First, one "Trask supporter" saying the playoffs being meaningless likely meant they felt the team as a whole, regardless of who was at QB, was not capable of winning in the playoffs this year. I don't think we likely are going to win either, but you never know until you play the games. Doesn't mean they didn't want to be in the playoffs.
Second, I don't know why you keep trying to extrapolate crap like you do. Would Trask make our lines more physical? Does it matter? Baker had time to hold the ball on almost every pass play. Yeah, he got pressured several times and took a couple of sacks after holding the ball for way too long. What does that have to do with you point? Trask doesn't have a history of holding the ball too long (though all QB's will occasionally do so). He does, however, have a history of rapidly progressing through reads and letting the ball go in anticipation, something Baker is very hit or miss on. Would Trask have made a difference yesterday? Don't know. Hard to be worse than the first 3 quarters of action out of Baker.
Let me start by saying that I love Bakers energy, and moxie. He has definitely outplayed his contract. What I do not like about Baker is his propensity to have passes batted at the line, holds the ball too long, and doesn't see receivers that are running open in the middle of the field. Do I think Trask would have done better yesterday ? I have no idea, but as was mentioned previously Baker had plenty of time to double clutch and hold the ball yesterday, not to mention running directly into at least 1 sack. What i do believe is that Trask is able to see over his line to be able to spot receivers running open in the middle of the field, as well as have a launch point that would likely prevent as many batted balls. I've mentioned previously that I think this offseason has many variables. Will Bowles be kept as coach? If he is I think Baker is resigned and other aspects of the team are focused on in the draft and Free Agency. If he's not I'd like to see an offensive mind come in to take over. if it's Monken, I could see him taking a QB early then building the OL, if it's Brian Johnson ( Trask' college coordinator ) I could see it go either way. Keep and play Trask, or draft a QB and play Trask as a bridge QB who may or may not ball out ( at least our fanbase would know what he was ). Regardless Evans needs to be kept in place to help whomever the QB is next year with another Elite weapon.
I think that is a fair assessment from a Trask supporter. No issue with that at all. That said though, it should be pretty obvious that Trask is not going to take over solely because he's taller (a point made in the post) and he's not going to take over because the entire team got stomped by the Saints because Mayfield's body of work (as frustrating as it can be) includes all those wins before.
Maybe Trask would win out if Baker continues to play inconsistently BUT the more realistic scenario is that Baker gets a contract that puts Trask at an even bigger disadvantage, fairly or otherwise.
Thats just NFL football. If he's a good as most Gator fans say he's certainly going to get a chance somewhere. Trask had a chance WITH THE BUCS when he was the back up to Brady and Brady retired. It probably says something that they brought in Baker. Trask had another chance when Baker was just a $4 million reclamation project and Trask did not win. I know Gator fans explain that all away in a number of ways BUT if Trask was great he wins and he starts this year, so he may have missed his chance with the Bucs.
Trask sounds a lot like "trash".
(easy jersey edit) 😀
I'd rather have TIMMMAAAAYYY at QB over trask.
First, one "Trask supporter" saying the playoffs being meaningless likely meant they felt the team as a whole, regardless of who was at QB, was not capable of winning in the playoffs this year. I don't think we likely are going to win either, but you never know until you play the games. Doesn't mean they didn't want to be in the playoffs.
Second, I don't know why you keep trying to extrapolate crap like you do. Would Trask make our lines more physical? Does it matter? Baker had time to hold the ball on almost every pass play. Yeah, he got pressured several times and took a couple of sacks after holding the ball for way too long. What does that have to do with you point? Trask doesn't have a history of holding the ball too long (though all QB's will occasionally do so). He does, however, have a history of rapidly progressing through reads and letting the ball go in anticipation, something Baker is very hit or miss on. Would Trask have made a difference yesterday? Don't know. Hard to be worse than the first 3 quarters of action out of Baker.
Let me start by saying that I love Bakers energy, and moxie. He has definitely outplayed his contract. What I do not like about Baker is his propensity to have passes batted at the line, holds the ball too long, and doesn't see receivers that are running open in the middle of the field. Do I think Trask would have done better yesterday ? I have no idea, but as was mentioned previously Baker had plenty of time to double clutch and hold the ball yesterday, not to mention running directly into at least 1 sack. What i do believe is that Trask is able to see over his line to be able to spot receivers running open in the middle of the field, as well as have a launch point that would likely prevent as many batted balls. I've mentioned previously that I think this offseason has many variables. Will Bowles be kept as coach? If he is I think Baker is resigned and other aspects of the team are focused on in the draft and Free Agency. If he's not I'd like to see an offensive mind come in to take over. if it's Monken, I could see him taking a QB early then building the OL, if it's Brian Johnson ( Trask' college coordinator ) I could see it go either way. Keep and play Trask, or draft a QB and play Trask as a bridge QB who may or may not ball out ( at least our fanbase would know what he was ). Regardless Evans needs to be kept in place to help whomever the QB is next year with another Elite weapon.
I think that is a fair assessment from a Trask supporter. No issue with that at all. That said though, it should be pretty obvious that Trask is not going to take over solely because he's taller (a point made in the post) and he's not going to take over because the entire team got stomped by the Saints because Mayfield's body of work (as frustrating as it can be) includes all those wins before.
Maybe Trask would win out if Baker continues to play inconsistently BUT the more realistic scenario is that Baker gets a contract that puts Trask at an even bigger disadvantage, fairly or otherwise.
