55.0% conversion allowed on 3rd/4th down.
For context at how awful this is, here the worst 3rd down conversion rates in the entire NFL the last five years:
2021 - 49.8%
2022 - 50.0%
2023 - 47.6%
2024 - 50.9%
2025 - 47.6%
55.0% is absolutely horrendous.
This + time of possession.
The defense playing better than normal was a function of a defense coach making the entire game plan around protecting the defense and leaving the offense out to dry.
And AGAIN for the people in the back. Nobody is saying the offense played well... But it's also hard to play well with limited possessions and long fields all game.
That doesn't absolve the miscues but IN THE END...
Saying the offense "choked" when they scored the game tying fg (yes it should have been a TD) and then defense turns around and lets them drive to kick a game winning fg as time expired...
THAT'S THE REAL FUCKING CHOKE. Offense did their job by at least tying the game.
Defense couldn't even force a long fg against a kicker with the yips.
55.0% conversion allowed on 3rd/4th down.
For context at how awful this is, here the worst 3rd down conversion rates in the entire NFL the last five years:
2021 - 49.8%
2022 - 50.0%
2023 - 47.6%
2024 - 50.9%
2025 - 47.6%
55.0% is absolutely horrendous.
This + time of possession.
The defense playing better than normal was a function of a defense coach making the entire game plan around protecting the defense and leaving the offense out to dry.
And AGAIN for the people in the back. Nobody is saying the offense played well... But it's also hard to play well with limited possessions and long fields all game.
That doesn't absolve the miscues but IN THE END...
Saying the offense "choked" when they scored the game tying fg (yes it should have been a TD) and then defense turns around and lets them drive to kick a game winning fg as time expired...
THAT'S THE REAL FUCKING CHOKE. Offense did their job by at least tying the game.
Defense couldn't even force a long fg against a kicker with the yips.
dude they put up 20 points, gave the opposing team a free 7 and if they score a td there, the field goal doesn’t matter at the end
gave the opposing team a free 7
The offense did not give Washington a "free 7" points. There was no pick-six or scoop-and-score. The defense is allowed to get a turnover and/or hold the opposing team to a FG. There is no rule against either of those things.
if they score a td there, the field goal doesn’t matter at the end
If Tampa's offense scored a TD, then Washington wouldn't have attempted a FG at the end. They were playing for a FG with the ball at Tampa's 27 with 1:41 left.
But, for arguments sake, let's assume the Bucs scored that TD instead of FG. Do you believe Todd Bowles' defense stops that TD from happening when it's 1st-and-10 from Tampa's 27 with 1:41 left? What are you betting your house on - a stop or a TD?
gave the opposing team a free 7
The offense did not give Washington a "free 7" points. There was no pick-six or scoop-and-score. The defense is allowed to get a turnover and/or hold the opposing team to a FG. There is no rule against either of those things.
if they score a td there, the field goal doesn’t matter at the end
If Tampa's offense scored a TD, then Washington wouldn't have attempted a FG at the end. They were playing for a FG with the ball at Tampa's 27 with 1:41 left.
But, for arguments sake, let's assume the Bucs scored that TD instead of FG. Do you believe Todd Bowles' defense stops that TD from happening when it's 1st-and-10 from Tampa's 27 with 1:41 left? What are you betting your house on - a stop or a TD?
bowles D was ass. They likely would have given you a TD but notice the Seahawks game where a ball bounced off halls helmet and we won out of pure luck
Blaming D for not having a stand at 13 yard line isn’t being objective
bowles D was ass. They likely would have given you a TD but notice the Seahawks game where a ball bounced off halls helmet and we won out of pure luck
Pure luck could have happened at any point in the game for the defense. It didn't.
Having to rely on pure luck is a problem.
Blaming D for not having a stand at 13 yard line isn’t being objective
Asking for a three-and-out from the defense anytime that game isn't being objective, apparently. That's a problem.
The defense playing better than normal was a function of a defense coach making the entire game plan around protecting the defense and leaving the offense out to dry.
lol
The Bowles Derangement Syndrome is astounding. Bowles sabotaged the team to protect his defense?
the aggressive genius Dan Campbell would never do that.
the commanders blew out the Lions the next week, putting up 45 on them.
in an alternate universe the DC snd defense of the Bucs did exactly what they should've against the Commanders. Kept them in front made them content of the field. Red zone stops
the offense did not do its part.
but that's in an alternate universe lol
Baker lost me as a Baker bro that day...he blew the fucking game.
He sucked the whole second half last year
what's amazing is that i was a big Baker supporter in 2023 when most of the fan base was on Kyle Trask...it was maddening. Clearly Baker was our best chance to win and it was the best non-Brady QB play we've seen in over a damn decade if not longer.
My expectations of him were elevated in 2024 when he became a top 10 QB. Everyone jumped on board. Kudos to all.
Whether it was the retarded play call or Baker fumbling, that was the game right there. Momentum lost. You all expecting 02 bucs defense wasnt being realistic when they ranked middle of the pack. So sure, you guys could have blamed Bowles who somehow got a fuckin extension in the summer following that game, but Baker was the one who made me question...."is this guy just a fucking loser?"
And he sure won me back the first 6 games of 2025. 5-1 record, dude playing at an MVP type level...then something happened in Detroit game; wasn't sure if it mentally fucked with him that Evans got hurt or what....but he proceeded to play like shit in a majority of the remaining games....like brutally bad to mediocre at best.
So while i am 120% supportive of firing Bowles, Baker has alot to prove this upcoming year because his bone headed turnovers are not made up for by heroic efforts.
