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I think Oline, Secondary/and LBrs are our most pressing needs IMHO.  At the bottom of the draft I might add some developmental picks like a speedster RB, or a Giant FB, something like that.  I think Ko was supposed to be that "tool" the smack you in the MOUTH blocker that could ALSO catch, what happened because Otton can sometimes catch and sum-times block like a Big Boy.

 
Posted : Jan. 23, 2024 8:08 pm
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As it stands I think Edge, IOL, S, TE, CB, WR, MLB are the major needs. I know some will question WR being on that list, and that's okay.  We have some bad contracts on this team currently (Jensen,Godwin,Shaq,Gage) Thankfully Jensen restructured his deal to help out the team during his transition into retirement.

Edge- YaYa was a stud find by Licht, Shaq Barrett is clearly washed at this point, and his contract is just terrible.  If he's cut with a post june 1st designation the team the team can save just under 5 mil toward the cap with just under 10 in dead cap.  JTS is at a crossroads.  He is toeing the line of being a career Anthony Nelson/Carl Nassib type of situational player.  The others as mentioned are mainly depth.  I am curious about Watts as I would have liked to have seen him get more snaps to see what he is.

IOL- Feiler/Stinnie if you put them together might make a serviceable LG, but currently neither one is better than stopgap.  Hainsey is too weak, and lacks the meanstreak to play in the middle of the line, both need an massive upgrade

WR- Godwin I know at the time we had to keep our 1-2 combo together.  I still like Godwin as our #2, but I feel he is vastly overpaid, and this contract is just terrible!  He's currently slated to hit FA after 2024 and will carry a dead cap # of 18 million in 2025 regardless of if he's here or not. Also as the player with the highest contract value on the team this year, where was he during the playoffs ?  8 cathes 85 yards and a TD, compared to Evans 11 catches 195 yards and a TD, even  Trey Palmer out performed him with a 3 catches 88 yards and a TD.  Gage was a bad signing based off his production in a contract year. The rest are decent depth guys.  one way or another either Evans or Godwin ( or both ) might be gone after next season depending on if Evans is resigned, so WR is very much a need.

Safety- AWJ is an under-rated (by probowl stands) player, Ryan Neal is a sieve that was picked on every single time he stepped on the field, the rest who knows.  Merriweather may turn into something, but regardless need a talent infusion

TE- Otten is very Jekyl and Hyde, he'll wiff on a block, drop some passes, and then make a highlight grab that makes you think maybe you have something.  He's definitely more of a move TE like Brate.  Need someone who can catch and block ahead of him.

CB- Corner is another maddening position.  Both CD3, and Dean can be very good corners on a good day.  The problem is both miss so much time, and are inconsistent with their play that you never know when a good day will come.  Neither are worth the money that they're making and upgrades should be looked at to groom behind the scenes as Zyon was.  That said Zyon got the most snaps of any corner this year and was pretty consistent with his play.  Izien looks to be a solid nickel.

MLB- Devin likely won't be back, LVD should but will largely depend on how much attention he gets in FA.  Britt filled in admirably, and the defense got noticeably better when Britt was on the field, that said Britt while a vast improvement does have his limitations, and some form of competition should be brought in to challenge him.

 

I have one last caveat to add.  I get in the eyes of the ownership, and some of the fanbase that Bowles with his playoff win earned another year, but if Canales leaves to take the Panthers job, what does our staff look like next year ?  As it was Canales was what the 7th choice (?) after we were turned down by multiple up and coming OC's likely due to Bowles uncertain job stability going into the year.  Fast forward to this year.  Monken if he leaves the Ravens will be for a head coaching job, same with Ben Johnson in Detroit and Slowik in Houston.  Who does that leave available as solid OC replacements from the NFL and college ranks ?  Lastly is Todd Bowles job stability any better this offseason than it was last ?  Yes we made the playoffs and won a game, but if this team takes a step back and finishes say 7-10 and misses the playoffs will Todd survive to coach in 2025 ?

 
Posted : Jan. 24, 2024 1:26 pm
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Posted by: @bucshot420

I have one last caveat to add.  I get in the eyes of the ownership, and some of the fanbase that Bowles with his playoff win earned another year, but if Canales leaves to take the Panthers job, what does our staff look like next year ?  As it was Canales was what the 7th choice (?) after we were turned down by multiple up and coming OC's likely due to Bowles uncertain job stability going into the year. 

Exactly. Why I asked what happens if we sign Mayfield but Canales leaves 

 
Posted : Jan. 24, 2024 1:34 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

Posted by: @bucshot420

I have one last caveat to add.  I get in the eyes of the ownership, and some of the fanbase that Bowles with his playoff win earned another year, but if Canales leaves to take the Panthers job, what does our staff look like next year ?  As it was Canales was what the 7th choice (?) after we were turned down by multiple up and coming OC's likely due to Bowles uncertain job stability going into the year. 

