If we’re realistic about Jameis Winston, all Bucs fans would agree that he’s far from perfect and needs to improve when it comes to protecting the football if this team is ever going to be a Super Bowl contender. Of course, there are varying degrees to which fans believe he’s fallen short of expectations, but anyone who watched Winston play last year knows that 30 interceptions is bad, limiting your own opportunities to score is bad and giving other teams more chances to score is bad, especially with an NFL-record seven pick-sixes. That’s pretty simple.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

There is also plenty of good that comes with having Winston as Tampa Bay’s starting quarterback. He’s an aggressive downfield passer who consistently trusts his receivers and gives them chances to make plays. Flashes of anticipatory, high-degree-of-difficulty throws exist in almost every one of Winston’s games, and he consistently makes plays that not a ton of passers in the NFL can make.

So how do we weigh his brilliance against his blindness as a passer? Could another available quarterback more aptly handle the responsibilities placed on them in Bruce Arians’ offense in 2020?

While this year’s free agency crop of QBs is littered with big names, is any of them a great fit in Tampa Bay? Let’s look at the realistic (and semi-realistic) quarterback alternatives for the Bucs this upcoming season if Tampa Bay wants to go in a different direction and/or the team and Winston cannot agree to contract terms.

1. Philip Rivers

Never the most physically gifted quarterback, Rivers has utilized an unorthodox delivery and uncanny accuracy to carve out a Hall of Fame career despite limited playoff success. His arm is still okay, but not great, and Rivers pushed the ball down the field less last season than he has in the past.

Chargers QB Philip Rivers
Chargers QB Philip Rivers – Photo by: Getty Images

Schematically the fit may be able to work, but does Rivers really represent more success for the Bucs in 2020 than Winston will? What’s the upside to this move? Granted, it is difficult to predict what the 38-year old Rivers will look like away from the disastrous organization that is the L.A. Chargers (and their history of unbelievable losses), but his play was trending in the wrong direction last season, and he isn’t getting any younger.

I tried to think of ways that Rivers was an upgrade over Winston, and even in the one that stands out the most – less turnovers/mistakes – Rivers was still bad last season, throwing 20 interceptions, third-most in the league. Some of Rivers’ turnovers were just as stubborn and shake-your-head worthy as Winston, albeit behind one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL.

One area where Rivers would be an upgrade is that he takes far less sacks than Winston due to his rapid mental processing and stronger desire to play on schedule. Winston isn’t a great athlete, but he’s way more mobile than Rivers and more willingly gives way to an improvisational style of play, which has its blessings and its curses.

Still, if the Bucs’ biggest issue as an offense last season was protecting the football, opting for a slightly less negative with no upside and less chance of the high-end plays that Winston provides makes little sense to me. I don’t think opting for Rivers over Winston would be a disastrous move for the franchise that would mark the difference between 6-10 and 10-6, but I think the evidence we have suggests the better chance for success and growth as an offense would be to tag Winston, who already knows the offense, in 2020 over inking Rivers to a short-term deal.

2. Tom Brady

At age 42, Brady is not “cooked,” but he is declining. Still, he’s probably a Top 15 quarterback at worst right now, and a Top 10 ranking with a bounce-back season isn’t out of sight just yet either. Brady can still zip the ball in tight windows, and he’s still on the top of his game mentally. He’s actually the guy at the top of Tampa Bay’s list – and a lot of QB-needy teams’ lists, too.

Patriots QB Tom Brady - Photo by: Getty Images
Patriots QB Tom Brady – Photo by: Getty Images

Also, if you’re looking for less turnovers you’ve come to the right place, as Brady hasn’t thrown more than 11 interceptions in a season since 2012. In fact, over the past four seasons combined Brady has thrown just 29 total interceptions, or one less than Winston did just this past season (yikes!).

I’m gonna make this simple. If you’re the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and you can get Tom Brady, you get Tom Brady. Period.

Maybe the scheme fit isn’t totally perfect, but Arians needs to find a way to tweak what he has to in order to get Brady on board. Excitement among the Tampa Bay fan base would be at an all-time high, the Glazers would love a sold-out Raymond James Stadium, players in the locker room would be absolutely thrilled, and Brady can still win you games and ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT LOSE THEM for you.

