Again, can you guys stop your usual back and forth fluffing and actually offer a valid reason? Or are you just going to bash everything I say as usual with no real counterpoint?
But is he cute enough to play QB if we need him to?
What would be the problem with drafting Donald as our other DT?3-tech, 1-tech, I mean the dude is a dominant tackle.Surely you could line him up next to McCoy and cause havoc no matter the formation or scheme?That leaves him or McCoy with a 1v1 which will be a disruption.
There's a reason he's not ranked higher...he's only 285 pounds and wins matchups with speed. He's really fast and twichy, but if the guard gets his hands on him and stuffs the initial speed move, there's not much Donald can do. That to me is the obvious flaw in his game...he's not big and fast..just really fast for a D-lineman. If you watch the video you posted, Maylock makes the same point. Like the guy...but would not reach for him dor two reasons:1. The flaw I spoke about2. The depth of the DT position in this draft...I mean you have Donald, Timmy Jerrigan, Louis Nix, Will Sutton, ....and a whole bunch of decent DTs. One or more will be available in the second round.
Oh man.. trying to be poilte here, but "wins matchups with speed"... Olineman cant block him because he's too fast and way too powerfull as well. How could you say that when a gaurd gets his hands on him and stuff the initial speed move there's not much he can do when he literally dominated every game he played in?? Where are the examples of the "not much he can really do". How could they exist when he dominated ever game he played in 2013? Nix ,Sutton and the other DTs in this draft are not even in the same realm.
Look - I don't hate Aaron Donald, just think picking him at #7 would be a reach. When you evaluate someone, it has to be based on projection of what he can do rather than what he did in college. There are many prospects that dominate in college and then go through the learning curve in the Pros. The guards he's going to face in the NFL won't be the same he's faced in his college career..they're going to be bigger, faster and better coached in the right techniques. His main strengths are quickness, relentless, hustle - he's faster than a typical DT, but slower and shorter than a typical DE. His main weakness is being undersized - something he can overcome, but that does make him slightly less than the ideal DT scouts look for. As for examples of what happens when he doesn't win with his initial burst...please check the video at exactly 1:40 minutes onwards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr9nWn4gvBQ
"but slower and shorter than a typical DE. " - Well thats not true tho. Shorter yes but slower no. You think a typical DE in the NFL is low 4.6 speed or under? that was be insane.As far his competition is going to get better.. well yes but so is the competition for every other defensive player in the draft so of course we're rating them on what they did in college. It sounds like you are completely ignoring the fact that he dominated every person he went up against at the senior bowl weekend. As for that quote you want to show on that youtube where Mayock says if you stuff him before the initial quickness you can stop him. First off every Dlineman is going to get stuffed some plays, it even happens to McCoy. The FACT is this kid was stopped less than any other DT in the country last year. Every single game he played in he wrecked the Oline so what does quote from Mayock really mean? its just showing the best thing you can try and do to him. If that happened often than Mayock would have a great point and Donald may have a legit weakness but like I said before, it didnt happen. Theres tons of his full games on youtube, the games where he did not wreck the Oline dont exist.
What would be the problem with drafting Donald as our other DT?3-tech, 1-tech, I mean the dude is a dominant tackle.Surely you could line him up next to McCoy and cause havoc no matter the formation or scheme?That leaves him or McCoy with a 1v1 which will be a disruption.
Thats what im saying. Since Clowney, Teddy, and Manziel will be gone, I have no problem with doing that. Id be fine with Robinson, Id be ok with Watkins even though a WR at 7 isnt what i would do. I would be ok with Mack even tho he its a question mark on how he'll be used. And I would certainly be ok with drafting the most disruptive DT in the draft
Again, can you guys stop your usual back and forth fluffing and actually offer a valid reason? Or are you just going to bash everything I say as usual with no real counterpoint?
Huge fan of Donald, but still have that feeling in the back of my mind that we can get him later than 7. Other feeling says he won't be there if we trade back past 14.Anyway, playing devil's advocate, what was Donald's 3 cone drill time? We know he has burst and can get going straight through the guards and centers, but can he get off the line, change direction, and bend around a curve to get to the QB from a DE position?
If Donald is seen as a DE in scouting circles then he will be gone early. If he is viewed strictly as a 4-3 UT then he will slip. Personally I like him but not over Mathews or Robinson if they are there. Our OL is desperately in need of some young talent.But if he is viewed as strictly a 4-3 DT we may be able to get him in the 2nd round.
