The PR Bucs Monday Mailbag is where PewterReport.com’s Mark Cook answers your questions from our Twitter account. You can submit your question each week via Twitter using the hashtag #PRMailbag.

Below are the questions we chose for this week’s edition of the PR Bucs Monday Mailbag.

Question: Will the free agency game plan will be different than last year by signing one or two big free agents? Or should we expect more one-year, prove-it deals since that worked fairly well for them?

Answer: The Bucs’ free agency plan this year will be trying to find a way to keep their own guys, particularly outside linebackers Shaq Barrett and Jason Pierre Paul and defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. Sometimes a team’s biggest and best free agent haul is simply re-signing its own guys.

Bucs DT Ndamukong Suh
Bucs DT Ndamukong Suh – Photo by: Getty Images

Think about it. Had Barrett stayed with the Broncos last season and notched 19.5 sacks, wouldn’t he be the biggest free agent on the defensive market this year? And wouldn’t Bucs fans be ecstatic if the team were able to lure him to Tampa Bay? Well Barrett would be the biggest free agent on the defensive market if he makes it to March 18 without being re-signed. And had Pierre-Paul or Suh been with other teams last year and the Bucs signed them this season to go along with Barrett, that would be considered a big splash and a great free agent haul by most.

The one-year prove-deals did work out really good for the Buccaneers last season and I expect it to be the same this season with some new players. I don’t see any big names (other than Tampa Bay’s own players) that they might go after. That doesn’t mean the Bucs won’t, especially if they decide to move on from Jameis Winston as a new quarterback after five years would send shockwaves through the Tampa Bay area. At that point the Bucs would really have to spend some money, and probably a hefty amount, to find a replacement.

Question: Is it likely that the Bucs could pick up a ‘good’ veteran QB on a deal that would also allow them to covet a running back like David Johnson, or Melvin Gordon, given the contracts that they are currently carrying? I’m guessing it might need to be no more than $20 million per year for a new QB for that plan to be viable.

Answer: Here is a name to keep an eye on – Las Vegas’ Derek Carr. There is more and more rumbling of Tom Brady going to the relocated Raiders, and while it is far from definite, if it were to happen, then Carr is the obvious odd man out.

Carr doesn’t push the ball down the field like Jameis Winston does, but he hasn’t been asked to in Jon Gruden’s West Coast offense. I think he has adequate arm strength to play in the Bucs offense, and he is still fairly young, but with a lot of game experience. He has all the intangibles Arians likes in a quarterback and he isn’t going to throw 30 interceptions.

Raiders QB Derek Carr
Raiders QB Derek Carr – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

I don’t know that he throws for 5,000 yards, but I think Arians would take a 4,000-yard, 20 TDs / 9 INTs guy all day long. And that is what Carr has averaged over the last two years, while completing 69 percent of his passes. In 2015, Carr nearly threw for 4,000 yards with a career-high 32 touchdowns and just 13 interceptions. In fact, Carr hasn’t thrown more than 13 interceptions in any of his six NFL seasons. That has to have some appeal after seeing Winston toss a league-high 30 last year.

In a 30-24 overtime win against the Bucs in Tampa Bay in 2016, Carr completed 67.8 percent of his passes for 513 yards with four touchdowns and no interceptions. He also ran for a touchdown to account for nearly all of the scoring that day, as general manager Jason Licht looked on.

Carr could be the piece of the puzzle that would allow the Bucs to keep their defense intact, as he only has a $21.5 million cap hit in 2020. Just keep an eye on Carr if the Bucs decide to move on from Winston and the Raiders pursue and succeed in landing Brady.

Question: With all the talk of Miami drafting Tua Tagovailoa, would/should the Bucs be interested in trading for Josh Rosen? At worst he could be an excellent back-up for a mid-round pick who could be a bridge QB and at best he could be the full time starter.

Answer: I really have no idea what the Bucs thought of Josh Rosen coming out of college, but I don’t think he has shown enough in his first two seasons for the Bucs to make a trade. They really value their draft picks and unless it was in the sixth- or seventh-round range, I don’t think they would even consider making a move for a player that two teams have given a shot to be their long-term starter but it didn’t work out with either.

I understand the Arizona situation, as Kliff Kingsbury wanted Skylar Murray, but Rosen didn’t show a lot to the Dolphins organization in his limited opportunities last year as Ryan Fitzpatrick was the better of the two QBs.

