Now I really hope we draft the kid. The arguments here alone will be worth it! Rock on, JDub!
How is it you can't comprehend that he would be a top notch run stopper at LE on running downs? You talk like he would need to come off the field or something. Michael Bennett split his time about 60/40 between LDE and NT in 2012. He did the same exact thing in Seattle in 2013. Was actually closer to 50/50 there...but Donald can't move around like that? But it's us that don't really know much about the game? Sure. Also, Adrian Clayborn is 2 inches taller than Donald and the same weight. Adrian has the same body type and slightly shorter arms....but Donald had better production and better combine numbers....but he can't play DE because....because....uh...yeah. Kid can play anywhere on the line and dominate just like he played all over the line in college and dominated. Problem is some of you get so caught up with him being labeled UT that you can't just look at him as a pass rusher.
I think there is more to it than physical measurables or "Michael Bennett", which is what you seem to emphasize. Donald has played primarily inside to this point in his career. Being undersized is not as much the issue as learning an entirely new skillset at a higher level of play is. Just because he is faster than X LDE and has the same body type as Y LDE doesn't mean he will be able to develop the skills, learn the techniques, and produce at the same level that he does in his current role.Not saying he couldn't play LDE, but, as many others have pointed out, he has excelled as a 3 technique. It is not certain he would excel to the same extent elsewhere on the field. A lot of question marks for a #7 overall pick when there are much safer picks on the board in all likelihood. Now if Gerald McCoy wasn't a Buc, different story -- Donald at #7 would be a no-brainer.
The thing that kills me. is that even though Donald and Barr had nearly identical numbers at the combine, except that Donald benched 35 reps compared to Barr's 15.....people would rather draft Barr. Barr is overhyped as hell. He was a RB until 2012 and he is raw. The production isn't there and his game tape isn't impressive. So basically, taking a RB that played LB for 2 years, and playing him as a DE.....is safe and smart, but Donald at DE is idiotic and crazy. Lol.
Donald is quite a football player, and now has rung up pretty damned good measurables. The pick would not piss me off if the FA run up filled a couple of holes. Not a darned thing wrong with drafting very good football players especially if the player isn't needed to fill a huge need. The new GM said he was hoping to use FA so he could be on the BPA basis... we will see if he can get there. And if he does this kid might well be on his list.
How is it you can't comprehend that he would be a top notch run stopper at LE on running downs? You talk like he would need to come off the field or something. Michael Bennett split his time about 60/40 between LDE and NT in 2012. He did the same exact thing in Seattle in 2013. Was actually closer to 50/50 there...but Donald can't move around like that? But it's us that don't really know much about the game? Sure. Also, Adrian Clayborn is 2 inches taller than Donald and the same weight. Adrian has the same body type and slightly shorter arms....but Donald had better production and better combine numbers....but he can't play DE because....because....uh...yeah. Kid can play anywhere on the line and dominate just like he played all over the line in college and dominated. Problem is some of you get so caught up with him being labeled UT that you can't just look at him as a pass rusher.
I think there is more to it than physical measurables or "Michael Bennett", which is what you seem to emphasize. Donald has played primarily inside to this point in his career. Being undersized is not as much the issue as learning an entirely new skillset at a higher level of play is. Just because he is faster than X LDE and has the same body type as Y LDE doesn't mean he will be able to develop the skills, learn the techniques, and produce at the same level that he does in his current role.Not saying he couldn't play LDE, but, as many others have pointed out, he has excelled as a 3 technique. It is not certain he would excel to the same extent elsewhere on the field. A lot of question marks for a #7 overall pick when there are much safer picks on the board in all likelihood. Now if Gerald McCoy wasn't a Buc, different story -- Donald at #7 would be a no-brainer.
If that is your opinion then that is fair and I won't try to say you are wrong, but I will say I disagree completely. I think you are over exaggerating the difference between playing UT and playing LDE. The only thing that really changes is his gap responsibilities. As far as doing his job, he already knows how to put his hand in the dirt and beat the man in front of him using multiple pass rush moves. He doesn't have to learn how to do that in some different way. That doesn't change at all. And I don't think for a second that he would have a problem beating team's 2nd best OT when he is use to beating double and triple teams on the inside. Put him out there on an island with most RTs and he is going to be a nightmare.
