If you would have polled Bucs fans prior to Saturday, and asked them the one position the Bucs would without question not draft, it would have been nearly unanimous – a placekicker.

They would have been wrong.

Not only did the Bucs take a kicker – again, insert Roberto Aguayo comments here – they did so in the fifth round with a number of players that many felt could have helped the Bucs more than a kicker to come in and compete with incumbent Cairo Santos.

GM Jason Licht

In two years handling kicking duties at the University of Utah, Gay drilled all 85 of his extra point attempts and converted on 56 of his total 65 field goal attempts for a conversion rate of 86 percent, including 72 p[ercent from 50 or more yards. He’s got a booming leg that can extend beyond 60 yards if asked and he also won the Lou Groza Award for the nation’s top placekicker in 2017.

Bucs’ general manager Jason Licht was not ashamed and vehemently made a case for why the Bucs gambled on Utah’s Matt Gay after being peppered with questions during his post-draft press conference.

“He’s a big guy with a big leg and he’s also accurate, so those are a lot of good things that we like about him,” Licht said late in the day after the Buccaneers had selected their new players. “He kicks in Utah, but he’s also good at sea level. He can kick it far at sea level as well. We liked him as a person. We think he’s a very confident guy and we’ve exhausted everything we can to try to find a kicker. We’ll continue to, like every other position. We’ve drafted one, signed free agents, UFAs, street free agents, gone to Denmark, so we like this guy. Like I said, like all positions, we will continue to do what we can to try to find the guy we like.”

Dealing with the pressure of making a game-wining kick is one of the toughest things to do, not just in football, but in all of sports. All eyes are on you and while there were other plays in a game that determine the outcome, at that moment, a kicker is in the crosshairs. Gay told the media he doesn’t shy away from that, although those opportunities have been few and far between.

“I’ve never had any last second game winners, but down the stretch with a few minutes left to tie the game or put us ahead, I’ve had quite a few,” Gay said. “I feel like I handle pressure pretty well and I remain calm, I’m able to stay stable in those moments and be able to hit those, to give my team a chance. I know my team trusts me and that helps my confidence to go out there because they have all the faith in me, so, I’m just kind of confident in those moments and again I just feel comfortable in those pressure situations.”

Licht didn’t seem concerned with a lack of pressure chances during Gay’s college career.

Utah K Matt Gay
Utah K Matt Gay – Photo courtesy of Utah

“You’d like to see guys make big kicks in big moments, obviously,” Licht said. “The kicker is a very important position. It’s one of the most important positions on the team. Right now we have a coach who really believes in kickers and the importance of it and stresses it. He’s got a kicking background with his son Jake who is a good friend of mine that was a kicker. When Bruce was hired, we had several discussions about what we were going to do to refine the ways that we do things in terms of finding a good kicker.

“We still like Cairo [Santos]. We think Cairo has been really improving so far in the offseason here and we hired [Specialist Coach] Chris Boniol. Chris is a very good ‘swing doctor’ in terms of his experience as a kicker and also as a coach in college and in the NFL. Keith Armstrong is an awesome special teams coach, as well as Amos Jones. Obviously I’m trying to tell you that we put a lot of stress into the importance of all special teams, but especially kicker.”

Licht said the kicking competition is wide open and there are no favorites at this point.

“You take any position in the fifth round, it’s not an automatic – you’re saying he’s automatically made the team,” Licht said. “We want to bring in great competition for Cairo. We will let them kick it out through the preseason. May the best man win, but if Matt happens to win it, we have [punter] Bradley [Pinion] who is an elite kickoff guy in the NFL. He has proven that. I don’t see why we would stop using him in that role. It saves wear and tear on a kicker’s leg when you have that.”

 

 

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55 COMMENTS

  1. What a freaking joke. Nothing against Gay himself, he seems like a fine kicker. But this is a screaming indictment again Jason Licht. So he’s basically admitting he completely screwed up on last year’s draft and is trying to fix it this year.

    You don’t hire a GM to be a tool for the coaches, you hire him to get the best damn players available. Let the coaches figure out how to work it. If they can’t make talent work, they’re fired.

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  2. The whole draft has baffled ne and the experts, Maybe Light and the Great Bruce Arians know something the football world doesn’t??
    Downgraded in FA and now this draft imagine that !

