I saw like 3 good plays by Gholston. Other than that he was invisible. I don't get the hype at all.
Jdud , the dweeb who sees what he wants to see , didn't see much he likes in the guy he declared a bum and a wasted pick immediately after we drafted him .....shocking !!
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Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
Gholston showed me enough to think he has a bright future with the Bucs if he continues to ascend.
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
True but he was a ROOKIE that played well at times even though the coaching sucked. It's safe to assume that he'll be better going in to his second year.I have more faith in him being a good DE than "potential" packed Daquan bowers.
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
Exactly. Not sure anyone has said he is garbage or destined to suck or anything. But why is he a legit #2 or #3 DE? What has he done to make us think we are good at DE now or that he is better than Clayborn? How about he is a 2nd year guy that showed a little promise? Maybe he'll turn into something, maybe he won't....but he is a developmental unproven guy and we can't count on him to be anything. We still need another legit DE. That way if Gholston ends up being great than we have a surplus of great DEs. If he ends up being nothing, than we are fine because we didn't count on an unproven developmental kid to be a huge part of our success.
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
True but he was a ROOKIE that played well at times even though the coaching sucked. It's safe to assume that he'll be better going in to his second year.I have more faith in him being a good DE than "potential" packed Daquan bowers.
Bowers has PROVEN that he is a turd and I agree I would prefer Gholston over Bowers. That still doesn't make Gholston a legit option as our #2 or #3 DE. He simply hasn't shown anything close to enough for that to be the case. Maybe in 2015 it will be a different story, but not right now.
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
True but he was a ROOKIE that played well at times even though the coaching sucked. It's safe to assume that he'll be better going in to his second year.I have more faith in him being a good DE than "potential" packed Daquan bowers.
He was certainly a rookie and there is the expectation for growth...but how much? There is a reason why he was there for us to take in the 5th round. Can he rise up and overcome that and be a good #2 option for us? No one is saying that is impossible. Thing is, every single year for the past...well seems like f*cking forever, the Bucs have settled with rolling into camp with these types of players who showed "flashes" or "high motor" on a few plays from the previous year. It seems to burn us every year. If I had time this morning, I would go back and search for some of the crap that was said about 110 snap Aaron Morgan last year, and how he "played well at times" and was going to be a solid option going forward for us. I get that the coaching wasn't very good...but GMC played beastly all year, LVD played beastly all year, Mason was very very solid...etc. You can blame coaching to a certain extent, but past a certain point it could just be that a guys ceiling really may not be all that high. He will have his shot, and he may in fact turn out to be that DE who takes the 2nd or 2rd most snaps and ends up being very disruptive...im not seeing it though. I don't think it would be wise to hang our pass rushing hopes on just the edge rushers that we have on the roster. I would add at least one more in the first 3 rounds.
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
True but he was a ROOKIE that played well at times even though the coaching sucked. It's safe to assume that he'll be better going in to his second year.I have more faith in him being a good DE than "potential" packed Daquan bowers.
Bowers has PROVEN that he is a turd and I agree I would prefer Gholston over Bowers. That still doesn't make Gholston a legit option as our #2 or #3 DE. He simply hasn't shown anything close to enough for that to be the case. Maybe in 2015 it will be a different story, but not right now.
He was a rookie that played well when he had more PT. I'll take him as a back up LE and I think we need to add one more guy.If our DE situation looks like Johnson, Clayborn, New player (Donald, Ealy, Ford, Allen, whoever),Gholston, and Bowers.... That's a decent group IMO.
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
True but he was a ROOKIE that played well at times even though the coaching sucked. It's safe to assume that he'll be better going in to his second year.I have more faith in him being a good DE than "potential" packed Daquan bowers.
He was certainly a rookie and there is the expectation for growth...but how much? There is a reason why he was there for us to take in the 5th round. Can he rise up and overcome that and be a good #2 option for us? No one is saying that is impossible. Thing is, every single year for the past...well seems like f*cking forever, the Bucs have settled with rolling into camp with these types of players who showed "flashes" or "high motor" on a few plays from the previous year. It seems to burn us every year. If I had time this morning, I would go back and search for some of the crap that was said about 110 snap Aaron Morgan last year, and how he "played well at times" and was going to be a solid option going forward for us. I get that the coaching wasn't very good...but GMC played beastly all year, LVD played beastly all year, Mason was very very solid...etc. You can blame coaching to a certain extent, but past a certain point it could just be that a guys ceiling really may not be all that high. He will have his shot, and he may in fact turn out to be that DE who takes the 2nd or 2rd most snaps and ends up being very disruptive...im not seeing it though. I don't think it would be wise to hang our pass rushing hopes on just the edge rushers that we have on the roster. I would add at least one more in the first 3 rounds.
ROOKIE... ROOKIE... ROOKIE.I think he'll be the 3rd or 4th DE and that's a good place for him going in to the year.
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
Exactly. Not sure anyone has said he is garbage or destined to suck or anything. But why is he a legit #2 or #3 DE? What has he done to make us think we are good at DE now or that he is better than Clayborn? How about he is a 2nd year guy that showed a little promise? Maybe he'll turn into something, maybe he won't....but he is a developmental unproven guy and we can't count on him to be anything. We still need another legit DE. That way if Gholston ends up being great than we have a surplus of great DEs. If he ends up being nothing, than we are fine because we didn't count on an unproven developmental kid to be a huge part of our success.