And with Bruce Arians’ age and desire to win now, a bridge quarterback doesn’t make sense. I think the next starting quarterback for the Bucs, whether it is Jameis Winston or someone else, will be viewed as a long-term solution.

Question: I know Bruce Arians said some of Jameis Winston’s INTs were not his fault, but I haven’t seen analysis on how many picks would have occurred had defender not dropped the ball or receiver not deflected a horrible pass. Have you guys done that analysis? If so, what is the “adjusted” interception number?

Answer: We didn’t do the analysis, but a league source told us at the Senior Bowl that Winston would have led the NFL in dropped interceptions – according to that team’s independent calculations – with 15 that were deemed to be near picks. So even if you take into account the ones that you could perhaps blame on other factors besides Jameis Winston’s mistakes – around 14 if we’re being generous – then he is still around that 30-interception mark, which is unacceptable.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

But the more I think about it, and the more I try and use reason and logic, I would still bring Winston back for another season. On the surface, 30 interceptions is bad. Really bad. But a QB don’t throw for 5,109 yards if he isn’t talented. Just look at the NFL’s 5,000-yard club.

Where are the scrubs? In 100 years of NFL football, eight players have done what Winston did last season, and most of them are in the Hall of Fame or will be in the Hall of Fame. That is really remarkable.

Prior to this season, Winston’s highest interception total was 18. Why would he be worse five years into a career? Winston is never going to be a 10-interceptions-per-year kind of guy. I think we would all agree on that. But had he thrown just 18 last year, which I think would be a more likely number in 2020, the Bucs are in the playoffs. Does Tampa Bay win a Super Bowl with a QB that throws 18 INTs in the regular season? Not likely according to Scott Reynolds’ really interesting data research from his latest SR’s Fab 5 column.

While neither Winston nor the Bucs have officially confirmed it, it appears he played part of the year with a torn meniscus in his knee, and we all know about the broken thumb. Does a healthier Winston throw 30 interceptions?

This isn’t an FSU bias, but I have spent a ton of time thinking about whether Tampa Bay should bring him back – debating it and going back and forth in my own head, and getting input from others about it. In my opinion, the Bucs should give him another year. I have seen Doug Williams, Steve Young and even Trent Dilfer win Super Bowls after leaving the Buccaneers, and I have little doubt we will see Winston at some point hoisting a Lombardi Trophy with another team if Tampa Bay moves on. I don’t want to see that happen.

Mark Cook currently is the director of editorial content and Bucs beat writer and has written for PewterReport.com since 2011. Cook has followed the Buccaneers since 1977 when he first began watching football with his Dad and is fond of the 1979 Bucs team that came within 10 points of going to a Super Bowl. His favorite Bucs game is still the 1979 divisional playoff win 24-17 over the Eagles. In his spare time Cook enjoys playing guitar, fishing, surfing and family time at the beach. In addition, Cook can be found in front of a television or in Doak Campbell any time the FSU Seminoles are playing. Cook is a native of Pinecrest in Eastern Hillsborough County and has written for numerous publications including the Tampa Tribune, In the Field and Ya'll Magazine. Cook can be reached at [email protected]

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Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

Kind of selfish there Cookie.
I would wish Winston the Best wherever he went, just not against my Bucs!

Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

I do like the point about Derek Carr!
I am not sure if Gruden would do it or what would be the asking price but it’s intriguing. Carr is solid QB!

CrackerBall
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CrackerBall

I can think of worse fates for us… Carr’s contract is reasonable.

Charlie
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Charlie

Why does every media outlet and football mind want to acknowledge and praise Jameis for throwing for 5k yards but never wants to acknowledge that the other QBs who have, did it while playing in a much more difficult era of football? You’re seriously comparing this guy to Dan Marino and Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Roethlisberger etc? You’re delusional. Most of the throws the league ALLOWS him to make (alot of deep throws down the middle and even alot to the sidelines) wouldn’t be there for him to make when those QBs accomplished the feat. In other other words, as… Read more »

BUC-ASS-BOB
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BUC-ASS-BOB

Jameis has a lot of dropped INTs because the other team defense does not expect him to throw ball into there numbers they act surprised and upset with them self for not grabbing easy Int. Derik Carr would be dream come true for Bucs, solid QB play is a must in a Bruce Arians offense.

BUC-ASS-BOB
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BUC-ASS-BOB

It is very possible Brady would go to Raiders, Gruden one of only 2-3 coaches with high enough football IQ to communicate with Tom.
Carr however would be sought after by 10 teams his price will be high.