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    • Not willing to let his biggest mistake be his legacy and getting Arian’s buy-off (anyone who thinks this was a Licht draft is dreaming). FA was a joke and all we “MAY GET” are those voodoo induced supplementary 4th round picks next year for losing Kwon and Humphries and hoping we get comp since we didnt’ sign anyone comparable. Although, as always taken too high as he could have probably been had as a low 6 or that 1st round 7, this kid is light years ahead of Aguayo in leg strength, not missing a PAT, and using the exact same form to boom one from 40 – 66+ yards. Compare to Aquayo of average leg, never a pressure moment, and an after-thought to a two time finalist for kicker of the year and one time winner. Again, just like our number 1, good player, loss of value at place taken. (i.e., at least they compare him to Janikowski, just scratched their head with Aquayo)

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  3. He did the same when he drafted Aguayo. Licht failed to draft any protection for Winston.

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  4. Jason Licht and his white whale/
    I doubt if this guy was on anyones board so we waste a fifth round on him.
    Brilliant.
    Five years and this guys still hasn’t figured out what you do in the draft.
    I hope he is better at selling insurance than he is at picking players and judging talent in the draft or his family is going to starve to death.

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  5. Really confused by this draft. I love the White pick. But not sure what we are doing with the rest of it. Really needed someone capable of starting on the right side of the Oline. I feel you should draft someone in every round that you think has a chance of starting, not just position depth. The kicker pick is just stupid, no way he can justify that to any Bucs fan. The players deserve a chance to prove themselves but it appears to be Lichts worst draft.

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  6. On the positive side ex GM Charlie Casserly is in love with Devin White and thinks he was the best defensive player in the draft. Thinks he will be the defensive Rookie of the Year.

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  7. I’m good with this pick. Santos has shown inconsistency in making FGs in the 40-49 range and this kid apparently was perfect in that range last year I think.

    The only real problem I had with drafting Aguayo was that we had NO COMPETITION that year at the Kicker position while Licht and Koetter were preaching “competition at every position” making them both look like the biggest hypocrites ever. Then Aguayo started missing FGs halfway thru pre-season and I remember making online comments that it wasn’t too late, that we could still get competition and we just never did. Aguayo was handed the job that year straight from the draft. Licht and the organization hopefully learned their lesson as they do have competition with Gay and Santos back there this year

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  8. Licht might as well list his house for sale after this weekend. I was ok with the Devin White pick, I wanted Josh Allen but whatever. I understand you take best player available but how they did not make any steps to fortify the the offensive line is beyond me. SR said that the coaching staff believes the it was just poor coaching. Bullshit. It’s poor talent. A couple mental images come to mind one being Jameis running for his life on most plays. The other would be ROJO getting hit in the backfield on almost every hand off he received. I would’ve been satisfied with just one offensive lineman. But to take a kicker in the fifth round when you just resigned a decent one on your squad is a joke. Just goes to show how full of himself Licht is. Always trying to make these “look how smart I am” pics. But they never pan out. WHAT AN IDIOT. Even PR staff was at a loss for words.

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  9. So who’s ready to buy season tickets?

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  10. Winston will get up looking out his earhole to quote Jon Madden. What good does Evans, Brate, Godwin and Howard do a QB when they have no time to throw?

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  11. Santos has his flaws and this guy seems to excel in the areas where he lacks. I like the idea of competition, but could do without using a 5th rounder on a kicker.

    Who knows, this could turn out to be a good pick if he works out. So much doom and gloom already before these guys have even hit the practice field. I’m still cautiously optimistic that the coaching will make a big difference. For Licht’s sake, he better hope it plays out that way

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  12. Sometimes it’s best just to say nothing.

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    • Which is exactly why I haven’t posted much at all since Licht wasn’t fired after the season ended. I knew from the moment Licht wasn’t fired it would simply be another wasted season on the way where we don’t make the playoffs. I find it very depressing that I have to waste another year of Buc fandom waiting for Licht to get fired. The coach doesn’t matter if the GM sucks. You didn’t find a comment from me when Arians was hired, nor will you find one where I said anything after Koetter or Lovie was hired. Schiano was the last guy I got excited about and I won’t make that mistake again on the hiring of a HC until we fire Licht and I feel confident in our GM.