How is it you can't comprehend that he would be a top notch run stopper at LE on running downs? You talk like he would need to come off the field or something. Michael Bennett split his time about 60/40 between LDE and NT in 2012. He did the same exact thing in Seattle in 2013. Was actually closer to 50/50 there...but Donald can't move around like that? But it's us that don't really know much about the game? Sure. Also, Adrian Clayborn is 2 inches taller than Donald and the same weight. Adrian has the same body type and slightly shorter arms....but Donald had better production and better combine numbers....but he can't play DE because....because....uh...yeah. Kid can play anywhere on the line and dominate just like he played all over the line in college and dominated. Problem is some of you get so caught up with him being labeled UT that you can't just look at him as a pass rusher.
You could make that case for only Aaron Donald and not for Khalil Mack or Anthony Barr? Prototypical pass rushers.Bias much?
Everyone and their mom is making that argument for Mack and Barr. I don't need to. They can apparently go from LB to DE with no problem, but a 285lbs UT with LB speed can't. How many of those 3-4 LB tweener guys have successfully made the switch to 4-3 DE and been dominant anyways?
They both would be LBs here and edge rushers on passing downs ala Von Miller... What part of that is everybody missing?
Wow. So you would love for us to take a Sam linebacker at #7......but I'm the one being foolish? If he isn't a DE, than there is no way in hell you take him. We spend over 50% of our time in Nickel or Dime so he would be on the sideline watching the game most the time. Horrible value.
Wow. So you would love for us to take a Sam linebacker at #7......but I'm the one being foolish? If he isn't a DE, than there is no way in hell you take him. We spend over 50% of our time in Nickel or Dime so he would be on the sideline watching the game most the time. Horrible value.
Von Miller is a SAM LB, Clay Matthews would be a SAM here... I'll take them at 7 all day.And just because he's the SAM doesn't mean he'll be off the field 50% of the time. You're just thinking like you're playing Madden now.When does Denver take off Von Miller? Never.No need to be obtuse about it because you clearly know more football than that. That's like saying we'll take off our freakish edge rusher on passing downs to leave Akeem Spence in.
How is it you can't comprehend that he would be a top notch run stopper at LE on running downs? You talk like he would need to come off the field or something. Michael Bennett split his time about 60/40 between LDE and NT in 2012. He did the same exact thing in Seattle in 2013. Was actually closer to 50/50 there...but Donald can't move around like that? But it's us that don't really know much about the game? Sure. Also, Adrian Clayborn is 2 inches taller than Donald and the same weight. Adrian has the same body type and slightly shorter arms....but Donald had better production and better combine numbers....but he can't play DE because....because....uh...yeah. Kid can play anywhere on the line and dominate just like he played all over the line in college and dominated. Problem is some of you get so caught up with him being labeled UT that you can't just look at him as a pass rusher.
I think there is more to it than physical measurables or "Michael Bennett", which is what you seem to emphasize. Donald has played primarily inside to this point in his career. Being undersized is not as much the issue as learning an entirely new skillset at a higher level of play is. Just because he is faster than X LDE and has the same body type as Y LDE doesn't mean he will be able to develop the skills, learn the techniques, and produce at the same level that he does in his current role.Not saying he couldn't play LDE, but, as many others have pointed out, he has excelled as a 3 technique. It is not certain he would excel to the same extent elsewhere on the field. A lot of question marks for a #7 overall pick when there are much safer picks on the board in all likelihood. Now if Gerald McCoy wasn't a Buc, different story -- Donald at #7 would be a no-brainer.
If that is your opinion then that is fair and I won't try to say you are wrong, but I will say I disagree completely. I think you are over exaggerating the difference between playing UT and playing LDE. The only thing that really changes is his gap responsibilities. As far as doing his job, he already knows how to put his hand in the dirt and beat the man in front of him using multiple pass rush moves. He doesn't have to learn how to do that in some different way. That doesn't change at all. And I don't think for a second that he would have a problem beating team's 2nd best OT when he is use to beating double and triple teams on the inside. Put him out there on an island with most RTs and he is going to be a nightmare.
I'm not saying he couldn't do those things, kid is a beast. I just don't think its fair to say "he would be a top notch run stopper at LE on running downs" as if it is a matter of fact. There are legitimate questions about where he would/could play and how effective he could be and whether or not it would be a waste of his talents if he's not playing UT. These are fair points.For what its worth I think the same questions exist around Barr or Mack playing RDE. Definitely risky at #7 when they're both clearly better suited for a 3-4 scheme.