FLBoy84
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FLBoy84

Gotta say that whole Williams, Young and Dilfer theme is so overworked. No question Culverhouse was a racist, a bigot, and an idiot. Doug only completed 47% of his passes as a Buc, wasn’t signed by another NFL team after his release, had to play in the USFL for two years and then joined up with his ex-OC Joe Gibbs in Washington as a backup initially. His storied playoff SB run is an awesome story, but he was also 0-2 as a starter that same season too. Young’s situation was a bit different. The Bucs went 3-16 with him as… Read more »

Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

Hard to argue against facts, they sometimes hit you right between the eyeballs!
The Ravens only needed someone who would not loose the game for them and I can imagine Ray Lewis & Goose giving Dilfer “The Look”. Lol
Interesting because Dilfer had the same Hero complex that Winston has when he was here. Even with a couple HOf’s on defense Dilfer felt as though he had to make a play. I credit The rookie Shaun King for actually proving to Dilfer that he was not that important. Great Point flboy!!

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

“Loose” is what your unbuckled belt is.

Losing is what losers do when they “lose”.

English is hard.

CrackerBall
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CrackerBall

Everybody here knows what he meant… why are you the way you are?

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

You’re one to talk!!!! Plenty of times you’ve been an insulting prick for no good reason!

CrackerBall
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CrackerBall

There he is…

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

@flboy84 You make a good point: Most QBs mature during their second contract like Williams, Young, Dilfer, Roethlisberger, etc.

Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl in his 2nd yr a has been great ever since, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl by yr 7 as a backup and remained a backup until retirement. The Bucs absolutely made the right call letting him walk. He was a Bust!

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Ben Rothlisberger was 9 for 21 for 123 yards and 2 interceptions in the SuperBowl you referenced.

Ben Rothliberger has a higher interception rate per passing attempt than Winston in his first 5 years. 3.61 vs 3.45. I have linked this stat multiple times.

Winston has done better individually. Ben had Bettis, Willie Parker, Hines Ward, Nate Washington, Antwan Randle El on offense and a stout defense Farrior, Foote, Polomalu, Hampton and Harrison.

Check out the link bud.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200602050pit.htm#all_player_offense

Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

That link you posted is from Big Ben & the Steelers 05’ Super Bowl Win. Since Winston has never been to one or the playoffs for that matter Where is your proof that Winston is better than Ben Roethlisberger? I can hardly wait for this!!!

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Its too bad Winston wasn’t drafted by a Bucs team that had Bill Cowher, Russ GRimm, Ken Whisenhunt and Bruce Arians as its offensive coaches. It stinks he couldn’t lean on veteran players on offense like Jerome Bettis, Willie Parker, Hines Ward, Nate Washington, Antwan Randle El, Heath Miller and Alan Faneca. Its also too bad Winston didn’t have a defense that featured Troy Polamalu, Casey Hampton, Brett Keisel, Kimo van Oelhoffen, Deshea Townsend, Ike Taylor, Larry Foote, James Farrior and James Harrison. It a crying shame that Winston doesn’t have the loyal Steelers fan base that travel the country… Read more »

Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

“IF we take away last seasons Int’s” when “Arians forced Winston to throw it 626 times”, Then we can say “Winston is Better than Big Ben”😂😂

Let me get this straight, so you want us to just erase History when everybody’s eyeballs saw Winston throw all 30 picks, 7 pick 6 & multiple fumbles. Just so we can arrive at the conclusion that “Winston is better than Big Ben”. Hilarious!!!!

I feel like watching an episode of Men in Black. Maybe they can hit all of us Bucs fans with that “Neuralyzer” so that we can Forget What We Just Saw!

FLBoy84
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FLBoy84

Thanks SB, though have NO idea how you glean that from my post above. But knock yourself out man lol

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Im all set man. QB’s get better over time and with a good supporting cast including home field advantage. Winston has had little to none of that. Poor guy has been stuck in Tampa as a do-it-all savior! I’ve never seen one man beat eleven by himself. I wouldn’t blame Winston if he couldn’t wait to get to a loyal fan base with knowledgable fans instead of trolls.

Its a bucs life.

matador
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matador

Dilfer matured? As an announcer maybe. That’s like laying down a bottle of Woodbridge to age. When you open it, it’s still Woodbridge

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

So as a player, Winston is equal to Dilfer?

Ok. I think you’ve been opening your vintage Woodbridge a bit too much.

scubog
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scubog

Seems none of us knew what the future held for the long line of QB’s who left here only to have at least some success elsewhere. I know I’m weary of it happening again.