Exactly. Why I asked what happens if we sign Mayfield but Canales leaves 

The second part of that question is what if Canales leaves and the top coordinators that they interview potentially don't see Baker as the QB for their system ?  Do they resign him anyway?  and keep going on down the line till they find someone willing to work with him ?  Or do they cave to the top candidates ?Ultimate question is Did Canales' system enhance Baker, similar to how it did Geno Smith ?  Or did Baker take the next step ?

 

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Posted : Jan. 24, 2024 1:51 pm
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Canales decision will be known prior to any extension for mayfield 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 24, 2024 1:51 pm
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Posted by: @bucshot420

As it stands I think Edge, IOL, S, TE, CB, WR, MLB are the major needs. I know some will question WR being on that list, and that's okay.  We have some bad contracts on this team currently (Jensen,Godwin,Shaq,Gage) Thankfully Jensen restructured his deal to help out the team during his transition into retirement.

Edge- YaYa was a stud find by Licht, Shaq Barrett is clearly washed at this point, and his contract is just terrible.  If he's cut with a post june 1st designation the team the team can save just under 5 mil toward the cap with just under 10 in dead cap.  JTS is at a crossroads.  He is toeing the line of being a career Anthony Nelson/Carl Nassib type of situational player.  The others as mentioned are mainly depth.  I am curious about Watts as I would have liked to have seen him get more snaps to see what he is.

IOL- Feiler/Stinnie if you put them together might make a serviceable LG, but currently neither one is better than stopgap.  Hainsey is too weak, and lacks the meanstreak to play in the middle of the line, both need an massive upgrade

WR- Godwin I know at the time we had to keep our 1-2 combo together.  I still like Godwin as our #2, but I feel he is vastly overpaid, and this contract is just terrible!  He's currently slated to hit FA after 2024 and will carry a dead cap # of 18 million in 2025 regardless of if he's here or not. Also as the player with the highest contract value on the team this year, where was he during the playoffs ?  8 cathes 85 yards and a TD, compared to Evans 11 catches 195 yards and a TD, even  Trey Palmer out performed him with a 3 catches 88 yards and a TD.  Gage was a bad signing based off his production in a contract year. The rest are decent depth guys.  one way or another either Evans or Godwin ( or both ) might be gone after next season depending on if Evans is resigned, so WR is very much a need.

Safety- AWJ is an under-rated (by probowl stands) player, Ryan Neal is a sieve that was picked on every single time he stepped on the field, the rest who knows.  Merriweather may turn into something, but regardless need a talent infusion

TE- Otten is very Jekyl and Hyde, he'll wiff on a block, drop some passes, and then make a highlight grab that makes you think maybe you have something.  He's definitely more of a move TE like Brate.  Need someone who can catch and block ahead of him.

CB- Corner is another maddening position.  Both CD3, and Dean can be very good corners on a good day.  The problem is both miss so much time, and are inconsistent with their play that you never know when a good day will come.  Neither are worth the money that they're making and upgrades should be looked at to groom behind the scenes as Zyon was.  That said Zyon got the most snaps of any corner this year and was pretty consistent with his play.  Izien looks to be a solid nickel.

MLB- Devin likely won't be back, LVD should but will largely depend on how much attention he gets in FA.  Britt filled in admirably, and the defense got noticeably better when Britt was on the field, that said Britt while a vast improvement does have his limitations, and some form of competition should be brought in to challenge him.

 

I have one last caveat to add.  I get in the eyes of the ownership, and some of the fanbase that Bowles with his playoff win earned another year, but if Canales leaves to take the Panthers job, what does our staff look like next year ?  As it was Canales was what the 7th choice (?) after we were turned down by multiple up and coming OC's likely due to Bowles uncertain job stability going into the year.  Fast forward to this year.  Monken if he leaves the Ravens will be for a head coaching job, same with Ben Johnson in Detroit and Slowik in Houston.  Who does that leave available as solid OC replacements from the NFL and college ranks ?  Lastly is Todd Bowles job stability any better this offseason than it was last ?  Yes we made the playoffs and won a game, but if this team takes a step back and finishes say 7-10 and misses the playoffs will Todd survive to coach in 2025 ?

 

From your Keyboard to GOD's EARS.  I think I may have agreed with every word typed there, even the ones I dont like to admit...like where were my Heroes GW!!!4 and AW31.  The only thing I can concieve of is that they were just not featured schematically, not put intentionally in their proper spot and the proper MOMENT (36 seconds even, could been all GW!!!!!5 NEEDED- Block FG BY ASCEND SCOOP the BALL for 6- Tie, Onside kick recovered BY ASCEND- CHASE KICKS A 50+ Yarder and Hits the Left Upright this time and CLANGS INWARD for the GAME- See you in SF 😤 ), to be I'm-PACT'FULL, GW!!!!4 both GAMES, AW3! just in the Lions (Hats off, gl vs the 9'rs) Game.  The other side is that THEY, the PLAYERS GW!!!!4 and AW3! simply didnt show UP strikes me as less likely.  I mean I bet neither of My 2 Heroes, willingly lets the clock run out, but BPHC did...yeah, like that maybe??? I got no better idears atm, sorry.