I'll also say that I've seen enough from Donald, Barr, and Mack to get excited about any one of them if they end up in Tampa.
How is it you can't comprehend that he would be a top notch run stopper at LE on running downs? You talk like he would need to come off the field or something. Michael Bennett split his time about 60/40 between LDE and NT in 2012. He did the same exact thing in Seattle in 2013. Was actually closer to 50/50 there...but Donald can't move around like that? But it's us that don't really know much about the game? Sure. Also, Adrian Clayborn is 2 inches taller than Donald and the same weight. Adrian has the same body type and slightly shorter arms....but Donald had better production and better combine numbers....but he can't play DE because....because....uh...yeah. Kid can play anywhere on the line and dominate just like he played all over the line in college and dominated. Problem is some of you get so caught up with him being labeled UT that you can't just look at him as a pass rusher.
I think there is more to it than physical measurables or "Michael Bennett", which is what you seem to emphasize. Donald has played primarily inside to this point in his career. Being undersized is not as much the issue as learning an entirely new skillset at a higher level of play is. Just because he is faster than X LDE and has the same body type as Y LDE doesn't mean he will be able to develop the skills, learn the techniques, and produce at the same level that he does in his current role.Not saying he couldn't play LDE, but, as many others have pointed out, he has excelled as a 3 technique. It is not certain he would excel to the same extent elsewhere on the field. A lot of question marks for a #7 overall pick when there are much safer picks on the board in all likelihood. Now if Gerald McCoy wasn't a Buc, different story -- Donald at #7 would be a no-brainer.
Your arguement against Donald would also apply to Mack and Barr. Especially Barr. I usually disagree with most everything JDub says, but in this instance he is making you guys look bad and you don't even realize it. He is using the exact same arguement for Donald that most of this board is using to justify Mack or Barr and every counter arguement presented to him also applies to Mack and Barr. There really is no way to discredit his case without also discrediting your own (directed at all those foaming at the mouth for Mack or Barr not this poster specifically). Well played JDub, well played.
How is it you can't comprehend that he would be a top notch run stopper at LE on running downs? You talk like he would need to come off the field or something. Michael Bennett split his time about 60/40 between LDE and NT in 2012. He did the same exact thing in Seattle in 2013. Was actually closer to 50/50 there...but Donald can't move around like that? But it's us that don't really know much about the game? Sure. Also, Adrian Clayborn is 2 inches taller than Donald and the same weight. Adrian has the same body type and slightly shorter arms....but Donald had better production and better combine numbers....but he can't play DE because....because....uh...yeah. Kid can play anywhere on the line and dominate just like he played all over the line in college and dominated. Problem is some of you get so caught up with him being labeled UT that you can't just look at him as a pass rusher.
I think there is more to it than physical measurables or "Michael Bennett", which is what you seem to emphasize. Donald has played primarily inside to this point in his career. Being undersized is not as much the issue as learning an entirely new skillset at a higher level of play is. Just because he is faster than X LDE and has the same body type as Y LDE doesn't mean he will be able to develop the skills, learn the techniques, and produce at the same level that he does in his current role.Not saying he couldn't play LDE, but, as many others have pointed out, he has excelled as a 3 technique. It is not certain he would excel to the same extent elsewhere on the field. A lot of question marks for a #7 overall pick when there are much safer picks on the board in all likelihood. Now if Gerald McCoy wasn't a Buc, different story -- Donald at #7 would be a no-brainer.
Your arguement against Donald would also apply to Mack and Barr. Especially Barr. I usually disagree with most everything JDub says, but in this instance he is making you guys look bad and you don't even realize it. He is using the exact same arguement for Donald that most of this board is using to justify Mack or Barr and every counter arguement presented to him also applies to Mack and Barr. There really is no way to discredit his case without also discrediting your own (directed at all those foaming at the mouth for Mack or Barr not this poster specifically). Well played JDub, well played.
It's almost the same argument but the only thing is, when do teams draft a great UT prospect to play them at LE?The blueprint for Mack and Barr is already been laid out in Denver and it works.