That's the thing. If we look back at some of the better 4-3 defenses they typically had a really good pass rush and had 3-4 DEs contributing to that success. Only the truly elite DEs stay on the field for 85%+ of the time and remain effective. It's a position that is heavily rotated. With Seattle last year, 4 of their DEs played between 45-62% of the snaps with Bryant, Clemons, Bennett, and Avril. This would be the ideal formula to have. Have a solid 3-4 man rotation and keep these guys fresh. Now, who here sees us having a championship level pass rush with the Michael Johnson, Adrian Clayborn, William Gholston, and Daquan Bowers?Well, if you threw all of those guys on Seattle's roster last year in training camp Johnson would have probably ended up taking the 3rd most snaps of the DEs, Clayborn would have been a depth #5 guy who hovers around 15-20% of the snaps, and the other 2 would not have made the roster. We aren't close. Should we dump Gholston? Nope...but to rely on him to take a bigger role(#3 DE or greater) based on a few positive snaps last year would not be wise if we truly aspire to have a good pass rush.
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
True but he was a ROOKIE that played well at times even though the coaching sucked. It's safe to assume that he'll be better going in to his second year.I have more faith in him being a good DE than "potential" packed Daquan bowers.
He was certainly a rookie and there is the expectation for growth...but how much? There is a reason why he was there for us to take in the 5th round. Can he rise up and overcome that and be a good #2 option for us? No one is saying that is impossible. Thing is, every single year for the past...well seems like f*cking forever, the Bucs have settled with rolling into camp with these types of players who showed "flashes" or "high motor" on a few plays from the previous year. It seems to burn us every year. If I had time this morning, I would go back and search for some of the crap that was said about 110 snap Aaron Morgan last year, and how he "played well at times" and was going to be a solid option going forward for us. I get that the coaching wasn't very good...but GMC played beastly all year, LVD played beastly all year, Mason was very very solid...etc. You can blame coaching to a certain extent, but past a certain point it could just be that a guys ceiling really may not be all that high. He will have his shot, and he may in fact turn out to be that DE who takes the 2nd or 2rd most snaps and ends up being very disruptive...im not seeing it though. I don't think it would be wise to hang our pass rushing hopes on just the edge rushers that we have on the roster. I would add at least one more in the first 3 rounds.
ROOKIE... ROOKIE... ROOKIE.I think he'll be the 3rd or 4th DE and that's a good place for him going in to the year.
Akeem Spence was a ROOKIE....ROOKIE....ROOKIE. I didn't hear the outcry from people when we went out an sought an upgrade at the DT position. Johnthan Banks was a rook rook rook, and we have acquired 2 C2 CBs who could very well push him to the #3 CB spot from a snap count stand point. This was done without seeing how he fit into the system. If we roll into 2014 without making any sort of significant upgrade to the DE position in the draft, then it means that Lovie and co. are satisfied and think they can make our current DEs into a solid rotation. I would be willing to bet though, that is not the case.
Gholston had a good showing at the end of the year. I don't get how some people think if a guy doesn't dominate in some form during his rookie year, then he's destined to be garbage.
There is a big gap between "garbage" and "good/solid #2 DE".
True but he was a ROOKIE that played well at times even though the coaching sucked. It's safe to assume that he'll be better going in to his second year.I have more faith in him being a good DE than "potential" packed Daquan bowers.
He was certainly a rookie and there is the expectation for growth...but how much? There is a reason why he was there for us to take in the 5th round. Can he rise up and overcome that and be a good #2 option for us? No one is saying that is impossible. Thing is, every single year for the past...well seems like f*cking forever, the Bucs have settled with rolling into camp with these types of players who showed "flashes" or "high motor" on a few plays from the previous year. It seems to burn us every year. If I had time this morning, I would go back and search for some of the crap that was said about 110 snap Aaron Morgan last year, and how he "played well at times" and was going to be a solid option going forward for us. I get that the coaching wasn't very good...but GMC played beastly all year, LVD played beastly all year, Mason was very very solid...etc. You can blame coaching to a certain extent, but past a certain point it could just be that a guys ceiling really may not be all that high. He will have his shot, and he may in fact turn out to be that DE who takes the 2nd or 2rd most snaps and ends up being very disruptive...im not seeing it though. I don't think it would be wise to hang our pass rushing hopes on just the edge rushers that we have on the roster. I would add at least one more in the first 3 rounds.
ROOKIE... ROOKIE... ROOKIE.I think he'll be the 3rd or 4th DE and that's a good place for him going in to the year.
Akeem Spence was a ROOKIE....ROOKIE....ROOKIE. I didn't hear the outcry from people when we went out an sought an upgrade at the DT position. Johnthan Banks was a rook rook rook, and we have acquired 2 C2 CBs who could very well push him to the #3 CB spot from a snap count stand point. This was done without seeing how he fit into the system. If we roll into 2014 without making any sort of significant upgrade to the DE position in the draft, then it means that Lovie and co. are satisfied and think they can make our current DEs into a solid rotation. I would be willing to bet though, that is not the case.
And I'm saying bring in one more guy but I wouldn't write off Gholston yet saying that he's already as good as he'll ever be. If he's the 4th DE and balls out then that's a good problem to have.