Of course, Brady has to want to come to Tampa, and I apologize if I have my doubts that not only will he want to jump ship in New England, where a playoff berth and division title are virtually guaranteed every year, but that he would also want to come play for a team that, while improving, can’t offer what other suitors have in an offensive line or even a more proven defense.

So, if the Bucs can get Brady, get him. But I think it’s the longest of long shots and I don’t consider it a realistic option for the Bucs right now.

3. Cam Newton, Ryan Tannehill, Matt Stafford and Andy Dalton

Panthers QB Cam Newton – Photo by: Mark Lomoglio/PR
Panthers QB Cam Newton – Photo by: Mark Lomoglio/PR

I just put Stafford here only to address the fact that Detroit isn’t trading him, so forget about that one. If the Lions cut him or traded him he would cost the team $32 million in dead cap money.

Tennessee has been heavily rumored to be prepared to invest big-time in Tannehill, so let the Titans be the ones to make that mistake.

The Bengals want to trade Dalton, but I don’t see the Bucs investing a draft pick in a 32-year QB with a $17.7 million salary that has been mediocre over the past two seasons.

Also, Carolina probably only moves on from Newton if they believe his physical health is a concern moving forward, at which point I would be hesitant to invest much in the star quarterback if I were running the Bucs. A healthy Newton is an upgrade over Winston, but he hasn’t truly been healthy in a long time, and he turns 31 in May. After shoulder surgeries and foot surgeries, Newton is a high-risk prospect that may have to settle for a one-year prove-it deal elsewhere.

4. Teddy Bridgewater, Marcus Mariota and Case Keenum

None of them are better than Winston. And none of them are ideal scheme fits for Arians’ offense either. Also, they all fall short of the physical prototype Arians has typically pursued at quarterback – think Ben Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer and Winston in terms of stature and pocket presence. It’s hard to believe any of them are real options moving forward.

5. The 2020 Draft

I don’t mind this option for the Bucs, but at No. 14 their choices are going to be pretty limited with LSU’s Joe Burrow, Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa and Oregon’s Justin Herbert off the board by then. Those three QBs are going in the Top 10 in the draft, and there is at least a decent chance that a fourth – likely Utah State’s Jordan Love – could work his way in there, too. The Bucs don’t have the ammo to make a big jump up the board without sacrificing the majority of this year’s draft choices and next year’s picks, too.

Utah State QB Jordan Love
Utah State QB Jordan Love – Photo by: Getty Images

If Love is available at 14, the Bucs may consider selecting him, although there is incredible irony in moving on from a 30-30 TD/INT quarterback for one that just threw 20 touchdowns and 17 interceptions playing in the Mountain West Conference. Even if the Bucs were to pull the trigger on Love, that decision would ultimately come after choosing to tag Winston or not. So Winston would still be the Bucs quarterback in 2020, and Love would be waiting in the wings and developing.

Although I seriously doubt it would happen at No. 14, Washington quarterback Jacob Eason could be a Bucs’ target in the second round if the team still has questions at the position when the draft rolls around.

The Verdict

Here is a fact: the Glazers hired Bruce Arians in large part because they believed his gifts working with quarterbacks and his offensive scheme could develop Winston into a player that had a better shot at maintaining his peak play in the league. In my opinion, 2020 was a small step in that direction, while some of Winston’s flaws also became more visible.

Still, what is there to suggest that the Glazers were wrong after this past season?

“Winston threw tons of picks!”

Okay, well he did that before. Winston has always been a maddening quarterback to watch in some ways, but weren’t the highs during last season also higher than they were before? Didn’t he show improvement as a deep ball passer? Wasn’t Winston also better than he’d been before, outside of the turnover-worthy plays and shake-your-head sacks that he occasionally takes?

Bucs QB Jameis Winston and head coach Bruce Arians
Bucs QB Jameis Winston and head coach Bruce Arians – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

I am not saying that Winston is a terrific or even desirable option for the Bucs at quarterback to begin the 2020 season. I am not saying he will ever cut his bone-headed plays in half or that he will become a perennial Pro Bowl passer that everyone envisioned he could when he became the first overall pick in 2015. I am not saying that the Bucs won’t lose any games because of his play next season and his generous nature with the football, because they very well may.

