Any chance they let Penn put on a couple pounds and move him to guard?
Bengals' Collins avoiding contract chatterDecember, 26, 201312/26/136:00PM ETBy Coley Harvey | ESPN.comRECOMMEND1TWEET6COMMENTS1EMAILPRINTCINCINNATI -- Friends off the field, Cincinnati Bengals players Anthony Collins and Michael Johnson occasionally hang out together. Typically when they venture out into Cincinnati and other parts of the metropolitan area, it's Johnson who gets recognized first. After all, the defensive end has been starting since his second season in 2010. It probably helps matters that he's the more visible face of the two, playing a key role on the Bengals' highly touted defensive line while carrying this season's franchise tag. [+] EnlargeAP Photo/Lynne SladkyOffensive tackle Anthony Collins has been solid in pass protection, and the pending free agent figures to get a raise in the offseason.Most football-following fans on the Queen City's streets know the likelihood the Bengals retain Johnson this offseason are fairly slim. The odds are equally steep when it comes to Collins, an offensive tackle who this Sunday will play the final regular-season game of his current contract. He'll be a free agent once the season ends. That's why random, football-following men on the street only want to talk contracts when they see Collins and Johnson together. Collins doesn't like being around such contract chatter. He's content letting Johnson handle those conversations. "Anytime someone brings it up to [Johnson] and then they ask me what's my name and I say, 'Oh, A.C.,' then they want to say, 'Oh, so you, too, huh?'" Collins said. "I'm like, 'Nah, you're talking about Mike. Don't even talk about me.'" Just like Johnson, Collins deserves to be talked about. He also has spent this season playing for his football and financial future. If Cincinnati can't afford to sign him this offseason, the backup tackle is hopeful that he has done enough this season to convince some other organization to justly compensate him. "I'm a starter," Collins said. "Even if some team wants to get me and put me on the bench, I'm going to work like a starter. Period." That's precisely the way the Bengals' $3.6 million man has approached this contract year, even as the No. 3 tackle in a three-man rotation. That approach has paid off handsomely for Cincinnati, which has needed his services often this season. During the season opener in Chicago, Collins was called upon to take over for Pro Bowl left tackle Andrew Whitworth, who was recovering from a knee injury that slowed him in the preseason. Collins performed well, keeping veteran defensive end Julius Peppers from hounding quarterback Andy Dalton. Collins also filled in for Whitworth in Miami near the season's midpoint, blocking well enough that Dalton didn't get sacked on account of anything he Collins wrong. In fact, in 526 snaps, Collins hasn't allowed a sack or a quarterback hit this season, according to Pro Football Focus. "I don't pay attention [to sites like PFF], but that sounds about right," Collins said, laughing. "Yeah, I did that." When he spoke to reporters Thursday, offensive coordinator Jay Gruden didn't have his coaches' breakdown of Collins' stats in front of him, but he also wasn't trying to deny PFF's claims when asked about them. "It wouldn't surprise me," Gruden said. "He's done a great job, no question about it. Definitely pass protection is his forte. That's for sure." Along with replacing Whitworth for two games, Collins has started the past four games as the Bengals have shaken up their offensive line rotation in the wake of Clint Boling's season-ending ACL tear. On the six plays before Boling was lost for the season during Cincinnati's 17-10 win against San Diego this month, Collins was playing at right tackle, relieving Andre Smith for an unspecified reason. Since then, Collins has been at left tackle, with Whitworth moving to Boling's left guard spot. Within this four-game stretch, Collins has denied the likes of Jared Allen and Robert Mathis the opportunity to get to Dalton. Combined with his efforts against Peppers, Collins is beginning to earn a reputation for stopping elite pass-rushers. Against Baltimore in this weekend's regular-season finale, he'll be going against another strong pass-rusher in Elvis Dumervil. This will be the first time he's been matched up with Dumervil since his second season in 2009. "Elvis is not really different," Collins said. "He's the same. He's doing the same thing he's been doing. He just perfected it." Collins credits his success this season to the way he has perfected his blocking technique. "If you're prepared to go into battle, you're going to be alright in battle," he said. He might have one of the biggest battles of his career behind closed doors this offseason when he and his representatives try to prove to the Bengals he's worth the significant raise his play has commanded. While the circumstances that got them to the cusp of free agency are slightly different, Collins' situation is somewhat similar to Whitworth's two seasons ago. Near the start of the 2011 season, as the Bengals were making then-rookie Dalton their new starting quarterback, they wanted to make sure they locked up one of his primary blockers. So Whitworth was inked to a three-year deal that give him a max base annual salary in two of those seasons of $4.5 million. At the time, Whitworth hadn't had a Pro Bowl selection, but he had emerged as a rising star. He has since been named to the Pro Bowl and signed an extension that will pay him an annual base of $5 million starting next year. Some might argue that this season is all the evidence Collins needs to prove he is following a similar path. For that reason, it probably shouldn't be a surprise if negotiations hover around or just above the $4.5-million-per-year mark. For now, though, Collins is keeping his mind clear of the numbers and focusing on the task at hand: beating Baltimore and advancing into the postseason. "I love Cincinnati. This is my family," Collins said. "If Cincinnati wants me back, damn right I'll be back."
