Damn, 7? Shit got real in this thread today. I thought I put too much stock in a 40. What happened to the mocks with him going in the 2nd? Weren't we seeing them even after the Senior Bowl that had him slipping past us even? Into the 40's?
Aaron Donald the best pass rushed in this draft class? Are you freaking high or are you just still throwing out as much crap as you can hoping some sticks? You haven't changed at all! You and all your I like this person and that person is fine but damn man you have a love affair for almost half of the damn players eligible for the draft. It's like you think you are some scout running your own business. Why hasn't ESPN asked you to do the draft for them, hell why haven't the Bucs hired you as director of scouting. Aaron Donald is a nice undersized DT, he is not the seventh best player in this draft and he is not the best pass rusher in this draft. Clowney when his head is in the game is by far the best pass rusher.I know how sensitive you get when people don't bow down to your run-on sentences and why played A is better than player B because you say they are so please do us a favor and try to limit who you want at pick #7 to say under 100 guys.
"Aaron Donald the best pass rusher in this draft class?" - No of course not but he is probably the second best."Aaron Donald is a nice undersized DT" - Thats a huge understatement considering he is the most dominant college DT since Suh" he is not the seventh best player in this draft" - Clowney, Teddy, Manziel, Robinson, Watkins, Mack, Mathews(consesus not my opinion), and then Id probably put Donald around here so that makes it around 7-8.For those who dont think he is in the top 10 best players in this draft. Simple question. was he or was he not the most dominant college DT since Suh in 2013? If he was (which he was) how would that at least not make in arguably in the top 10 best prospects.
Damn, 7? **CENSORED** got real in this thread today. I thought I put too much stock in a 40. What happened to the mocks with him going in the 2nd? Weren't we seeing them even after the Senior Bowl that had him slipping past us even? Into the 40's?
We'll see if the internet scout sites move him up, but it wasn't just the 40 time. It was that all his numbers were that of a 250lbs linebacker. He showed what a freak he is today. When you combine today's performance with what he put on tape this season and what he did at the Senior Bowl...it's pretty hard to argue he is a special player. He was already being mocked to the Bears at 14 or the Cowboys at 16.....after today he might be looked at more as a top 10 pick. We'll have to wait and see.
Nice try Mel McShay wanna be. I am stating fact not opinion. Clowney is a supreme talent that's why people would take him #1 as a PASS RUSHING DE. Where is your latest flavor of the day ranked? Oh yeah that's right he is a DT. Last I checked you don't draft DT over DE if you wanna rush the pass.
dum did back in 2010 when he drafted two UTs with his top two picks and didn't draft a DE until the 7th. A guy that ended up becoming a FB. And there was good DE talent in that draft.
I remember when everyone loved the giants nascar rush. Not sure why mccoy donald couldn't be the inside 2 in that package? I'd certainly be fine with taking donald at 7. Only thing I differ with is wearing him out at LE on rushing situations. Use gholston for that. Keep mccoy and donald fresh for passing situations. Win games with 3rd down.
Booker Reese: JD, I don't feel negatively toward you, the thread, or your posts in general. I don't think you should apologize for having a point of view. I just thought it took some weird turns. The biggest source of confusion for me is this - why not just let him rush wreak havoc inside full-time? He's the best inside pass-rusher in this draft and we don't have anything next to McCoy. Why make it unnecessarily complicated.
Agree with these guys. The Seahawks won with rotational guys. We have rotational guys and Donald wouldn't be a bad rotational guy. In fact would be an awesome rotational guy for third down. Who could stop a line with McCoy, Donald, and if we could sign a guy like Allen. It would be a tough line to stop. Third down dominance wins games and division titles.
I agree. It doesn't have to be my way or the highway. I think the important thing is to recognize that he is an elite pass rusher than can play anywhere on the line, and we should take him. The truth is, if we do draft him he will probably take snaps at all four spots at some point.
For those who dont think he is in the top 10 best players in this draft. Simple question. was he or was he not the most dominant college DT since Suh in 2013? If he was (which he was) how would that at least not make in arguably in the top 10 best prospects.
I would say Nick Fairley was more dominant.
For those who dont think he is in the top 10 best players in this draft. Simple question. was he or was he not the most dominant college DT since Suh in 2013? If he was (which he was) how would that at least not make in arguably in the top 10 best prospects.
I would say Nick Fairley was more dominant.
