

    I am willing to believe that if they lose to Arizona they won’t win more than 4 games and not only will they have a top 10 pick, it will be a top 6 pick.

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    • The Cards are not a pushover … their rookie QB is getting better with game experience (he put up a 130 passer rating against the 49ersd), and they just gave the undefeated 49ers a pretty good scar. That is no gimme game for the Bucs.

      Likewise, the Falcons may be down this year, but it is very hard to beat any divisional team twice in a season. Chances are pretty good the split with the Bucs. Carolina is certainly no pushover either – we may have held McCaffery earlier this season, but McCaffery is having a MVP-like season, and we just gave up 105 yards to Carson, 145 total to the Hawks. The rest of the remaining schedule – Jags, Colts, Lions, Saints, and Texans – are going to be tough to eke out more than a couple of wins, unless things turn around.

      The Bucs seem to be playing well enough to stay in most games, but winning games is where they falter. A 4-5 win season seems very likely unless the secondary quickly grows up.

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      • I think we are on the same page. I never said Arizona is a pushover, I just felt that matchup is a better one for them and gives them a better chance to win. I felt a split with Atlanta was a likely outcome. I don’t see them having a chance to beat the Saints, Texans, and Colts. Lions defense is much better now and their offense is not bad either, so that is going to be very hard for this team to win so I don’t think they have much of a chance there either. Jaguars I don’t have a good feeling for with the loss they had to the Texans this week. Maybe that one is a possibility too. It is how I arrived at a max of 5 wins now, more likely 4.

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    • Every team has busts, and the Bucs are no different than any other team in that respect. Licht’s main problem has been his 2nd round picks, but he’s also drafted some really good players as well. His FA record is also up-and-down, but the past couple of years he’s done well with FAs overall.

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      • Okay, taking your statement at face value:
        2016 draft – Roberto Aguayo, Ryan Smith, Caleb Benenoch, and Devante Bond rounds 2 through 6. Of those players, how many are active three years later with Tampa today? Zero!
        2017 draft – OJ Howard (1), Justin Evans (2), Chris Godwin, Kendell Beckwith (both 3) and Jeremy Nichols (5). This draft is better. OJ Howard and Chris Godwin are still with the team. Justin Evans has not stayed healthy enough to play almost at all and is back on IR this year.

        So last two drafts, and a total of two starters today in the first six rounds of both drafts. Better to say that nearly all his picks are busts. Yes, he has many good free agents off the street as they were not picks in the draft and are contributing today (Carmen Brate comes to mind, lost WR Adam Humphries is another) but his drafts are less than stellar. I am hoping they get better with Arians on board but we will see. For the 2019 draft Devin White (1), Sean Bunting (2 – coming off the bench second string), Jamel Dean (3 -playing but needs work and it is early), Mike Edwards (3 – starting), Anthony Nelson (4 – coming off the bench second string), and Jason Gay (5- kicking much better than past kickers) it is promising but early. That is my only hope – that Licht working with Arians can improve the returns because the last few years, Licht has not been great by any measure.

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  21. I remember PR telling us that the players at Kentucky said they wanted to play with Mike Edwards and not Josh Allen as a reason the Bucs didn’t draft him lol. Well he has 7 sacks, Edwards isn’t looking nearly as good as reported in camp and we are praising White for chasing down a RB 50 yards downfield lol. Hustle is appreciated but we gave up 100 yards on the ground, a number that’s been INCREASING since he took over for Minter but nobody writes that. Oh and we won’t beat the Cardinals next week either. Kyler is about to have his best day as a pro, you can book it. He will shred this carousel of below avg CBs and overhyped/sized coaching staff. Lol they hadn’t won a game and we were reading articles about losing them to HC jobs this offseason lol. We might be losing them alright but to the unemployment line, the Glazers should listen to me and fire Licht and everything he’s touched.

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    • It really is pretty simple…to succeed in the NFL you must have quality players at the key positions of QB, LT, DE, CB1. True, that’s not enough in itself, but without those 4 key positions filled in today’s game, the rest just comes out looking like our Bucs – flashes here and there, a MLB running down a RB, a team that’s “hard” to run on, a QB that’s constantly under duress and consequently leading the league in turnovers, and so on. Gotta fix the key flaws first…starting with a GM that understands this.

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  22. Deal was scorched like a college athlete that he is. Saying that he was out of condition and gassed at the end of the game??? Dude, you’ve had a whole summer to get in condition, and 8 weekly practices for the one moment you get thrust in the spotlight, and you are gassed and physically unprepared??? By my count, he was burned for 3 of Wilson’s touchdown passes. To his credit he knocked away what could have been 4. Then Jordan Whitehead was playing out of position on the final winning touchdown. He is literally 7 to 10 yards off the line of scrimmage defending a tight end who outran him in a crossing route. How is he not checking him on the line of scrimmage? Their pass defense couldn’t figure out that Seattle was just throwing crossing routes underneath all afternoon, then with their speed tacking on 10 extra yards. White missed a few tackles that resulted in big yardage. Yep, definitely young and unrefined. We need Ronde out of the booth and on that field to show them how a man plays the position.

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