DID YOU KNOW? Dungy tried to hire Tedford as offensive coordinator in Tampa Bay. But, Dungy said, "(Tedford) wanted to stay in college, and that was the track he wanted to go on. … He's a very good offensive coach, and they've got some weaponry there." http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/dungy-says-bucs-have-pieces-in-place/2160657
You implying Dungy doesn't know OCs?
This is an issue?
I hope Dungy was right then and is right in his current assessments about this team. I thought we had a really great roster to begin last season.
It shows that Dungy at least tried to improve the offense before defaulting to Mike Shula and Clod Christensen.
I would say Dungy was VERY successful in selecting college coaches for his staff wouldn't you say??
JOT - we are short on the details, but I'm not sure you can make the claim you are making.I'm skeptical that Dungy wanted to hire Tedford when Tedford was early in his time as OC/QB coach at Fresno State (he had been there 3 years by then), though it's possible due to his relationship with Dilfer. And we know that he was forced to fire Shula and that he regretted it. I'm guessing that the Tedford choice was the year he ended up hiring Les Steckel - though at the time I recall strong rumors that he really wanted to hire Clyde Christiansen. McKay in a 2005 story says that they tried to hire him twice, so I suspect the second attempt was again after he fired Steckel. And clearly Dungy doesn't feel the way you feel about Clod, as he took him with him to Indy. I don't doubt that Dungy wanted to improve the offense, but I do doubt that he would have thought of Shula and Christiasen as "default" hires.
Dungy and Lovie had similar coaches problems - OC's.
I think that's true, but I also think they both shared another offensive problem, largely not of their making. Personnel. The best QB, in terms of a single season performance - was Trent Dilfer. And nobody is going to be telling their grandkids how great it was to watch Dilfer spin it in Tampa (Brad Johnson probably had his worst season as a starter in 2001, was sacked 44 times behind an embarrassing OL). We had horrific personnel in the passing game, save one year of Keyshawn. Our weapons were Dunn and Alstott, and they were often limited by the atrocious OL play. Lovie Smith was saddled with a some of the worst OLs I can ever remember, a list of horrific QBs (prior to Cutler, whose injury derailed a likely trip to the playoffs in 2011) - Chad Hutchinson, Craig Krenzel, Caleb Hanie, Rex Grossman..... - and some truly awful WRs. Some of the best WRs were Bernard Berrian, Johnny Knox, and Earl Bennett. Those are good 3/4 types, not a target man. I don't think there's any doubt both got the coordinators wrong - Dungy totally blew it in 2001 with probably his best offensive skill group - Dunn, Alstott, Key, Johnson - by going with Clyde; Lovie with Mike Tice in 2012 when he had his best group - Cutler, Forte, Brandon Marshall (I think Martz was more a function of bad marriage of OC and OL, plus good chance he was just nuts at that point). But personnel was a significant factor. I always thought the under-reported story of the Dungy-era Bucs was the inability to find players on offense, or really even to develop a theme. I don't know if it was a function of Dungy being unable to communicate the type of players he wanted, or McKay and Co.'s inability to find those players. On defense, they seemed to work together fine. But if you study the offensive moves, you find really strange zigs and zags - how does one coach and GM think that both Keyshawn and Bert Emmanuel can be their teams #1? I also
I think it was personnel, and misuse of the personnel he had. Not nearly as much Dilfer, imo, as it was the receiving core, the OL, and the misuse of Warrick Dunn. IMO, that was Dungy, not Mike Shula.
I think it was personnel, and misuse of the personnel he had. Not nearly as much Dilfer, imo, as it was the receiving core, the OL, and the misuse of Warrick Dunn. IMO, that was Dungy, not Mike Shula.
I thought Shula used him better than Clyde - that was the worst. Shame Gruden didn't have Dunn.
I think it was personnel, and misuse of the personnel he had. Not nearly as much Dilfer, imo, as it was the receiving core, the OL, and the misuse of Warrick Dunn. IMO, that was Dungy, not Mike Shula.
I thought Shula used him better than Clyde - that was the worst. Shame Gruden didn't have Dunn.
Agree Dunn would have been a better fit with Gruden.
Uhhh, Skip...you do realize this is the same guy that hired Mike Shula, Les Steckel and Clyde Christiansen...right?The ONLY blind spot Tony Dungy has is the word that is the opposite of DEfense (...I'd say "it", but Dungy wouldn't know what I was talking about).This does the exact OPPOSITE for me - because Dungy was fired for NOT doing what he was FORCED to do when he took the job in Indianapolis...keep HIS hands OUT of offensive philosophy and talent!GREAT...now I've got to RE-consider Tedford is just who I thought he was going to be...
probably wanted him to fix Dilfer. makes some sense.
There is that part of me that thinks.... just how bad Dungy's track record for O.C.s in Tampa was and he wanted Tedford.... This might not end well.I truly hope Tedford comes in, figures out how to utilize whoever the starting qb is, and makes them, and subsequently the team, successful. Like Vin said in another thread, we'll have to see how this plays out.