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  13. Bucs’s Draft – First Look:

    Devin White – apparently a grand slam
    Sean Bunting, Jamel Dean, Mike Edwards – if just one of the three emerges as an above average starter, then a home run
    Matt Gay – we HAVE TO solve our kicking woes
    Scotty Miller – a sleeper, a potential home run
    Anthony Nelson, Terry Beckner Jr. – potential backups, rotational players

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  14. Ron Potter, you hit the nail on the head!

    They say that kickers are a different breed. They say that some are “head cases”. My post disaster research made me come to the same conclusion as yours. Aguayo said something himself about being used to having to competition for the position afterwards.

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  15. The Draft is in the books, Surprise and disappointment for some of them, but I will just be quiet at this point and wait to see them in Camp and Pre-season assuming most of them make it that far.

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  16. With it now moving into the off season we have to see what can be done good or bad. Some of these coaches have reputations of making wine out of vinegar. Todd Bowles has done that before as a DC, not so much as a head coach, but definitely as a DC. If Bowles does anything right it would be remarkable difference from Mike Smith last year.

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  17. McCoy getting traded was a damn believable smoke screen. They fooled us all. Put the Bucs in prime position to draft cornerbacks and kickers.

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  18. I think our Defense will be better. I like that DE in the 4th round. With 6 DB’s in two years, our Secondary has to be better or Licht is gone. White will be a stud.

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  19. How long until McCoy is cut to clear cap space to sign these new competition creating draftees? Cut its head off like a snake, be done with it already and let’s move on……

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  20. There’s been way too much negativity about this draft. I think the team improved, or it seems like it on paper. These are the players the coaching staff, not you or me, wanted on the team. I understand the run on the dbs in the 2nd round. Watching that secondary last year was sickening. The scheme, the players, everything, sucked. And about getting an O-lineman. Maybe the staff didn’t think anyone that was available was better than what the Bucs have already. Who knows. I’ll cheer for these players once they put that Buc jersey on. I’m not going to fret about how they got to the team. Long time Bucs fans should be numb to the NFL draft craziness. I mean, I thought we were going to pick Aaron Rodgers or Adrian Peterson for sure, 100%…surprise, surprise!

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  21. This comment by Licht requires little elaboration, it’s pretty clear there’s no objective analysis going on. Someone has to take the fall. Au revoir, Monsieur Bust.

    “Right now we have a coach who really believes in kickers and the importance of it and stresses it. He’s got a kicking background with his son Jake who is a good friend of mine that was a kicker. When Bruce was hired, we had several discussions about what we were going to do to refine the ways that we do things in terms of finding a good kicker.”

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  22. Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber, you go and do something like this…and totally redeem yourself!

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  23. For all you know it alls that are apparently GM’s in your spare time, maybe you should check out NFL total access. They asked all the analysts which team did they think improved themselves the most in the draft. And Terrell Davis picked the Bucs. Basically said White in his opinion is the best PLAYER, not best defensive player, but best player in the draft. And he loves the corners they got. But yeah, let’s start a fire Licht go fund me. Clowns! I trust people who get paid to know football over wannabes that just go off of mock drafts and player rankings

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    • I wouldn’t let the assessment of the NFL media be of any comfort. I remember distinctly that Mel Kiper Jr. thought the Bucs had an A draft when we drafted Mark Barron in 2012. I remember so well for two reasons: Mel said Mark Barron was the best defensive player in the draft and also we passed on Luke Kuechly in favor of Barron.

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  24. Let Dave be the confirmation bias for all of us.

    So 500 of you question this draft?! Well none other than TERRELL DAVIS says he loves our draft. And I’ll be damned if any of you know more about football that a guy who literally INVENTED the Mile High Salute. Did you ever play Madden when Terrell Davis was the person guiding you? No? Then shut up. No one needs your “facts” or “history of a failed GM” to get in the way of a great story of the best draft that ever lived. Kicker in the fifth round? You should be GRATEFUL! Jason Licht could’ve drafted a long snapper in round 4 but he FELT SORRY FOR YOU so he waited and took a kicker because he misses the new kicker smell at training camp. #TerrellDavid4GM #2-14HereWeCome! #Tank4Tua