Any chance they let Penn put on a couple pounds and move him to guard?
Doubtful. I think he is a goner.
Any chance they let Penn put on a couple pounds and move him to guard?
Doubt it. Not unless he takes a pay cut. They aren't gonna pay him $8M/yr to try and play guard. Wish he would take a cut though. I think he would make a better guard than tackle and he could get as fat as he wants to if he was playing interior.
That's a shame. I like Penn. I wouldn't take a pay cut, though, unless he really wants to be here. It looks like people are getting paid due to that salary increase.
If I'm Penn, I'm not taking a pay cut and I'm hoping for a release. There is a good market for offensive tackles this year and with the extra cap money, chances are he'll land a deal better than the pay cut he'll be asked to take here. He'll argue that the Schiano regime didn't use him properly, asked him to come in too light and that the offensive line coach had only one year of NFL experience. He'll get another chance.However, as much as I like Penn, I won't shed too many tears based off his play from last season. It's time for a change for both of us.
What makes anyone think Penn could play guard . He's not particularly good at run blocking , and can you imagine his fat ass trying to pull on a sweep??
So from the rumors/tweets that I'm hearing, these the the FA I expect that the Bucs are pursuing:Players that rumors place the Bucs talking with:Micheal Johnson - DERoger Saffold - OT/GAntony Collins - OTPlayers that seem to indicate that they want to come here:Charles Tillman - CBDevin Hester - KR/PR/WRIf we picked up only those 5, this would still be a pretty good off season and other than Johnson, nobody else is really going to be that expensive.
What makes anyone think Penn could play guard . He's not particularly good at run blocking , and can you imagine his fat ass trying to pull on a sweep??
Actually he graded out better against the run than the pass, if I remember my PFF stats correctly. Either way, he's losing foot speed and that's a no go for a LT. If he would take a 50% pay cut I'd but up for giving him a shot at Guard. I don't see it happening TBH.
Saffold is rumored to be Oakland bound. Not sure.
So from the rumors/tweets that I'm hearing, these the the FA I expect that the Bucs are pursuing:Players that rumors place the Bucs talking with:Micheal Johnson - DERoger Saffold - OT/GAntony Collins - OTPlayers that seem to indicate that they want to come here:Charles Tillman - CBDevin Hester - KR/PR/WRIf we picked up only those 5, this would still be a pretty good off season and other than Johnson, nobody else is really going to be that expensive.
Honestly, there isn't anyone on that list that excites me. I don't think Collins or Scaffold is an upgrade over Penn. Tillman and Hester are old as dirt. And while I support signing Michael Johnson if that is what Lovie wants, he seems like a one dimensional speed rusher and certainly isn't the type of D-lineman I would target. I'll be pretty bummed if that really ends up being our FA haul. Also, you forgot Josh McCown. He should be on that uninspired list too.
Collins starting 15 games and not allowing a sack and 1 qb hit doesn't excite you? Idk Jdouble sounds like a lot of teams would take stats like that from their LT
and Johnson isn't just a speed rusher, the ratings on him show he is a beast against the run also, had a down year on sacks but was still effective, can't wait to see what Lovie can do with him if he does come here.
Collins starting 15 games and not allowing a sack and 1 qb hit doesn't excite you? Idk Jdouble sounds like a lot of teams would take stats like that from their LT
hes never played a full season, that is something to be worried about.
So from the rumors/tweets that I'm hearing, these the the FA I expect that the Bucs are pursuing:Players that rumors place the Bucs talking with:Micheal Johnson - DERoger Saffold - OT/GAntony Collins - OTPlayers that seem to indicate that they want to come here:Charles Tillman - CBDevin Hester - KR/PR/WRIf we picked up only those 5, this would still be a pretty good off season and other than Johnson, nobody else is really going to be that expensive.
Don't forget Garrett Graham TE.