Id really prefer a DE over him but if hes the best value then go for it
I really think he has proven today that he can be our LDE on 1st and 2nd down
LOL...what a freaking idiot....
When JDouble is in love no idea is too far fetched.
LOL , nope. Hillarious ...
Again, can you guys stop your usual back and forth fluffing and actually offer a valid reason? Or are you just going to bash everything I say as usual with no real counterpoint?
Huge fan of Donald, but still have that feeling in the back of my mind that we can get him later than 7. Other feeling says he won't be there if we trade back past 14.Anyway, playing devil's advocate, what was Donald's 3 cone drill time? We know he has burst and can get going straight through the guards and centers, but can he get off the line, change direction, and bend around a curve to get to the QB from a DE position?
His 3 cone was 7.11 which is ridiculously good for a DT and on par for a good DE. As you can see, his numbers are on the same level as the much lighter Mack and Barr. Still waiting on the 20 yard shuttle numbers for DL, but it is pretty obvious that this guy is a freak. Khalil Mack 6'3" 251lbs 40 time - 4.65 10 yard split - 1.56 bench reps - 23 arm length - 33 1/4" 3 cone - 7.08Anthony Barr 6'5" 255lbs 40 time - 4.66 10 yard split - 1.56 bench reps - 15 arm length - 33 1/2" 3 cone - 6.82Aaron Donald 6'1" 285lbs 40 time - 4.68 10 yard split - 1.59 bench reps - 35 arm length - 32 5/8" 3 cone - 7.11
But is he cute enough to play QB if we need him to?
Found a partial Scouting Report on Aaron Donald, I'm getting psyched about this guy.Aaron Donald #97 Pitt DT/UT Strengths When you're talking about Aaron Donald, you're talking about a guy who can take his pants off and go get it. When you you're talking about Aaron Donald, you're talking about a young man who believes in core fundamental philosophies. You're talking about a man who fundamentally took Philosophy as a core course for his degree in college. You're talking about the man, the man who off the field has a philosophy to practice sound fundamental techniques and work on his core. You're talking about a boat and a river.... and the boat is going down the river. You're talking about a guy who can put his face on people, the community needs more face time. When you're talking about Aaron Donald, you're talking about a guy who not love DBs like I do... but you're talking about a guy whose core beliefs are fundamentals... and philosophy.... and the core.
I'm glad it's a "safe statement" and "fair" to say that he's probably a better UT than a DE. Good grief.
I'm glad it's a "safe statement" and "fair" to say that he's probably a better UT than a DE. Good grief.
And why does that bother you? It's like walking on fucking eggshells in here. No matter what I say, somebody takes offense. Good grief is right!
And why does that bother you? It's like walking on **CENSORED**ing eggshells in here. No matter what I say, somebody takes offense. Good grief is right!
Are you suggesting that you regularly step on eggs? I mean... are these live eggs we're talking about here? Maybe you make a different analogy, should I be concerned? You say something like, "It's like shooting infants in the face in here!" I'm concerned, I just don't know anymore... I just don't know.... baby chickens probably getting stepped on by some dude reenacting Godzilla Vs. Mothra.
I'm not offended, JD. I don't get offended by opinions about football players. I just think it's bizarre. You started by taking an outside-the-box, minority opinion - a creative way to think of Donald in a Bucs system - which is based on basically a comparison of combine numbers and weights between Donald - who as far as I can tell has never played DE - and guys who have played DE much of their careers. I don't agree with it for a variety of reasons, but one will suffice - you are taking the best thing the guy does away from him. But hey - you made your best case. But over the course of the thread you've flipped it so that somehow it's become barely tolerable to see a guy who just about everyone believes is the best 3-tech in the draft as an actual 3-tech! What's more amazing is just about the entire board loves Donald, and somehow you've managed to turn into you against the world.
I'm not offended, JD. I don't get offended by opinions about football players. I just think it's bizarre. You started by taking an outside-the-box, minority opinion - a creative way to think of Donald in a Bucs system - which is based on basically a comparison of combine numbers and weights between Donald - who as far as I can tell has never played DE - and guys who have played DE much of their careers. I don't agree with it for a variety of reasons, but one will suffice - you are taking the best thing the guy does away from him. But hey - you made your best case. But over the course of the thread you've flipped it so that somehow it's become barely tolerable to see a guy who just about everyone believes is the best 3-tech in the draft as an actual 3-tech! What's more amazing is just about the entire board loves Donald, and somehow you've managed to turn into you against the world.
That's a good post right there.