But I am saying that Winston appears to be the best option to start at quarterback for the Bucs in 2020 given Tampa Bay’s current circumstances. Tampa Bay hired Arians to help Winston succeed, and giving up on that process after one year, without a clear plan for upgrades at the position, isn’t a wise decision. Unless Brady comes calling, the Bucs need to tag Winston and give him one more chance as their starting quarterback in 2020.

Jon Ledyard is PewterReport.com's newest Bucs beat writer and has experience covering the Pittsburgh Steelers as a beat writer and analyzing the NFL Draft for several draft websites, including The Draft Network. Follow Ledyard on Twitter at @LedyardNFLDraft

81 COMMENTS

  1. So the best option for the bucs is to accept they wont go to the playoffs or win the super bowl because Winston is not good enough to lead the team to the promise land …I am sick of wait till next year !!

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    • Sorry Ben. You’re just gonna have to wait until next year. Lol.

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      • 🤣

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    • So after all that laid out Ben you still can’t offer a better option than Winston, right? You just want him gone.

      So say that! Say that you just don’t like him and would rather have anyone else but him even if it doesn’t help us improve. Have some courage and show your true lack of fandom and football intelligence.

      Sad….

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      • That’s because he won’t ever offer a better solution buc-philly. His narrative has been the same ever since winston was drafted and before he even threw a pass in the NFL. At least he’s consistent

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  2. I know many of you don’t want to hear it but JW is the best option. Let’s see if the LASIK helps with the INTs.

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    • Throwing 24 picks inside your own 50 and only 6 in the opponents territory has NOTHING to do with eyesight. So his vision magically improves when he crosses the 50? The mentality and decision making are his major issues by far, and no surgery can fix that. Seems likely that no coach can either. It’s can only be fixed by Winston himself, and up to this point he’s proven he’s either incapable or unwilling to do that.

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      • As much as we like to crap on the defense around here so much, they were consistently being put in a worse position than any other D in the league.

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      • While probably a bit of coach-speak, liked BA’s comment from the other day – “To me, it’s the whole defense. You can’t get ‘em all, but … those young guys grew. We can’t let that go. I don’t care who’s my quarterback. We’ve gotta have a defense.”

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  3. Arians offense requires a 7 step drop and weakness have been our offensive line so Brady would not be a good fit, Cam in injury-prone that leaves Philip River as my personal pick also Carson Palmer was on downhill trend but Arians resurrected his career.

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    • Philips Rivers has never a game in his career due to injury

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      • And he threw 20 picks with a weathering arm.

        That’s our answer?? AND he will still command a large salary AND he will have to learn a new offense that does not take advantage of his skill sets.

        No Thank You!

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  4. I couldn’t agree more. Very well said. I like this guy.

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  5. With Jameis being the 29th rated QB there are several better options.
    Put 27 names in a pinata swing with the blindfold on and you have a 100% chance of improving Bucs.
    You have zero chances to be a playoff team with league-leading in INTS
    ZERO!
    Five years he was atop of board for INTS that does not change in 6th even with a pair of eyes installed from the 1 billion dollar man.

    LASIK LOL

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  6. Y’know, it’d be one thing if we could look back and say, “Man, we shoulda drafted Mariota!”, but we can’t because he didn’t work out too well either. We took what Lovie and Licht thought was the best chance at finding a franchise QB at No. 1 and here we are. Winston might still blossom, who knows. But if he doesn’t, and this coming season is just as bad or worse than before, where does this organization go from there? They almost HAVE to draft a QB for grooming, just in case JW flops in year 6. It’s obvious no one will ever give Ryan Griffin a shot at any legitimate playing time so they might as well just let him go and bring in some new meat.

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    • Unfortunately 2015 was literally one of the worst years to draft a QB.

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  7. Basically Ledyard is saying the Bucs and their fans are stuck with the turnover machine. I disagree with him that there are not better options out there in free agency.

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    • Agree- Ledyard writes off Bridgewater too easily. ALL that guy does is win. Forget fit, BA will adept to his talent. Teddy is the right guys for us.

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      • Bridgewater did well in New Orleans like Matt Cassel did in New England for 10 games and then got a big contract and disappeared. He went 6-6 his first season throwing for 14/12 and 11-5 his second year throwing for 14/9 with Pro Bowler Adrian Peterson carrying the team and killing it at RB, didn’t start with the Jets and Lost his only game in 2018. Nobody thought he would do well Last year but the team around him allowed him to. Not saying he wouldn’t work here but it’s not such a given, not to mention a torn ACL that kept him out 19 months. There is a chance he continues on his path from last year but if he is that good, New Orleans isn’t gonna let him go with Brees having only 1 more year at the most.