Horse
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Horse

Mark, got to believe they have seen enough evaluation of Winston to make their decision; Arians has hinted already to the answer.

Alldaway 2.0
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Alldaway 2.0

I agree.

Build the defense up and find a way to keep adding to the skill positions. Arians wants a more complete team for 2020. HC Arians is thinking the bigger picture.

MizzouBucs24
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MizzouBucs24

Would someone explain to me why trading up to get Tua is not an option. He was the best QB prospect before his injury, now they say hes healthy. He has the best deep ball in college for the last 3 years. It’s the most important position in all of sports. How many picks would it take? If he’s a guy that can be your franchise QB for the next 15 years, what’s that worth. The chiefs traded up for Mahomes, the Texans traded up for Watson and I bet they don’t regret it. To me it’s either franchise tag… Read more »

Gatordoc1
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Gatordoc1

suspect that Litch does not want to pay the price in draft picks to move up that far. We’d have to trade our first this year and next and some more to get high enough to guarantee getting Tua.

MizzouBucs24
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MizzouBucs24

So. If Tua is that good does it matter what it takes. If we would have used that draft capital to draft Mahomes would anyone care at this point. It does us no good to draft RT or sign pass rushers if the QB can’t win. Very few teams have won a Super Bowl with a QB they did not draft in the last 20 years. If you have the QB in place then you can worry about the rest. But without the right QB nothing else really matters when comes to winning rings.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

But Tua isn’t that good. He will redshirt his first year in the NFL after sustaining serious injuries and surgeries. That’s why Miami makes sense. They have 3 first round picks and with Fitzpatrick for 1 more season, they can be patient while they lose in 2020, ready to compete in 2021.

matador
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matador

But Winston isn’t that good. Why are we willing to waste a 6th year on Winston who has the same flaws he had when he came into the NFL, and not a developmental year on Tua? That does not compute.

Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

Agreed I brought this up the other day mizzou!
I would go up to get Tua, I believe that he’s just that talented. The problem is I think Licht covets those draft picks too much and would never do it. I remember when the Falcons gave Cleveland what ever they wanted to move up to take Julio Jones and he hasn’t disappointed. I say let’s make it happen!

Charlie
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Charlie

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?sort=passyds
Doesn’t take long that he was tied for the most passing attempts in the league last year to go with those 5k yards. 626?! That’s not elite or even promising QB play lol.

cgmaster27
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cgmaster27

6 other qbs also threw over 600 pass attempts, how many of them even broke 4500 yards? Just 1. A little context next time Charlie, its actually is impressive what jameis did.

Alldaway 2.0
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Alldaway 2.0

Arians and Moore will have made the decisions already with the Glazers. They can argue that they are waiting to see which QB’s hit FAs near the deadline. But I think they already know the value of all the QB’s and have decided a strategy of using the extra cap space to build the team further up.

Charlie
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Charlie

Furthermore BA our HEAD COACH has coached 2 of those players on that list. So he’s seen what it takes to actually achieve greatness in this league. And like you discussed on the podcast at various points towards the end. Bruce Arians came out of retirement, pretty much stoked on Jameis Winston and now…he’s shall we say a little more than unsure. So to go back to you at another point during the season, if you’re not 100% in on your QB, which it seems the team isn’t…then he should be gone. We improved in every area of our football… Read more »

Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

Great Point Charlie!
Continue to build this defense and go and pick up Game Manager like Jacoby Brissett. I can live without Superman at Quarterback, I just need my QB to not loose the game every time.

cgmaster27
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cgmaster27

Cap do you remember mike glennon? How did that game manager work out? Trent dilfer? Shawn king? Game managers will never win you games. You think you can win with a game manager with this running game? The only “game managers” that made the playoffs this year, played behind elite running games and top 10 defenses. You all act like we have the 2002 bucs defense and warrick dunn back there.

Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

CG Shaun King was one Burt Emanuel bad call away from having us in the Super Bowl!!! But I will agree that you have to have a solid running game and that starts up front with the Oline. However you can’t have a QB throwing picks to start every game like Winston… Sorry That Just can’t Happen!! Here’s a list of “Game Managers” won a Super Bowl in the modern era: 2012 Eli Manning 2013 Joe Flacco 2014 Russell Wilson 2016 Brock Osweiler 2018 Nick Foles Personally I hate using the term “Game Manager” because of the negative connotation that… Read more »

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Wrong again bud. Here is the list of 5k passers:
Marino, Brees, Brady, Manning(in Denver), Stafford, Mahomes, Winston