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  25. Pretty condescending. Guess the point went over your head. The point is, nobody outside of EVERYONE in this room, thinks the Bucs draft was bad. In fact most people have said the Bucs had a very solid draft. The only gripe that was obvious was not taking a RG, and drafting a Kicker. They could have taken Gay in round 7. Other than that, they nailed their first 3 picks. White is a complete stud, Bunting is a great pick, and Dean was a late 1st/early 2nd round talent if it wasn’t for injury concerns. And Edwards is player that’s smart, instinctive, is always around the ball, and does everything above average. For a team that was historically bad on defense, they were smart to spend most their picks on defense. I kept hearing over and over and over after they drafted White, then after they drafted Bunting and Dean that they’re taking CB’s in a draft absolutely loaded with DT’s. Yet DT wasn’t even the highest drafted position. It was LB(39) so obviously the White pick over Allen wasn’t a horrible choice after all

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  26. I am waiting for the season to play out before indicted Licht for this draft. I know fans are quick to jump down his throat but for some reason, I am more patient than that. Everyone can (and will) question the GM picks – everyone in the NFL does that for all the GMs. I just want the product on the field to win. If they win, all is forgiven. Pretty simple.

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  27. Definitely a WTF moment for me!
    Obviously they feel that he would be an upgrade over Santos, or that the competition will get Santos to up his game- at least they ‘ve learned something from the kicker competition standpoint. Still amused to see people call a draft a Bust when they haven’t even taken the field together .
    I’m sure you all could come in to my brewery and tell me how to make better beer, too

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  28. Scratching my head in disgust after this draft. There are still plenty of undrafted Offensive linemen and Defensive linemen available. What is it about the kickers, the last time I looked a team only needs one not 50 million. I will take the wait and see approach but if the BUCS dont make the playoffs this year I will no longer be a fan of this team. I have been a fan since the beginning of the franchise but Im going to have to go with the Cleveland Browns, The Browns seem to be going in the right direction.

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  29. Jason Light does it again. Another C+ draft. How are we ever going to get better with this guy ruining the franchise. Please take up the chant, “Fire Light Now.”

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  30. Dave Im not a GM nor do I claim to be. The fans are puzzled by this draft, but it may work out to be best ever. All I know is the BUCS havent been to the playoffs in 11 seasons, and havent even sniffed making it to the NFC champoinship game. I AM A FAN and I am sick of LOSING and I am sick of everyone making excises for losing. I will wait and see but I have my paper bag and a CLeveland Browns hat waiting in the wings.

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  31. Once again Dave has surfaced PR man for the Buccaneers to bring us long explanations for the reasoning of the Buccaneers with the third non-quarterback pick it’s not hard to get a good pic however time will show Allen was the much better pic white used his athletic ability to overpower college players he will not be able to do that in the NFL and in a couple of years his skill level will catch up with his athletic ability and you’ll have a really good linebacker the rest of the draft makes no sense at all to me the Buccaneers are going into 2019 with a downgraded offense and nothing to replace Kwon
    . and McCoy. They’re hoping their upgrade at Coach will make the difference unfortunately the three other coaches in the NFC South have better resumes than the great Bruce Arians

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  32. Okay, I’m reading all the comments in this particular thread. It makes me laugh. I’ll start with the decision to draft a kicker in the 5th round. It’s the 5th round, how many players are on rosters from the 5th round? Think before you answer, you will always have those ones that GM’s pass on and they miss until later rounds. Okay, so Licht to a kicker in the 5th rd and? Now let’s say they took a OG with this pick and the guy never winds up on the roster. Now let’s say the kicker works out and the Bucs finally end their kicking woes!!!! The Draft is pretty much a crap shoot anyways so who the Hell cares they took a flyer on the best kicker in the draft in the 5th round!!!

    For all the negative crap why are you a fan? Yeah you can voice your opinion but good god. Many are bashing Arians also, the man can coach. He’s proven that, yeah there are picks that we may not care for but did we as fans put in the work to evaluate these players or do you go to your real job everyday which doesn’t include GM, HC, or a Scout for any NFL team. No, I’m not a PR anything I’m just a Bucs fan and have been since “76. Trust me I’ve voiced my disapproval on many things. But not drafting players.

    GO BUCS!!! and best of luck to the new Buc players .

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    • Yeah around here most are negative first…Draft is a crap shoot and will not really know anything till July! Lets go Bucs!

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  33. Chef you realize they could have had . Dalton Risner instead of bunting I heard they were worried in Denver the Tampa Bay needed an offensive lineman and we’re going to take him and cheers went up when they pick the bunting

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  34. I liked most of this draft. The kicker seems dumb to me but will see. 5th rd is a backup or project pick anyways none end up starting and even fewer are around later.