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    • Definitely appreciate the time he took to sit down and write the article, but other than just giving us his opinion, it didn’t provide any comparison info to back it up. Love the multiple options, but how about we put some comparable numbers behind each guy so we can truly see what differentiates each one. Just a thought.

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      • Numbers can be spun to make any inference we so choose. The eye test says enough about Rivers (20 picks if you want numbers). Brady is unlikely. The rest are no upgrade.

        I’m not sure what more you need…..

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        • Numbers can only be spun to make any inference you want when you only use one or a few (like just using 20 picks). Pick as many parameters as you want. The more you use, the broader picture you’ll get of each guy’s strengths & weaknesses. When you do that you’ll typically be surprised. Take Rivers and Winston over the last 5 years. Rivers is superior to Winston in practically every category that’s tracked, and that’s not hyperbole. Dalton vs Winston for example on the other hand, not so much.

          And love how some just dismiss Rivers by using the 20 picks stat. That’s still TEN less than our guy, and Rivers had 13 less turnovers when including fumbles. Those are not small numbers when you consider only 7 QB’s in the league threw more interceptions than 13 picks in 2020. Is Rivers getting any younger? No, but he’s far from washed up. Personally in favor of bringing him in and adding a rookie either in this draft or next to start in 2022. Rivers hasn’t missed a start in 16 seasons, so he’s far from a brittle old man like some seem to think.

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  8. Why wasn’t Gabbert on this list? Isn’t he the next Tannehill success story? Lol. Just kidding.

    What about Andy Dalton? More kidding!

    Ok, seriously, how’s about Joe Flacco? He won a superbowl!!! Still just kidding.

    It looks like the Bucs and Winston are destined to be together. Let’s hope they make it official with a 4 year deal ASAP!!

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  9. Here is what I think. Since money is limited, I think they should spend as much as necessary to keep the defense together first and then get a OB. A game manager would allow the Bucs to win at least 7 games or more and would not cost a fortune. Winston will not get better. He has had five years to prove me wrong and he has not. Get someone cheap and keep the defense together. Maybe take a shot at the draft.

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    • Why would you go after a game manager just to win 7 games again?

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  10. Wow, they started off poorly. Rivers didn’t push the ball downfield as in past years? This year he had 4.7 deep pass attempts per game. In 2018, he only had 3.9 per game. Then again, unlike some posters here, PW never facts check.

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    • In the last 5 years, Jameis has 88 interceptions.

      In the last 5 years, Rivers has 76 interceptions.

      He is 2nd in the NFL over the last 5 years in turnovers. I included the link so you will know it is a fact.

      https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RivePh00.htm

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      • Better not spit out some facts bigsom..you might upset some folks who want rivers as our qb lol. It’s going to be Winston over rivers and Brady anyways.

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      • BigSombrero, I was simply pointing out in the article is wrong that he clearly threw less than in previous years. I am not saying he would be a better QB. It’s just I am tired of PW using incorrect “facts” in their arguments to prove their point which they do all the time. Might as well read Jobbucsfan if I want that level of journalism. Heck I stopped reading this article since I new right away they will use random facts they pulled out of their behind all through the article.

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        • I should also add, you’re wrong. Blake Bortles hardly played this year and still has 16 more ints than Rivers in that time. I included the link so you will know it’s fact. Also Blake Bortles had 8 more fumbles than Rivers. Too bad they don’t show lost fumbles.

          https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BortBl00.htm

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          • I went to your link. Bortles has 57 Interceptions in the last 5 years and 75 in the last 6 years, both are less than Rivers 76 in the last 5 years.

            I’m not hating on anyone. Rivers throws a lot of interceptions. That’s the only point I’m making. He threw more picks with better RBs, a much better defense, and receivers/tight ends that were arguably as good or better overall than Tampa.

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          • *He threw more picks than anyone (not named Winston) and he did it with better RBs, a much better defense, a HOF tight end, and WRs that were arguably better overall than what Winston had in Tampa.