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_quarterbacks_with_5,000_passing_yards_in_a_season

MiltonMack21
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MiltonMack21

Winston holding up a Lombardi trophy? Maybe as a backup. He will lose you a playoff game.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero
CrackerBall
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CrackerBall

Ha… no East Carolina on our schedule in the NFL. Winston has the exact same issues he had in his pre-Draft scouting reports – in Year 5

FLBoy84
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FLBoy84

Sad, but true. Was eerie how both his strengths and weaknesses (except the lack of athleticism) were still almost exactly the same as when he came into the league. Can’t say how that compares to other guys like Carr, Tannehill, Bridgewater, etc. . While none can do anything about the physical limitations they may have had coming into the league, have to think every one of them should’ve been able to improve the mental part of their scouted weaknesses after being in the league for 5 years. Winston seems to have failed to have done so at all. Here’s a… Read more »

Spitfire
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Spitfire

I know some may not think being near sided could affect Winston’s game that much but, having near sided family members that played sports, It sounds like there’s no way it doesn’t affect him. When there are 21 other players running around at different distances, you can’t tell me it doesn’t make it difficult to focus and have pinpoint accuracy. I think having LASIK is going to help his game a lot more than people seem to think.

Horse
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Horse

If he has a astigmatism in one or both eyes don’t know if lasers would take care of it.

Charlie
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Charlie

Another great point Spitfire…seriously, this dude is a professional athlete?! You don’t see dudes in the NBA or NHL that are squinting like that cause they can’t see! What a ridiculous joke this guy is….it’s funny to realize now that he’s probably gonna get back on the field and have to relearn the offense now that he can actually see. Time we don’t have in this organization. Jameis is straight weird bro…this dude is just weird.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

4 more years! 4 more years!

Point blank- Winston is the best QB in franchise history. Period. Tua, Eason, Love, Carr, Dalton, Rivers, and even Brady wouldn’t be close to Winston in this offense.

Arians and Licht will re-sign Winston. Winston is a perfect fit in Arians offense. He is the closest QB to Luck, Rothlisberger, Palmer, and Manning.

Also, Derek Carr?! Derek Carr isn’t awful for a backup but even Gruden is ready to move on. Carr and his stats (that many of you are fawning over) seem to mean very little to Gruden. That should be telling.

Dman
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Dman

Carr hasn’t been the same since the broken ankle/leg. He played well for Jack Del Rio. Not sure what has happened since then.

Alldaway 2.0
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Alldaway 2.0

Carr has seen a Raiders defense lose a lot of talent while they new players are inexperienced. Also coaching stafff changes along with the franchise moving and he is lost in the shuffle.

Plus, on offense the Raiders have lost talent while adding in talent to try to off set losses.

Overall, Carr is going to be a stud if he goes to a team loaded with weapons.

surferdudes
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Lovie Smith passed on Carr in the draft his first year as HC. The following year he drafted Jameis who he couldn’t get Tenn ready. Carr should of been a Buc a long time ago.

scubog
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scubog

I was hoping the Bucs would draft him too.

Charlie
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Charlie

BigSombrero if you don’t think that any Brady, Rivers, Carr or even Tua could succeed in BAs offense…I can’t take you seriously lol

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Tom Brady is 43 and it showed last year. You think Licht will throw $30+ million at him? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

Phillip Rivers was cut by LA because he’s toast. 20 interceptions in an offense that utilized RB and TE dump off passes primarily.

Derek Carr isn’t even as good as Brian Griese.

Andy Dalton is literally a backup now.

Tua will redshirt his first year in the NFL. Arians and Licht want to win now.

It’s you who can’t be taken seriously! You guys have illogical solutions.

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

I love the constant argument “bUt hEs ThE bEsT qB N fRaNChIsE hIStOry”.

The tallest midget award.

Almost as sad as the “but if we let him go, he’ll win a SB with another team” take.

Derp, derp, derpity derp.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

It’s gonna be hilarious when this story ends with Winston getting a long term deal in Tampa like Donovan Smith. It will be even funnier when the Bucs are in the playoffs next year and all you geniuses who wanted every other QB are backtracking about how Jameis was the QB you really wanted. SMH.

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

Care to show me the list of “all the other QB’s I wanted”?

And, for someone who claimed Trent Richardson had a great rookie season and that you would throw $28M+ at Taysom Hill…I’d pump the brakes on questioning others football acumen.

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

On a side note, I’m glad you think that resigning D Smith to a Top-5 LT contract is hilarious.