Thats just NFL football. If he's a good as most Gator fans say he's certainly going to get a chance somewhere. Trask had a chance WITH THE BUCS when he was the back up to Brady and Brady retired. It probably says something that they brought in Baker. Trask had another chance when Baker was just a $4 million reclamation project and Trask did not win. I know Gator fans explain that all away in a number of ways BUT if Trask was great he wins and he starts this year, so he may have missed his chance with the Bucs.
Wouldn't classify myself as a Trask supporter necessarily. I will point out that I am a lifelong Gator fan, BUTTTT I am able to separate and understand that the college and pro games are completely different. Do I root for Gator players to succeed in the league ? For the most part yes, but do I think that they're superior to other players just because of where they went to school ? Absolutely not ! I don't care who is the QB is for the Bucs I support them and root for them (except Trent Dilfer ) it could be a fan in section 328 as long as they played well and won games. I rooted for Tampa to take Winston over Mariota because I felt he was a superior talent. I don't care where they went to college as long as they are good players for our Bucs. The only reason that I want to give Trask a true shot is because of the draft capital that was invested in him. If he busts he busts, you move on and get someone else, but I'd rather see what we have with him rather than have him possibly move on as an unknown and take some other team to the promised land (or not )
As with all QB's, there's a ton of conjecture about whether or not they are starter material or not. Until they actually get there shot. Do I really need to put up a list of QB's teams and people thought would never be starters but became them again? Will those of you who keep trying to dis Trask just learn to let it go because you don't know what you are talking about...or do I have to mention Purdy again? Or the GOAT? How many QB's have come off the bench and played as well as Baker this year? I mean seriously. Take the damn L and move on. You know not what you are speaking of, and the rest of us get it. You don't like him because he's a Gator. Period. It's the only reason. And it's stupid.
Do I really need to put up a list of QB's teams and people thought would never be starters but became them again? Will those of you who keep trying to dis Trask just learn to let it go because you don't know what you are talking about...or do I have to mention Purdy again? Or the GOAT?
You must be Buggsy or his cousin or its a Gator thing
Your'e suggesting Trask might be a starter because . . . . of the most notable exceptions to the general reality???? While calling other people dumb. . .
You don't like him because he's a Gator. Period. It's the only reason.
There's not a single post here to suggest that?
Most of the (non-Gator) posts about Trask are that that he would've won the job if he was better or that he isn't going to get a shot NOW because of the circumstances
this thread was, essentially, its not over yet, the NO loss was NOT the end of the world . .. . yet . .. . and its become about Mayfield/Trask LOL
weird . . .
oh wait . . thats because real "foootball acumen" is expressed as the "QB gets credit/blame" . . . . except in 2022 . .. because everyone knows the GOAT QB was manhandled in to throwing the ball over and over by a know nothing OC pencil holder. Everyone knows Brady would've preferred to run it! He just couldn't convince Bowles of that!!!!
Even as he played through Gisele tears (according to BH . . . dont shoot the messenger)
trasK does an 'adequate" job at holding the clipboard.
Meets expectations.
Do I really need to put up a list of QB's teams and people thought would never be starters but became them again? Will those of you who keep trying to dis Trask just learn to let it go because you don't know what you are talking about...or do I have to mention Purdy again? Or the GOAT?
You must be Buggsy or his cousin or its a Gator thing
Your'e suggesting Trask might be a starter because . . . . of the most notable exceptions to the general reality???? While calling other people dumb. . .
We have a second round pick invested in the dude, and he had nearly double the yards per catch that Baker had in the preseason. He was the better QB in most of camp and the preseason, but the Baker nut huggers couldn't accept that. And, many of the posters that have posted negatively about Trask are Seminoles fans. As I have explained many, many, many times, but dense dumb asses like you can't seem to comprehend, I don't want to see him get a chance because he was a Gator. He could have been a Bulldog, and I'd still want him to get a chance based on his play in college and in the preseason, and the fact that we have significant draft capital invested in him. As I have also said many times, Brooks is my favorite player. College loyalties don't mean shit too me at the NFL level. So you can keep saying I only want to see him because I'm a Gator, but that has zero bearing, beyond the fact that I got an extended look at him. Trask does well what Baker does not. And there's really not a lot that Baker does better than Trask. But he had the experience and apparently Todd had a hard on for him, so Baker was gifted the job here. And we are in this situation because of it.
Umm, Trask won’t even be part of the discussion next season. Either the Bucs will re-sign Baker or they will find a new starter through the draft or free agency.
Umm, Trask won’t even be part of the discussion next season. Either the Bucs will re-sign Baker or they will find a new starter through the draft or free agency.
exactly
posted that exact point earlier
he had nearly double the yards per catch that Baker had in the preseason. He was the better QB in most of camp and the preseason
lol
and yet . . ..
and there's really not a lot that Baker does better than Trask. But he had the experience and apparently Todd had a hard on for him
Trask is the better QB but victim of a conspiracy . .. led by a coach who has to win to save his job
We have a second round pick invested in the dude,
Save your breath.
You're arguing with a habitual drunk.
Notice when he loses the argument, he admittedly refers to you as Buggsy (the obsessive homoerotic infatuation knows no limits...he literally can't go more than 2-3 days without typing Buggsy), his relative, Gator fan, etc.
Keep in mind, you're arguing with a Byron defender. A Devin White leg-humper. And, a guy who's football acumen is so low that he actually thinks he's "owning" people by posting multiple threads insinuating that Baker > Brady.