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        • I dont know who “PW” you are referring to is. I didn’t include the fact/stat link to be snarky. I only included it so you could verify the info. I didn’t cherry pick it. The main reason anyone thinks Winston should be replaced is his INTs. Not completion %, rushing yards, or whatever…

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          • That is a complete mischaracterization of the problem. It’s NOT just the INTs it’s the consistently poor decision making, the lack of accurate ball placement, the fumbles, the holding the ball too long and taking unnecessary sacks…

            In short it’s nearly EVERYTHING a QB needs to do in order to be a consistent winner in today’s NFL.

            Ballin’ ain’t enough!

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        • I agree I barely skim articles before paging down to see what posters have to say.

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      • Big Som.
        I thought you were against Rivers and for Winston.
        I am confused with your post. You like Rivers more because he has had less interceptions, it seems like you are saying!

        Did you want to also point out over the last 5 years that Rivers has averaged 29 T passing TD’s per season average and Winston 24 TD’s per season average?

        Did you also want to mention that Rivers has averaged a 65% completion rate compared to Wintons 61% completion rate in the last 5?

        Rivers average yards per game is greater than Winstons per game average over the last 5 seasons as well.

        How about bad throw percentage (only 2 years of data).
        Rivers 14.2%
        Jameis 18.4%

        Oh by the way, Advanced stats show that Jameis Winston and Philip Rivers have had the same amount of pocket time the last two seasons but Jameis has been sacked 8 more times despite playing 5 less games.

        It seems that Rivers quick release and decision making have him get rid of the ball and avoid sacks while still completing a lot of balls and getting yards and touchdowns.

        I have not watched enough of Rivers to have a strong opinion about him but the stats clearly do not hurt his recommendation as a potential Buc QB.

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        • Rivers is definitely not my guy. He will be worse than Winston in this offense in 2020 than Winston was in 2019, without a passing title.

          Winston is the clear cut #1 option for Bruce Arians in this offense in 2020, but yes, I do think Bridgewater, Brady, Luck, Brees, or D.Watson would eventually do well in this offense too.

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          • Lol you said Winston won the “Passing Title”…..
            So since we are creating titles/awards for him again tell me how many Turnover Titles has won?

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          • @captain-sly You’ve never heard football pundits, coaches, writers, or players talk about the passing title? Interesting and also telling.

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          • How can Rivers not be your guy when geno shows you stats efuting your own production based argument? Do you work for one of the NFC South teams? 😆

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      • Trying not to get triggered, but how about we use proper context and point out Rivers played in 8 more games, threw 365 more passes, threw 24 more TD’s, had a 64.7% compl rate vs Winston’s 61.3% and a 5.02%TD/2.62%INT rate vs Winston’s 4.7%TD/3.5%INT during that same 5 year period. Randomly using a single stat without context proves nothing.

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        • And sorry for the stats CG, at least I wasn’t the one to bring up the turnovers. LOL Anyone who tries to prop Winston over Rivers based on practically anything statistical is misguided. He is the superior QB by practically every measure, and if he was a few years younger (or had a different face in BS’s case 🙂 ), don’t believe so many would be so reluctant for him to be a Buc. And for those that say they don’t want a bridge QB for just a year or two only to start over with a rookie, what exactly do think is going to happen if Winston falters again this season? Personally think the energy having a well respected, fiery QB would bring to the entire franchise would have a palpable affect. Guess we’ll see how it plays out in just over a month.

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        • Randomly using a garbage pile of stats proves nothing. Rivers is 38 and is on the record saying he has 2 years left. No thanks.

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          • Last time I checked, those 33 TD’s and 5,000+ yard numbers you seem to love so much were called stats as well. Understand some not loving them so much when they’re not in Winston’s favor (which most of them aren’t), doesn’t make them garbage though, just the truth. Still don’t get the issue of having a quality, bridge QB to hold the fort while BA & Leftwich groom a rookie.

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          • @flboy84 Fundamental disagreement on Rivers being better than Winston. No amount of stats will change either of our minds. I will root for the Bucs no matter who is under center in 2020. I just don’t believe Bruce Arians and Jason Licht will go with Rivers over Winston. I believe BA was brought in to turn things around. I believe he will continue to do his best to lead the team, even if that means making unpopular decisions.

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        • The big reason there is even a discussion about extending Winston can be boiled down to 1 statistic: His interceptions. Yes, there are many stats QBs are measured by. QBR might be most important. For all intents and purposes though, its the interceptions that we all hate and are the reason many fans don’t see a future with him.