How is it you can't comprehend that he would be a top notch run stopper at LE on running downs? You talk like he would need to come off the field or something. Michael Bennett split his time about 60/40 between LDE and NT in 2012. He did the same exact thing in Seattle in 2013. Was actually closer to 50/50 there...but Donald can't move around like that? But it's us that don't really know much about the game? Sure. Also, Adrian Clayborn is 2 inches taller than Donald and the same weight. Adrian has the same body type and slightly shorter arms....but Donald had better production and better combine numbers....but he can't play DE because....because....uh...yeah. Kid can play anywhere on the line and dominate just like he played all over the line in college and dominated. Problem is some of you get so caught up with him being labeled UT that you can't just look at him as a pass rusher.
I think there is more to it than physical measurables or "Michael Bennett", which is what you seem to emphasize. Donald has played primarily inside to this point in his career. Being undersized is not as much the issue as learning an entirely new skillset at a higher level of play is. Just because he is faster than X LDE and has the same body type as Y LDE doesn't mean he will be able to develop the skills, learn the techniques, and produce at the same level that he does in his current role.Not saying he couldn't play LDE, but, as many others have pointed out, he has excelled as a 3 technique. It is not certain he would excel to the same extent elsewhere on the field. A lot of question marks for a #7 overall pick when there are much safer picks on the board in all likelihood. Now if Gerald McCoy wasn't a Buc, different story -- Donald at #7 would be a no-brainer.
Your arguement against Donald would also apply to Mack and Barr. Especially Barr. I usually disagree with most everything JDub says, but in this instance he is making you guys look bad and you don't even realize it. He is using the exact same arguement for Donald that most of this board is using to justify Mack or Barr and every counter arguement presented to him also applies to Mack and Barr. There really is no way to discredit his case without also discrediting your own (directed at all those foaming at the mouth for Mack or Barr not this poster specifically). Well played JDub, well played.
For what its worth I think the same questions exist around Barr or Mack playing RDE. Definitely risky at #7 when they're both clearly better suited for a 3-4 scheme.
How is it you can't comprehend that he would be a top notch run stopper at LE on running downs? You talk like he would need to come off the field or something. Michael Bennett split his time about 60/40 between LDE and NT in 2012. He did the same exact thing in Seattle in 2013. Was actually closer to 50/50 there...but Donald can't move around like that? But it's us that don't really know much about the game? Sure. Also, Adrian Clayborn is 2 inches taller than Donald and the same weight. Adrian has the same body type and slightly shorter arms....but Donald had better production and better combine numbers....but he can't play DE because....because....uh...yeah. Kid can play anywhere on the line and dominate just like he played all over the line in college and dominated. Problem is some of you get so caught up with him being labeled UT that you can't just look at him as a pass rusher.
I think there is more to it than physical measurables or "Michael Bennett", which is what you seem to emphasize. Donald has played primarily inside to this point in his career. Being undersized is not as much the issue as learning an entirely new skillset at a higher level of play is. Just because he is faster than X LDE and has the same body type as Y LDE doesn't mean he will be able to develop the skills, learn the techniques, and produce at the same level that he does in his current role.Not saying he couldn't play LDE, but, as many others have pointed out, he has excelled as a 3 technique. It is not certain he would excel to the same extent elsewhere on the field. A lot of question marks for a #7 overall pick when there are much safer picks on the board in all likelihood. Now if Gerald McCoy wasn't a Buc, different story -- Donald at #7 would be a no-brainer.
Your arguement against Donald would also apply to Mack and Barr. Especially Barr. I usually disagree with most everything JDub says, but in this instance he is making you guys look bad and you don't even realize it. He is using the exact same arguement for Donald that most of this board is using to justify Mack or Barr and every counter arguement presented to him also applies to Mack and Barr. There really is no way to discredit his case without also discrediting your own (directed at all those foaming at the mouth for Mack or Barr not this poster specifically). Well played JDub, well played.
For what its worth I think the same questions exist around Barr or Mack playing RDE. Definitely risky at #7 when they're both clearly better suited for a 3-4 scheme.
Ok, so they should draft someone to play a position that they have never played...
Oh for **CENSORED**s sake dude. We have been over this ten times! He played both DE spots and both DT spots in college. Almost 50% of his snaps in 2011 were at DE and he had 11 sacks. Stop the madness. I suppose your next post will be about the short arms lie. :o
Alright I'll be honest with you. I did not know that he has played end before so now I feel dumb about that argument. My bad. All I can say I guess is he looks like a 3tech to me and I really don't think he would be anything but an average end in the NFL. Despite how good he is, nothing about his game makes me think he can turn the corner vs NFL tackles or even hold up there at the point of attack.