Is Donald as good as Fairley? Will he be? Tough one.
just as sportswriters go, fairley won the lombardi award. donald won the lombardi, bednarik, outland, and nagurski. college stats were pretty similar. fans get caught up in draft position too much for me. if a mccoy-donald combo wrecked 3rd downs for opposing teams who cares if he was drafted at 7 or 15?i just saw a clip from the combine of donald doing what appeared to be an edge drill - he did look pretty quick turning a corner. i still would rather keep him fresh and rotate in at DT, but its not as farfetched giving him more LE snaps as jdoub was campaigning for. im just all about giving these young guys simple jobs and let them play. but i also dont want a mack/barr wasting time at SLB either.
Who's going to get more sacks coming off the edge ? Mack or a DT you move out there ?On run plays does Donald help us stop the run anymore than Spence ? You can Mancrush all you want , but Donald doesn't fit our needs right now, and 7 is too high. Period.
That said if Mack is gone, Donald is a nice consolation.
Who doesn't want a freakin' dancing bear on our team?
Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh: Donald flew under the national radar for most of the season despite emerging as one of the most disruptive defenders in college football. Questions about his size and strength overshadowed his exceptional production and general impact. Although he seemingly silenced critics with a dominant performance at the Senior Bowl, Donald couldn't crack the conversation as a first-round prospect until he put up impressive numbers at the combine. The Pittsburgh standout ranked among the top D-line prospects in the 40-yard dash (4.68), three-cone drill (7.11) and bench press (35 reps) while posting respectable numbers in the vertical jump (32 inches) and broad jump (9-8). Those measurements were complemented by an impressive positional workout that showcased his speed, quickness, agility and strength. Donald zipped through the bags like a dancing bear while flashing the power to knock defenders off the ball with this initial punch.
Who's going to get more sacks coming off the edge ? Mack or a DT you move out there ?On run plays does Donald help us stop the run anymore than Spence ? You can Mancrush all you want , but Donald doesn't fit our needs right now, and 7 is too high. Period.
i disagree with a lot of this. weve got spence to stop the run, we arent drafting donald to stop the run. we also wouldnt be drafting donald to be an edge rusher. i believe he could situationally do it, but lets be real here. we would draft him to penetrate in the middle. is there not a defensive front that can take advantage of 2 of the best DTs at gaining penetration? i think there is. we've got gholston and clayborn as tough DEs. draft a strict speed guy later in the draft...attaochu, the guy from arky, (lost the love for sam), whomever. but please dont tell me that having an inside combo of mccoy-donald shouldnt be able to wreck havoc inside on passing downs. our needs are to make the QB uncomfortable. if this guy can do it, why is 7 too high?
Who's going to get more sacks coming off the edge ? Mack or a DT you move out there ?On run plays does Donald help us stop the run anymore than Spence ? You can Mancrush all you want , but Donald doesn't fit our needs right now, and 7 is too high. Period.
i disagree with a lot of this. weve got spence to stop the run, we arent drafting donald to stop the run. we also wouldnt be drafting donald to be an edge rusher. i believe he could situationally do it, but lets be real here. we would draft him to penetrate in the middle. is there not a defensive front that can take advantage of 2 of the best DTs at gaining penetration? i think there is. we've got gholston and clayborn as tough DEs. draft a strict speed guy later in the draft...attaochu, the guy from arky, (lost the love for sam), whomever. but please dont tell me that having an inside combo of mccoy-donald shouldn't be able to wreck havoc inside on passing downs. our needs are to make the QB uncomfortable. if this guy can do it, why is 7 too high?
I think a combo of Donald and Attaochu in the first two rounds might be my dream draft. That would be sick!
When I hear people say they wouldn't take a guy at #7, but he'd be a really good pick if we took him five picks later....I have to laugh. The draft is nowhere near that exact of a science. If a guy is a good pick at 12, he'd be just as good a pick at 7. If we can trade back a few spots and still get the guy, then that is ideal of course.....but this idea that Donald, or any prospect from any draft is only a good pick if taken in a certain 5 pick window, is ridiculous. That simply isn't how it works. A guy is either starter and a difference maker, or he isn't. If a guy comes in and is a difference maker right away, he was a great 1st round pick whether you took him at 7, 17, or 27. If he struggles and doesn't have an impact, he was a bad 1st round pick whether you took him at 7, 17, or 27.
jdoub - i read that attaochu didnt perform because of hamstrings? any history of that? i know hamstrings can be chronic.