          Aaron Rodgers is one of the most accurate QBs of all time and his TD to INT ratio is amazing and may be best of all time. Where are the super bowl titles?

          Winning a title is about balance and teamwork in my eyes. Its stopping the run and running the ball. Its limiting turnovers while being explosive. Its confidence that no lead is too big and no comeback is too tough. Its about staying healthy and on the field. Its about getting in early and leaving late. Its about talent.

          Arians can lead Winston and the Bucs to the promise land with better play from the secondary and an improved rushing attack.

          GO BUCS!

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          • Wow taking a shot at Rogers as part of an argument for keeping the Human Turnover Machine is a new low for you

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          • @matador You just got discount double checked! Olay matadork!

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  11. Tannehill, Bridgewater, Foles & Stafford are all upgrades. Brady wont come here because he will sniff out this organization doesnt want that bad to get to the S. Bowl. Have we gotten a splash player or 2, yes. But not a S. Bowl squad.

    Other better options include a few from the College ranks. If you have the will you can go out and get a top 12 QB. We never have had one, but the closest was Brad Johnson.

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    • Tannehill? Seriously? Come on now… Just because he said “Hike” enough times to win a couple playoff games where the other team crumbled more than the Titans won it does not at all make him an upgrade. And Foles? The journeyman who makes Jacksonville sick they are on the hook for? That is just silly!

      No QB is going to do any better here as long as they are running for their life and the Running Backs can’t. Winston would most likely play better if the Oline is solidified and the running game improves but there’s also a chance he may not, but they have to be fixed if any QB is ever gonna be successful here.

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  12. Amen. I agree totally except for Brady. I want to build something that last a few years. Continue to upgrade the team around him (RB, OL, DB) and give him year 2 under BA. While multiple other options may workout no QB has as much experience in this system.

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  13. Again what’s the hurry? We have plenty of time to decide about a quarterback. We also have a couple players we could trade and move up to pick a quarterback.
    Let’s focus on getting our unrestricted defensive players signed with new contracts. Go. Bucs!

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    • I agree.

      Keep the defense intact is priority #1. Then sign a decent RG to compete with Cappa. Then re-sign other Bucs FAs if possible (eg Perriman). Then decide what to do at the QB position.

      If the Bucs play their cards right they can go into the draft with a strong foundation.

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  14. Wow no better QB options? Thats not earth shattering news. I’ve said this for months because it’s true. Fix o line and have balanced offense and Winston will be fine imo.

    Yeah let’s take old rivers who is 38 year old version of Winston without the ability to elude a pass rush. That’s not an upgrade unless your brain dead.

    FLBoy you are trying to spin bad defense is because of Winston putting them in bad positions? That’s total BS 95% of time were getting torched before any turnovers….

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    • Agree- Ledyard writes off Bridgewater too easily. ALL that guy does is win. Forget fit, BA will adept to his talent. Teddy is the right guys for us.

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    • Sorry dude- do the math. Teams scored 112 points off Winston TO’s. That’s 7 points per game. Take those away and the D is middle of the pack and the Bucs win 10-12 games.

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    • I just don’t understand why people want to pay a 38 year old qb who clearly has shown signs of regression last season. He’s going to want a lot of money so I’d rather tag Winston and draft a new qb.

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  15. If Jalen Hurts falls to 4th round get him. Riley has put out 2 number 1 QB’S in a row. Hurts has a great attitude, is mobile and has a good arm. Sadly BA probably not like him. Arians is still running a out dated offensive.

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    • Hurts would make a great Wildcat option. And could play backup if you needed him.

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    • I don’t know who’s down voting you but you are Right!!!
      Arians offense is Outdated period……
      The reads are too Complex, The routes are too Slow, and The drop backs are too Long. Its the elephant in the room nobody talks about. We’re too busy arguing about who would be the perfect driver for this Model T offense when none of these kids have ever seen “3 on a tree”. I say lets bring back Terry Bradshaw or Roger Stabauch maybe they can figure out how to start this thing, because I have had it up to here with this silly debate on here.