He led comeback wins in any of the early games last year but it's not like we were putting up 30 points a game on offense either.
He led comeback wins in any of the early games last year but it's not like we were putting up 30 points a game on offense either.
I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt that some of it was beat up o-line and OC.
Give any NFL QB a running game like we had in 2024 and a corresponding short passing game and they are probably going to outperform 2025 no run game, makeshift oline and trying to go deeper.
we will see. In a contract year
He led comeback wins in any of the early games last year but it's not like we were putting up 30 points a game on offense either.
I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt that some of it was beat up o-line and OC.
Give any NFL QB a running game like we had in 2024 and a corresponding short passing game and they are probably going to outperform 2025 no run game, makeshift oline and trying to go deeper.
we will see. In a contract year
i sure hope so. good to see we addressed depth on the offensive line this offseason as surely there will be no injuries along it for 2026 :)
He led comeback wins in any of the early games last year but it's not like we were putting up 30 points a game on offense either.
I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt that some of it was beat up o-line and OC.
Give any NFL QB a running game like we had in 2024 and a corresponding short passing game and they are probably going to outperform 2025 no run game, makeshift oline and trying to go deeper.
we will see. In a contract year
i sure hope so. good to see we addressed depth on the offensive line this offseason as surely there will be no injuries along it for 2026 :)
we re-signed Feeney!!
lol
Baker lost me as a Baker bro that day...he blew the fucking game.
He sucked the whole second half last year
what's amazing is that i was a big Baker supporter in 2023 when most of the fan base was on Kyle Trask...it was maddening. Clearly Baker was our best chance to win and it was the best non-Brady QB play we've seen in over a damn decade if not longer.
My expectations of him were elevated in 2024 when he became a top 10 QB. Everyone jumped on board. Kudos to all.
Whether it was the retarded play call or Baker fumbling, that was the game right there. Momentum lost. You all expecting 02 bucs defense wasnt being realistic when they ranked middle of the pack. So sure, you guys could have blamed Bowles who somehow got a fuckin extension in the summer following that game, but Baker was the one who made me question...."is this guy just a fucking loser?"
And he sure won me back the first 6 games of 2025. 5-1 record, dude playing at an MVP type level...then something happened in Detroit game; wasn't sure if it mentally fucked with him that Evans got hurt or what....but he proceeded to play like shit in a majority of the remaining games....like brutally bad to mediocre at best.
So while i am 120% supportive of firing Bowles, Baker has alot to prove this upcoming year because his bone headed turnovers are not made up for by heroic efforts.
He led comeback wins in any of the early games last year but it's not like we were putting up 30 points a game on offense either.
So you're fairweather? Lmfao
When he's good I like him when he's average I don't...
That's fine but it's just not necessary to explain
The defense playing better than normal was a function of a defense coach making the entire game plan around protecting the defense and leaving the offense out to dry.
lol
Instead of trolling why don't your refute it?
Playing back and consistently allowing 10+ yard drives on conversion after conversion was the game plan.
No big plays... Which means clock eaten which keeps the offense off the field.
No turnovers, no punts, no three and outs, consistently poor field position.
Had the Bucs player hyper aggressive on defense you'd see more yards more point but also more punts and probably more turnovers so better field position.
the commanders blew out the Lions the next week, putting up 45 on them.
Apples and oranges considering all their injuries
Baker lost me as a Baker bro that day...he blew the fucking game.
He sucked the whole second half last year
what's amazing is that i was a big Baker supporter in 2023 when most of the fan base was on Kyle Trask...it was maddening. Clearly Baker was our best chance to win and it was the best non-Brady QB play we've seen in over a damn decade if not longer.
My expectations of him were elevated in 2024 when he became a top 10 QB. Everyone jumped on board. Kudos to all.
Whether it was the retarded play call or Baker fumbling, that was the game right there. Momentum lost. You all expecting 02 bucs defense wasnt being realistic when they ranked middle of the pack. So sure, you guys could have blamed Bowles who somehow got a fuckin extension in the summer following that game, but Baker was the one who made me question...."is this guy just a fucking loser?"
And he sure won me back the first 6 games of 2025. 5-1 record, dude playing at an MVP type level...then something happened in Detroit game; wasn't sure if it mentally fucked with him that Evans got hurt or what....but he proceeded to play like shit in a majority of the remaining games....like brutally bad to mediocre at best.
So while i am 120% supportive of firing Bowles, Baker has alot to prove this upcoming year because his bone headed turnovers are not made up for by heroic efforts.
He led comeback wins in any of the early games last year but it's not like we were putting up 30 points a game on offense either.
So you're fairweather? Lmfao
When he's good I like him when he's average I don't...
That's fine but it's just not necessary to explain
it's the Philadelphia in me
would argue that 2024 is looking more like a fluke for him though
my guy surpassed 40 touchdown passes and his encore was having his worst year as a Buc.
he played so bad, Mike Evans was like...nah im good.
so in 2024 he played great most of the year, had 1 down game in the playoffs and cost his team the game.
in 2025, he played like shit most of the year, had a few great games, but cost his team the playoffs
The defense is ass but we live and die with the QB and Baker was one of the main reasons we missed playoffs last year
Maybe he can earn my fandom back, but right now, hes a big reason we are a pretender at best.
EDIT: and i know, we dont have many options, not going to be like some and claim for a guy like Trask who will be out of the league shortly. Baker is the best we got....but this year will tell us whether he is a longer term solution or not.