    Bob what are you taking about? As usual stupid negative comments about everything that make no sense. Experts and you didn’t like it? Whatever. You don’t like anything so what’s it matter.

    The first two picks I liked a lot. Experts agreed and most gave B for White and A for Bunting.

    Taking another CB in Dean seemed dumb to me and the draft experts agreed most gave this a C+.

    Safety Edwards was given A.

    So how do experts say this was terrible? B,A,C+,A. I don’t care much about experts They aren’t right anymore than fans typically about draft but you brough it up.

    Who cares about rds 5-7 it’s crap 99% of time. If they found a good kicker at 5 which I’m skeptical at this point they ever will find one, lol, then that’s great.

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  35. I hear a lot of “why are you a fan” if you criticize any of the picks. It’s because we are fans that we criticize the picks. We are sick of losing and shooting ourselves in the foot. Sick of unproductive drafts. I also don’t want to hear the “you can’t tell for at least three years” about these drafts. Well, Licht has been here since 2014 so let’s take a look at these drafts, shall we? Looks for yourself. It seems to be getting worse.

    2014:This is Licht’s second best draft
    Mike Evans–Obviously up there with Sapp and Brooks in terms of great choices in team history.
    Seferian-Jenkins–Character issues all over the place. Terrible person and pick.
    Charles Sims–Not a terrible pick relative to rest of what’s to come…but he’s no longer on the roster either.
    Kadeem Edwards–Never played a game
    Kevin Pamphile–Started for two years and played for 4 with Bucs but never really panned out.
    Robert Herron–Played in only 8 games.

    2015: This is Licht’s best draft
    Winston–All the tools and hard to fault the pick. He’s had glimpses, but WAY too many TO’s to be considered a good pick at this point.
    D. Smith–Still a starter and improved last year. First several years was plagued with too many penalties.
    Marpet–One of Licht’s best picks imo.
    Kwon Alexander–A bit injury prone and made some dumb off field decisions but a great pick by Licht.
    Kenny Bell–never played
    Kalin Clay–Never played w Bucs and only saw action in 22 NFL games
    Joey Iosefa–Never played for Bucs and only 2 games in NFL.

    2016: Here’s where the wheels fall off…terrible draft.
    VHIII–For a first round, I think we can all say this was a bust. Not the worst player ever, but a reserve at best. Injury prone and not very productive.
    Spence–Total bust. This guy must be the best practice player/combine freak in NFL history. It just doesn’t translate to the games.
    Aguayo–Traded up for a kicker that couldn’t kick. Will go down as one of the worst picks in draft history and experts called it that on draft day.
    Ryan Smith–Best pick in this draft…solid reserve.
    Benenoch–Sucks out loud. How is he still on our roster is a bigger question.
    Bond–Reserve player pressed into action due to Kwon’s injury issues. Not a bad pick for so late in the draft.
    Vitale–Never played for Bucs.

    2017: Two nice picks and some questionable ones.
    Howard–Good pick although needs to stay on the field more.
    Justin Evans–Flashes of good play but needs to be more consistent. Some injury concerns. Not a great pick at this point given he was a 2nd rounder.
    Godwin–Great pick; best in this draft imo. I was critical at time given our depth at WR.
    Beckwith–Injury issues coming in and injury issues with Bucs. Not a good pick in retrospect (I’ll admit I was high on Beckwith cause he’s really good when he plays).
    McNichols–Didn’t want to be in Tampa…seems like the Bucs did a poor job scouting as his attitude was terrible. Hasn’t latched on elsewhere either.
    Tu’ikolavatu–Never played a game

    2018: I’ll admit we are a bit early to completely gauge these picks yet but we do have some history to go on
    Vea–Big year for him in 2019 as missing half the season last year was very frustrating. Played well towards the end of the season however.
    Jones–I know some people will disagree with me here, but I’m calling big time bust on Jones. And even if you say “it’s the lines fault” then show me how Licht has addressed that issue in the draft effectively. Has no vision and Barber seems to be able to find some holes while Jones can not.
    MJ Stewart–I don’t think he’ll be on the team in two years. Looked really bad to me last year.
    Carlton Davis–Played well at times but also was a rookie and made his share of mistakes. I’ll reserve judgment.
    Cappa–Hasn’t played enough to really tell what we’ve got here.
    Whitehead–Good pick for late in the draft. I think he’s better then either Davis or Stewart.
    Watson–Young reserve TE…we’ll see. Not a bad pick for late in the draft.
    Cichy–Torn ACL for reserver.