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      • You are soo off. Let’s ask Big Ben, Peyton, Luck and Palmer. All this guy does is win, WHEN he has a competent QB! With us, he has the most prolific turnover machine in the history of the NFL. Winston optimizes the saying “stupid is as stupid does”. Blaming Arians for Winston incompetence is like blaming the pilot of a plane that crashes after all the engines fail.

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      • Captain thanks for your comment. IMO the NFL is changing. In the playoffs most teams had QB’S that when necessary make play’s with their legs. The day’s of stand tall in the pocket with 7 step drop back is coming to a end. Just as the Tampa 2 defense did. CB’S are longer and faster. Also anyone that watched the playoffs saw the TE’S used alot not the Bucs.

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    • I am ok with your get Jalen Hurt comment.

      It is the knock on BA that I do not get.

      Team improved in his 1st year as our head coach. He has won coach of the year twice so there clearly is ability there. I do not see B.A. as being outdated.

      Just experienced and smart as are the other 60 year old plus head coaches in this league:

      Belicheck, Carroll, Reid, and Vic Fangio.

      Including BA their combined record last year was 49 wins and 29 losses.

      He is a good coach in my humble opinion. By the way, this is a coach that has switched his offensive play calling more times than some of you guys have had sex.

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      • Geno I had great sex last night. lol

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  16. This is the draft to get O-line improved. Whoever the quarterback is he can’t be running for his life to succeed. If you want to draft Eason in the 2n round fine, but otherwise O-line, O-line, O-line, and oh yeah….O-line. BTW a quarterback doesn’t have to have a great arm to succeed in Arians offense. Timing with your wideouts, when to throw the ball. This will make a 20yd pass turn into a 50yd touchdown. If they get Brady don’t you think his training mentality with receivers carries over? Look this is a right now league. Gruden got a super bowl here in Tampa and we haven’t seen 1 since despite the great defense. Even if a vet QB like Brady is here 2 yrs and when win 1 superbowl…. isn’t that better than having 1?

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  17. Great writing @jonledyard . I

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    • fuck me I dunno how to edit whatever good job the writing was superb… Not saying others don’t write well on this site but you can tell the difference. You took the time to edit yours and not just throw it up here like a twitter post. Love pewter report but sometimes the typos and things are definitely noticeable. Scott found a nice replacement for Trevor.

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  18. In 2013 Carson Palmer had 24 TDs and 22 INTs in 16 games.  (This was his first year under Bruce Arians.) In 2014 he had 11 TDs and 3 INTs in 6 games.
    In 2015 he had 35 TDs and 11INTs in sixteen games.
    In 2016 he had 26 TDs and 14 INTs in fifteen games.
    In 2017 his last year he had 9 TDs and 7 INTs in seven games.
    He did all of that that in his 11th through 15th seasons.

    Palmer said it takes a year to learn Bruce Arians’ system for all involved.  He predicts that Jameis Winston will have a “massive year” in 2020. 

    Jameis Winston had 33 TDs and 30 INTs in his first year under BA.  This was his 5th year in the league.
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    Your article just make me think that is very likely we will have Jameis Winston back under center this year.  Now if we could get him under the right contract that lets us out next year, if necessary, we could then go all in and find a way to draft Jacob Eason of Washington in say the second round.  Then if Winston plays well we trade Eason next year.  Otherwise we bring Eason in and go from there.  That would seem to be the best scenario under the circumstances we have.
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    “It takes years,” Palmer said. “It takes years for the quarterback and it takes years for the guys outside because there’s multiple opportunities where receivers have the opportunity to run one of two routes and they don’t make that decision and make that cut until they get to the top of the route. And that’s just something, you need time, you need experience within that system and that’s something you don’t have.”  
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    Go Bucs!!!

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    • Well stated comment. I agree with every single word of it.

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    • Carson and Luck gradually got better under BA, Big Ben and Tim Couch did not. Looking at all four QB’s as a group proves that there’s no 2nd season miracle or guaranteed improvement. Ben, for example, had his best year of all the one’s under BA in their 1st year together, then threw 15 fewer TD’s and four more interceptions the next year playing in 1 more game than the year prior as well. Believe it’s proven that there’s just as much chance for regression as improvement with Winston if there’s a year 2 with BA.