 

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 24, 2024 2:27 pm
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Robinson teammate , Isaac , nice pass rusher rd 2 or 3 area 

 
Posted : Jan. 25, 2024 9:38 am
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Posted by: @bucshot420

I have one last caveat to add.  I get in the eyes of the ownership, and some of the fanbase that Bowles with his playoff win earned another year, but if Canales leaves to take the Panthers job, what does our staff look like next year ?  As it was Canales was what the 7th choice (?) after we were turned down by multiple up and coming OC's likely due to Bowles uncertain job stability going into the year. 

Exactly. Why I asked what happens if we sign Mayfield but Canales leaves 

The second part of that question is what if Canales leaves and the top coordinators that they interview potentially don't see Baker as the QB for their system ?  Do they resign him anyway?  and keep going on down the line till they find someone willing to work with him ?  Or do they cave to the top candidates ?Ultimate question is Did Canales' system enhance Baker, similar to how it did Geno Smith ?  Or did Baker take the next step ?

 

 

with Bowles as HC the only OC would be one who believes in Mayfield

 

 
Posted : Jan. 25, 2024 12:02 pm
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Posted by: @bucshot420

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Posted by: @bucshot420

I have one last caveat to add.  I get in the eyes of the ownership, and some of the fanbase that Bowles with his playoff win earned another year, but if Canales leaves to take the Panthers job, what does our staff look like next year ?  As it was Canales was what the 7th choice (?) after we were turned down by multiple up and coming OC's likely due to Bowles uncertain job stability going into the year. 

Exactly. Why I asked what happens if we sign Mayfield but Canales leaves 

The second part of that question is what if Canales leaves and the top coordinators that they interview potentially don't see Baker as the QB for their system ?  Do they resign him anyway?  and keep going on down the line till they find someone willing to work with him ?  Or do they cave to the top candidates ?Ultimate question is Did Canales' system enhance Baker, similar to how it did Geno Smith ?  Or did Baker take the next step ?

 

 

with Bowles as HC the only OC would be one who believes in Mayfield

 

 
Posted : Jan. 25, 2024 12:03 pm
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I know Bucs like KJ Britt and Dennis but Jeremiah Trotter JR is going to be a good one. His play style resembles David as the guy isn't going for the big hit (textbook tackler) and usually in the right position to make plays. He's a damn good blitzer too. I wouldn't count him out as the first pick if the EDGE guys our gone. He would be a great replacement for David and be a 10+ year starter as well.

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Posted : Jan. 25, 2024 12:54 pm
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If the rumors and speculation are true that the Bucs pocketbook is going to be closed for new free agents then that changes things  Bucs need to draft interior OL and edge rusher to better compete in 2024.  Then follow that by going best available player at nearly every other position to fortify depth and add developmental players as potential starters down the line: RB, WR, TE, QB, OT, DT, IlB, CB, S.

 
Posted : Jan. 25, 2024 4:23 pm
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Y’all, we need to entertain the idea the Glazers are about to fire Bowles. Don’t be “shocked”

 
Posted : Jan. 25, 2024 5:01 pm
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Posted by: @yomammy

Y’all, we need to entertain the idea the Glazers are about to fire Bowles. Don’t be “shocked”

I mean it is possible or this has been discussed already which is why the Bucs pocketbook is going to stay closed supposedly. 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 25, 2024 5:20 pm
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Posted by: @yomammy

Y’all, we need to entertain the idea the Glazers are about to fire Bowles. Don’t be “shocked”

 

Before that 4th quarter I would have said Blasphemy.  However, that 4th quarter Happened, that limp D happened, and the Time Out dumpster fire (which on its own, could be considered fireable in that context of a game).  Ill say it now, if that WAS intentional, If I  was in charge, that would be either "Your Fired" or " You get'1'chance'to'splain'DAT'RIGHTMMF'ingNOW."  I think Bowles is better at DC, I just dont trust him to Go for the Throat in Big time games if his the one calling the shots, He needs to study some of the greatest ever, they had guts.  Bowles HC'ing style to me...at least, is like Iceman, they way Iceman flew.  But the bargain bin version-Tight and No mistakes- But bargain due to stubbornness and inflexability....Real winners have a DASH+ of Maverick and are willing to try something crazy when appropriate!!!!

 

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Posted : Jan. 25, 2024 7:18 pm
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Canales got a 6 year deal 

 
Posted : Jan. 25, 2024 10:16 pm
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