    2019: Haven’t played so I won’t review these folks yet. My issue with the draft was taking a Kicker you could have gotten in round 6 or 7. Drafting 3 DB’s with premium picks when you spent 3 premium picks the year before. I do believe it is an indictment to some degree on VHIII and the 2018 group. You can’t have it both ways especially given how poorly the pre-existing group has played. White was a very good pick imo as was the Edge rusher out of Iowa. I was completely unimpressed with the rest of the draft however. I think Bunting’s tape looked average against average competition. Almost all of his picks were against flutter balls on bad throws and tipped passes. UK safety was picked a round too high also. Only Auburn player was picked where he should be and he has injury issues (see Beckwith comments above). Time will tell but we are in for a long season as our trench play will be subpar on both sides of the ball…again.

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  36. Loved the Devin White pick, dont know much about the Bunting pick, the Dean pick is good, the kid from Kentucky is good. Watched tape on Miller he’s got speed, runs good routes, and has good hands. Know alot about the SEC so getting Beckner in the seventh round was excellent pick. Overall this was a good draft but I wish we would get off the Kickers. This team needed some offensive line and we picked zero, I am hoping and praying that Bruce and the rest of coaching staff have some miracles up their sleeve because this team needs it LOL

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  37. Deja Vu of Dominik/Schiano Era. This reminds me of how they tried to build a defense from the Backside instead of the Front Seven. They drafted S Mark Barron and CB Keith Tandy in 2012 and CB Jonathan Banks in 2013. Traded for CB Darrelle Revis and signed S Dashon Goldson to huge contracts. Barron and Goldson were hard hitting safeties during a time the NFL just started cracking down on hitting receivers. Revis and Banks were supposed to be shut down corners, but receivers had all the time in the world to get open because we couldn’t produce a pass rush. How did that work out?

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  38. Lol at the “look at all you at home general managers”

    Do you guys know this place is for discussions? The great thing about this website that of all the discussion boards I could find on the bucs, this place seems to have some of the most logical thoughts when it comes to talking about our team..we all are fans that wants to win..Jason has warranted his criticism for his past drafts so yes, I am skeptical and will say what I feel about it when I want..not everyone will have the same views but that’s ok because that’s what makes this site work.

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  39. The Bears were looking to draft him this year saying they were going to focus on making their kicking game better and Gay was the best kicker in the Draft. We can’t expect a good kicking game and not do whatever we can to bring in a good one…

    This year we Drafted a lot for need but no matter what our team got better, even if we didn’t get everyone’s favorite picks… So bring on the off-season and let’s see what we got, until then all the crying isn’t gonna do anyone any good…

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  40. Goddamn you guys are crying like a 2 year old that got his toy taken away over a 5th rd kicker! A 5th rd pick is no lock to make the team and with this player at least he was a damn good kicker in college and even won kicker of the year in 2017 and was a finalist in 2018. You really think 5th rounders are locks to make a team? like you are going to get a starting O linemen or D linemen in the 5th round? There maybe 1 or 2 5th rounders that start this year for more than a game or two. Buc’s fans today are literally making me sick to my stomach with all the crying you people do. Like you would have just drafted the best players in every round and every pick would have been a starter for the next 10 years and you would automatically win GM of the decade. You guys are the most delusional people I have ever seen. I have never seen soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many “grown ups” cry over anything like i have seen from bucs fans this year. Literally crying over everything the team did and it wouldn’t have matter who the bucs drafted ya’ll would still be crying over it. Plus its a 5th round pick this is where you start to look at kickers.