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  19. It’s not just age, or scheme fit, it’s personality fit also. I think BA, and Rivers would be a good fit on a personal level. I think Rivers is the kind of vet QB Arains covets. Like Gruden wanted Farve at the end of his career. BA, and Rivers could have two good years together with Eason waiting in the wings. It’ll be a new, and old day in Tampa Bay. Wait till you hear BA gush over Rivers at his press conference. Wait till you hear Rivers say, I came here to win now. Not I know I have to get better. It’ll be a good change. Then we can fight over who we are going to draft at QB. Fun.

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    • Well stated comment. I agree with every single word of it.

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    • I still think Winston can be the guy but I also don’t hate Rivers. I know he’s 38 but never missed a game and headed for the HOF. I think Aonston could actually learn a lot from Rivers. If he would throw it away more often and go back to using his feet more often he could be a better version of Rivers.

      I’m just so exhausted thinking about which way to go would be best that I just want them to make a decision and find out which direction we are headed and move forward. We can argue all we want but we aren’t going to have any say in the end and will be rooting for whoever is on the field next year (at least the real fans will be). I’m just excited to see where FA and the Draft takes us moving into next year!

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  20. It is so easy , call Washington redskins offer them what ever they want to trade up in draft, at 2 draft Herbert or Burrow and send Winston to to Bengals as back up and do not look back!!!!

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    • How long is Licht’s contract? Offer the Skins our second round picks for the duration of Bust Licht’s contract.

      JBL’s Second Round Draft History (keeping in mind we’ve been drafting high in the round and is under three different coaches, ie he’s the problem):

      2014 – ASJ (bust), Sims (bust)
      2015 – D Smith (underperformed the slot), Marpet (good pick)
      2016 – Spence (bust), Aguayo (bust)
      2017 – J. Evans (incomplete)
      2018 – RoJo (underperformer or bust, depending on how damaging it is that we’re likely to spend another high pick to get what we were after with RoJo with pick #38), Stewart (inc but far from overwhelming), Davis (ditto)
      2019 – SMB (inc)

      In other words, if you hope/expect your 2nd round picks to make an impact, looking at ELEVEN picks over six years there is only ONE of Bust Licht’s picks you’d do again.

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  21. Day after Valentines day. Show some Love everybody. Once the Bucs decide what direction they go we will all follow along like sheep lol. Looking forward to the Draft and what new talent comes to Tampa

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    • As opposed to what? Hating the team? You don’t have to agree with every choice the team makes but in the end, we aren’t the GM. So whatever decisions are made, the team on the field is who I will root for. It’s not being a sheep, it’s just being a fan.

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      • That’s how I’ve approached it for 40+, mostly disappointing, years. While some have threatened to cancel season tickets they don’t actually have; I have hung in there hoping for another “Worst to First” season.

        I’ve cheered for every QB who has lined up under center and never understood the supposed “fans” like Bob and others, who seem to hope for their failure just so they can thump their chests and gloat “I told you so”.

        None of us loyal fans are blind to the frailties of our team. Nor are we satisfied with the losing record. The 49ers’ slogan this year was “faithful”. After coming off of a 4-12 record in 2018 and earning the second pick in the Draft, I’m pretty sure their faith was being tested entering the 2019 season that surprisingly resulted in a trip to the Super Bowl.

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  22. Hey guys..We been losing this far, One more yr with Jameis is not the end of the world. Who Knows? This just might be his year to turn it around. Franchise him so he knows it..Do or Die. Wouldn’t it be something if we went to the playoffs with him. All these new QB’s gonna have to learn a new system. So You got a yrs learning curve anyways with them. It hurts me to say this. But I say one more yr for Mr. Panic Attack.

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  23. without a great offensive line and running game on offense this team will never see the playoffs. In my opinion this team needs to focus on getting this first, then decide on a QB. You can franchise tag Winston and build a great line in front of him, also open holes up for the RBs to run through. maybe a safety, DT, and another outside LB and this team is in the playoffs. However Winston needs to stop staring down his WR targets.

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  24. It’s what I’ve been saying all along: There isn’t a better option than Winston out there save for starting over with another first-round QB. And that’s going to cost us draft capital that would be MUCH better spent investing in the things that might help Winston improve on his deficiencies. (We need an investment in the OL this season AT MINIMUM matching what the secondary got last year.)

    I hope that Barrett and the rest of the defensive front seven re-up without the tag, because at this point it’s obvious we need it for Winston unless Jameis does the right thing and bets on himself with a mid-term bridge deal.

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