Though, the term comical would be more appropriate.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Tampa’s line was ranked in the top 10 by many. D.Smith was a key ingredient as the left tackle. Show me where the line was ranked poorly? Trent Richardson was voted #71 on the NFL’s Top 100 after his rookie season. That is voted on by players only, not fans. He was traded to Indy for a first round draft pick. He fell apart in Indianapolis with clubbing and late night sex parties. Taysom Hill may not command the overinflated contract I gave a “hot-take” on, but that guy has more upside than Brissett, Garropolo, and Foles who were paid… Read more »

Captain Sly
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Captain Sly

“Offensive Line Ranked in the top 10”
Our offensive line was the highest paid line in the NFL, we should have been #1. (Unacceptable)
That’s the equivalent of paying for a Mercedes and driving away in a Ford. Nobody’s Good with that!

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

You’re really bad at this. Tampa had the 7th rated line and the 10th highest salary. Its like buying an entry level Mercedes and getting the mid level trim on that Mercedes.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offensive-line/

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Tampa spent 38.5M on the line, which is only slightly above average cost of 34.5M.

Las Vegas spent the most on the line: 62.9M or 24.4M dollars more than Tampa.

Minnesota and New England spent the 27th and 28th most which was just under $28M each and are the lowest spending teams to make the playoffs. That is a difference of $10.5M.

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

A Top-10 offensive line (by many)you say? Well, I’m guessing one of your main sources is PFF. Which, ironically enough, has D Smith ranked lower than…wait for it…the premier RT known as Dotson. PFF actually had D Smith ranked in the bottom half of all qualifying tackles, but you are boasting that he’s worth the 7th highest paid tackle contract in the league. Solid take. Ah…Trent Richardson. The guy you claim had a great rookie year. The 3rd overall pick who couldn’t crack the 1K rushing mark and who averaged a blistering 3.6 yards per carry. But, HEY! He did… Read more »

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Where were Barber and RoJo rated well by any organization? Were those guys on the Top 100? How about Obunbawale and TJ Logan? Of course the Bucs couldn’t run the ball. They have shitty running backs, not a bad offensive line. The Bucs offensive line was paid fairly at 4 million more than league average considering age, experience and the fact that only 1 starter is on his first contract. It was only 10.5 million more than the Patriots/Vikings who were in bottom 5 of O-Line salary. Its not debatable. These are facts! I included the link above so you… Read more »

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

Were Barber and RoJo on the Top-100? You got me there, buddy. They didn’t make the cut on a list voted by peers. If you care to continue to double down on the stupid, then by all means, go ahead. #3 overall pick who couldn’t crack 1K yards and averaged 3.6 per… …bUt hE MadE tHe toP 100 liST…hE HaD a GReaT rOokIe yeAr…. And congrats on the “facts” you’re putting out there regarding the O-Line salaries. You really outdid yourself, kiddo. Trying to use it as a means to claim they’re not the problem with our run game is… Read more »

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

You’re funny bud. Let me be crystal clear. I don’t care about Trent Richardson. Never did. The only reason his name came up weeks ago was the premise that teams get more immediate impact from RB or DE than OL. Last year 4 offensive tackles were drafted in the 1st round and none were very good if they even played at all. Bruce Arians has said when you draft an offensive lineman, you’re drafting him for the NEXT coach. Why did he say that? He knows it takes them a while to adapt to huddling, line calls/changes, 3 point stance,… Read more »

matador
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matador

D Smith a key ingredient in yet another losing season. That’s true. Who bought all these groceries anyway?

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

With fans like you guys, who needs home games?

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

Lol @ the “I would think a true football fan would understand this basic principle”.

Yeah, you’re clearly showing that high-level football acumen while banging the drum for investing premium draft capital into RB’s. Lolz…

Guess the 49’ers missed the memo. Clearly has FAR more to do with RB talent than it does with scheme, play-calling, and o-line talent.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Great point about the 49ers going from worst to first with a stable of mediocre running backs.

Cincy and Detroit have picked more offensive lineman in the first round than any other NFL team in the last 5 years. How’d that work out for them?

I guess their RBs don’t suck enough or can we expect a Detroit vs Cincinnati Super Bowl in Tampa this year??

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

”Cincy and Detroit have picked more offensive lineman in the first round than any other NFL team in the last 5 years. How’d that work out for them”

Umm…more playoff appearances than the Bucs.

