The flaw in your argument is the assumption that "less guns in the wrong hands" is synonymous with "less guns." It is not. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens.
lol, five hours and that is what you come up with? LMAO .. . . The Great and Powerful Illuminator!!!There are guns in the "right hands" and gun in the "wrong hands" and together they equal Total Guns, but if we subtract from the guns in the "wrong hands" there are not less Total Guns ROFLMAO . . . Illuminator you are more of a joke than even I thoughtYou might want to go back to bumping old threads . . or maybe get CBW to give you a lesson in distracting from your own Intellectual Dishonesty because . .. YOU SUCK at it.
I happen to agree with him. Your argument is synonymous as saying everybody with a wine glass is a drunk.
The flaw in your argument is the assumption that "less guns in the wrong hands" is synonymous with "less guns." It is not. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens.
lol, five hours and that is what you come up with? LMAO .. . . The Great and Powerful Illuminator!!!There are guns in the "right hands" and gun in the "wrong hands" and together they equal Total Guns, but if we subtract from the guns in the "wrong hands" there are not less Total Guns ROFLMAO . . . Illuminator you are more of a joke than even I thoughtYou might want to go back to bumping old threads . . or maybe get CBW to give you a lesson in distracting from your own Intellectual Dishonesty because . .. YOU SUCK at it.
I happen to agree with him. Your argument is synonymous as saying everybody with a wine glass is a drunk.
lol, no its not Spartan . . . that's ridiculous. My argument has always been straightforward and undeniable . . even though you guys all deny it, until you let your guard down. The reason gun violence drops in the city with stop & frisk is in the largest part because the "frisk" portion removes guns from the street . . . less guns = less violence. Because there is a lot of gun violence in the city the change is often dramatic, but the same would hold true in suburban America . . . its just . . as you acknowledged Spartan . . the change wouldn't be as dramatic . . BUT that is because the level of violence in suburbia isn't as dramatic to begin with, not because a rule of logic only applies to the city . . lol . . that is what makes Illuminator's comment hilarious and dumbIt's amazing to me that you guys (gun advocates) are so worried that any concession is tantamount to turning over your guns that you try so hard to deny the obvious . . in a message board discussion, no less. Because it is an obvious and undeniable truth that less guns equals less gun violence, "you guys" (gun advocates) occasionally step in it like Illuminator did and then you spend post after post qualifying your comments, parsing and backpedaling . . . or, in the case of Illuminator . . getting MAD (lol) . . and digging up old threads to distract from the fact that he is not as bright as he pretends . . . . just kiddingless guns OBVIOUSLY equals less gun violence. That does not means there are not responsible gun owners Spartan, but neither does it mean the gun violence is limited to criminals.Btw, there is a reason that you and Illuminator don't even want to touch my question about where criminals get guns . .. . because I am right. Illegal guns start of as legal guns that the gun manufacturers sell in the million . . in part, by creating a vast secondary market by lobbying Congress for private sale and online and gun show loopholes to background checks. These things are ALL related .. and while I have no doubt that you have a sincere belief in the 2nd Amendment . . and I respect that . . those gun makers use people like you .. . so they can keep selling "legal" guns that become "illegal guns."
The reason gun violence drops in the city with stop & frisk is in the largest part because the "frisk" portion removes guns from the street . . . less guns = less violence.
The reason why gun violence drops in the city with stop and frisk is because the "frisk" portion removes guns from the BAD guys. Those who have a propensity to commit violent acts and by and large responsible for most of the murders committed. The "frisk" portion is not allowed to remove guns from the "good" guys; a.k.a those who are legally in possession of a gun.
less guns OBVIOUSLY equals less gun violence. That does not means there are not responsible gun owners Spartan, but neither does it mean the gun violence is limited to criminals.
I agree with you 100%, but responsible gun owners are culpable for very little of the gun violence. There are some people who go postal or have a domestic, but statistically speaking in terms of the numbers of people injured or killed, the bad guys do a lot more damage.I am also on record in saying there is only 1 solution and that is, whether you concede it to be true or not, your preferred solution of banning all guns outside of Law Enforcement and the military. But, the 2nd Amendment aside, the number of innocent people who would die before most firearms were off the streets has never been addressed. The bad guys, as this report shows, will still find a way to get them, and knowing their victims are unarmed, I'm confident would take advantage of their predicament. For the record, I own 2 of these, just in case, so think just how difficult it will be to get all those guns off the streets:
Spartan, only nervous gun owners talk about the gun problem in this country in terms of a singular "solution." The rest of the world does not buy into the false dichotomy that you guys set up, that there is either a "solution" or nothing. That's nonsense and self-serving nonsense at that. There are a lot of lives to save between zero and 30,000 per year and a lot of guns to reduce between zero and 300 million. The police have not stopped ALL gun violence on the streets of Chicago. They have REDUCED gun violence by reducing the number of guns.Even more absurd than the false dichotomy above is the notion that logic is limited by geography. lol. Let's call that the Illuminator Principle - the notion that reducing guns only reduces gun violence within the city limits. LOL, sound absurd as I type it. Reducing guns reduces gun violence PERIOD . . . whether in the city or the countryside. The Newtown killer had access to an arsenal, the guy that walked into a school in Atlanta got his assault rifle from an acquaintance. Access matters
lol @ you suckers .......