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  41. After every draft I usually have “feeling” on how we did. I think many of you guys do too. After the 2015 draft I felt elated because I believed the Bucs nailed it. I felt that way after the 1995 draft also. 2014 seemed okay at the time. I felt great when the team took Hugh Green out of Pitt in the early 80’s. Other years, especially the Gruden years, not so much. With this draft I’m numb. I don’t know what to feel.
    I’m glad we went almost all defense because that’s why we were losing, but I’m not sure of some of the picks.
    I do believe (for those of you who are harping on Meathead) that this was ARIANS’ draft. The coaching staff’s fingerprints are all over this draft. Maybe that’s the way it should be-I don’t know.
    Arians has a history, as does Licht, of picking multiple players from the same position. I don’t have a problem with that necessarily. Remember the 49’s draft in the early 80’s when Bill Walsh selected 4 DB’s and everyone went crazy? All four started that year, two became perennial pro-bowlers, and one went to the HoF.
    For more on this, check out the site below if you have not seen this. It is not comprehensive, but adds some insight into BA’s tendencies.
    https://www.bucsnation.com/2019/2/9/18217473/examining-bruce-arians-draft-history-with-arizona

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  42. Now they got to come up with the money to pay these guys I’m sure the hammer is about to come down on McCoy looks like this nightmare on one Buc Street will continue in the 2020.
    I will be here all season asking fredster for his explanation.

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  43. Usually after thinking about it for a day after a draft I start to justify we may not be as bad as I had thought. Most toughest want to be positive and start finding ways to accept what happened in the draft. The bad vibes for me have not gone away. I’m not comfortable with our defensive line nor our offensive line. I can’t argue the fact we have helped the linebacker and the defensive back positions. Have we improved our red zone defense and our pass rush? I don’t see us pulling out of the cellar this season; in fact we could the worst because all the teams in our Division are still better than us.

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  44. I agree Horse. However, I believe our record will be better simply because we have better coaches, a top 5 offense, and we have improved our defense in terms of quality and speed. However, like you I believe it all begins up front on both sides of the ball.
    Question: what did these new coaches see that we are all missing?

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  45. This is late in the game but you made some very valid points, DAVE.
    Sorry,but I just thought we took one CB to many and should have selected the best guard or tackle on the board.
    The team needs competition at the kicking spot but I don’t think the guy we picked was anywhere close to getting chosen in the draft and could have been had as a FA.
    Other than that I have no problem with the draft.
    It was a coin flip on the first round selection.
    Whatever the case, it looked like Arians was in complete agreement with the kicker selection from what the Bucs war room cam was showing.

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  46. @76Buc: I remember every one of the Drafts. I especially remember all of the ones for which we had traded away our first choice or wasted it on some guy named Bo. I remember screaming at the TV to take Ronnie Lott and then we promptly took Hugh Green. I remember getting both Sapp and Brooks and the ‘C’ grade that followed from the “experts”. I remember drafting players whose names weren’t even listed in Mel’s Big Book. “Who Dat” indeed. I remember how the so-called experts’ studs ended up duds and visa versa. What I learned by that is today is way too early for any of us to judge the ultimate outcome and that the “experts” spewing their opinions as stone cold facts are often dead wrong. Folks here are bemoaning virtually every choice. Me, I have learned to wait and see.

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  47. Scubog, I would expect nothing less than what you stated. I too hope we can pull out of the cellar. I don’t trust this organization anymore. I hope the Coaches will make a difference; I know Jason Licht has had 6 drafts to do something about improving the team. He has one 9-7 year; the rest have been horrible.
    Of course I will root for the Bucs; they’re my team and always will be. Go Bucs!

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  48. Scubog, I agree. Like they say, “wait until 3 years to judge a draft”. Wise words indeed. OBTW, I wanted Hugh Green as a compliment to Lee Roy in our pass rush. I would have settled for Lott.

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  49. What does is say about the way that the Bucs think that the 1st offensive player they take in the Draft is a kicker! The OL has been ignored predominantly for years. The RB situation is mediocre at best and with no OL in front will continue to struggle. Who’s the Back-up LT or Center if either gets hurt. Where is the quality depth? A Kicker in the 5th was a luxury pick the Bucs could ill afford. Warren Sapp posted this. In 2018 the Bucs Kickers did not cost the Bucs a single game. Santos missed 2 FG since being acquired. Both of them where in the same game against Washington.

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  50. J dont think this is a bad draft, and I dont have anything against the kicker from Utah. He is suppose to be a very good kicker. What I was confused about was why didnt we address the O Line, why didnt we invite some undrafted O line to tryout with us? Maybe the coaches see something or know something that I dont. I would have been happier if we would have drafted or invited some O line to camp.

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  51. I have seen this kicker several times as I live in Az and watch all ASU and a lot of Pac 12 Games out here and this kicker is very good he has a strong leg and pretty accurate well worth a 5th round selection every other choice besides White I say HMM I don’t know about that one

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