“I guess their RBs don’t suck enough or can we expect a Detroit vs Cincinnati Super Bowl in Tampa this year”

Remember to call San Fran and KC and let them know they’ll never get to a Super Bowl with a collective bunch of undrafted players.

I’m sure they’ll ask for your resume.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Hey Negative Nancy, every team has undrafted players on the roster. Is there a point or are you just gonna continue to ramble nonsense in random quotes?

I’m right about the Bucs a lot more than Im wrong. So much winning! Sorry Negative Nancy!

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

I’ll let you get back to greeting customers as they enter Walmart.

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

“Hey Negative Nancy, every team has undrafted players on the roster. Is there a point or are you just gonna continue to ramble nonsense in random quotes?”

Clearly, I was referring to RB’s, as that was the topic of our exchange. If you couldn’t see that, then your either intellectually dishonest or a total dipshit. My money is on the later.

”I’m right about the Bucs a lot more than Im wrong”

I’m sure you are, Princess.

“I’ll let you get back to greeting customers as they enter Walmart”

Weaker than your gym routine.

White flag acknowledged, BigSombrero.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

White flag indeed. I give up talking with you. Debating with you is pointless as you offer no solutions, insight, unique perspective or direction, just disagreement and insults. I didn’t see who you think the Bucs will sign in free agency because you havent said anything because you don’t know. I didn’t see who you thought the Bucs will draft because you dont know. I didnt see your stat arguments because you “haven’t looked into the advanced metrics”. Its always the same with you: AnY One iS bEttER thAN WinsTOn and dRaFt AnY Ot iN ThE dRafT. Derpy, derpy derp.

Horse
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Horse

Question: Is Winston worth $30,000,000 as a Top 5 QB?

bucscriv
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bucscriv

Just my opinion….but no one is worth that much money for a sport we played as kids. Don’t get me wrong I think if someone wants to pay you that much then good for you. Especially in a sport as violent as football. Most players retire before or at 40. Of course there are a few exceptions, but most look like they are at least 10yrs older than they are and have multiple health problems after said and done….and still have a long life to live. For me you can get by with a game manager and win super bowls… Read more »

iowabucs
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iowabucs

Winston’s 5000 yards are not a legit 5000 yards. Take in to account all the garbage time yards he is getting when the defense is playing soft just letting time run out. He also wouldn’t have to throw the ball that much if the bucs weren’t down early in games because of him. Please do an analysis on how many of his yards came when the Bucs were trailing and needing multiple scores. I have a strong feeling it would be pretty revealing.

cgmaster27
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cgmaster27

Why don’t you do the work since you’re the one asking? The garbage yards excuse is overused. The bucs werent out of any games this year outside of maybe the carolina game in london and the saints game. And what if the garbage yards are because in the first half of the season our defense was historically bad? So youre behind because your defense cant catch a cold ,so you have to throw.

JJ
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JJ

The fact that he’s throwing to the best WR duo has nothing to do with his success right? JW has talent, no doubt, albeit annoying but Evan’s and Godwin do work and I believe having those 2 WR’s on anyone’s team would make their QB look like A stud.

awwdembucs
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awwdembucs

JJ Absolutely!!

scubog
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scubog

Or is it the other way around? Depends on your agenda.

matador
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matador

Not when you watch his ball placement. Then it’s crystal clear which players are making the other one look better than he is. On a team with 6’ receivers Winston would have already been cut

awwdembucs
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awwdembucs

Boy O Boy there are alot of opinions with this article.
Evans and Godwin can make ALOT of QB’S look great. IMO the Bucs should sign Barrett and hopefully JPP, Suh can be replaced.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Hunter Henry, and Melvin Gordon plus Bosa, Ingram, Derwin James on defense can make a lot of QB’s look great too.

FLBoy84
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FLBoy84

LOL Please feel free to compare the Chargers or Raiders defensive stats to the Bucs and let us know what you find. Couple of simple stats from Football Outsiders Run D/Pass D rankings & PFF OL rankings: Bucs 2nd-RunD/20th-PassD/7th-OL, LAC 20th-RunD/25th-PassD/29th-OL, OAK 4th-RunD/27th-PassD/15th-OL. Crazy I know… right??? Just looking at those numbers, with the rationale many like to use, Rivers and Carr should BOTH have worse numbers than Winston. At some point some of you guys are going to realize the whole “we have a dumpster fire OL and Defense” excuse for Winston’s struggles really doesn’t stand up when you… Read more »

FLBoy84
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FLBoy84

And to be fair, it’s so easy and common to hyper-focus on just the Bucs since they’re our local team. Believe we tend to be more overly critical of them and their performance based on the score of the game rather than the actual numbers behind it. Also think we tend to just look at the names on the back of the other team’s jersey’s around the league sometimes and automatically assume they’re a great OL, defense etc. without that actually being true.

Dman
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Dman

If Jameis really played with a torn meniscus, plus the broken thumb, damn, how do you not love and admire this guy’s toughness and desire to win. He didn’t have a defense until midway through the season, never had a running game [lots of blame for that – O line, play calling. I’m less critical of the RB’s than others on this board…], spotty kicking game and terrible special teams [Our guys couldn’t return a loaf of bread – with the receipt.] BA has to figure out how to deal with the decision making – make the throw, take the… Read more »

matador
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matador

What about the rest of the five years of bad decisions staring receivers down poor ball placement holding the ball too long trying to be Superman every play and bone headed turnovers?

Charlie
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Charlie

Yeah and you’re a goone if you think they are even in the same realm as a duo of Godwin/Evan’s like I said, can’t take you seriously bud. The Bucs have the best set of WRs in the league hands down. You could inser half the QBs in the league and we’d be in the playoffs. But you know, Captain Squintz averages 24 turnovers a year. AVERAGES

Spitfire
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Spitfire

Trevor 100% did an analysis on Winston’s adjusted INT rate, just not the drooped ones.

thegeebo
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thegeebo

Mark Cook is clearly biased in favor of Winston due to the FSU connection. This team will NOT win a Super Bowl with Winston. And if we aren’t aiming that high, then we need to reevaluate everything in this organization. I have faith in Arians and Bowles, although Leftwich was a very inconsistent playcaller (credit to him for greatly improving our Red Zone offense, but way too many drive killing play calls). I have no faith in Winston being able to cut out the mistakes that kill championship dreams. The dream scenario would be trading for Carr. Advanced analysis shows… Read more »

MizzouBucs24
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MizzouBucs24

So Winston will never win but you rank Carr, Bridgewater, and Rivers over Brady. That makes sense. Lol

awwdembucs
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awwdembucs

thegeebo Carr would look good in Bucs uniform.

owlykat
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owlykat

Carr plays with a bad back. Our great OL ,as some of you think, gave up more sacks on Jameis than any other team in the NFL and if Jameis wasn’t so talented in beating sacks the sack totals would be unbearably BAD! So how long would Carr’s back hold up behind our OL?. Tua definitely would be toast then. We have to build the trenches first! That is why we need to franchise Jameis. This is a year with a good number of top OTs in the draft and we can get one at 14. The Titans will not… Read more »

thegeebo
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thegeebo

Brady would likely be the best of the bunch… For a year. He is the oldest QB in the league, I’m not sure if he would stick around for a 2nd year, and I’m not even sure he would consider Tampa. Carr or Bridgewater could be franchise guys for the long term. Rivers is more likely to come to Tampa and give 2-3 years. But if the Bucs could land Brady for the next 2 years guaranteed, it would be almost impossible to say “no”.

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bucianco

Not sure how many people actually read down this far in the comments, but here goes nuthin… I have bashed Winston, criticized him, praised him, gave statistical comparisons to show he’s not that bad, I have said sayonara several times and swore I’d just fan another team if they kept him, but I’m still here on the virtual fence. After reading all these articles this offseason, and seeing the Peter King video I came to a realization: If Winston still wants to be a Buc, after everything that’s been said by Arians, by the media, by the fans, and by… Read more »

Benjamin
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Benjamin

Jameis deserves a 6th year. Which season was it that they gave him a decent defense for all 16 games? Oh yea not a single one. When was it that Tampa last had a good running game? oh yea 2015. SO to expect any QB to come in and single handed change a franchise from being absolute garbage like the Bucs have been since they fired Gruden in 08 and turning them into a playoff team is asinine. One player will never be the reason why a team instantly become good or great. It takes all 53 players, the entire… Read more »

RascalBuc
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RascalBuc

Ryan Fitzpatrick averaged 295.8 yards per game last year for the Bucs…..over the course of a 16 week season that’s 4725 yards….. which is pretty darn close to 5000 yards…..this coming from a career back up Ryan Fitz Patrick I don’t think it’s too far fetched to expect almost any quarterback to throw for over 4500 yards in this offense and with these receivers….it makes Winstons 5000 yards not as impressive . People also talk about Winston decreasing his interceptions due to many of them not being his fault but if we add the 15 dropped interceptions ….he could’ve actually… Read more »