Again, can anyone answer what the problem would be with having McCoy and Donald wreaking havoc on the interior?It's not like the nose tackle isn't allowed to pressure the QB and create plays.
We would still have no QB of the future, no WR of the future, no interior OL at all, no TE at all, questionable edge rush, and no coverage ability at S.
So we should draft for need instead of BPA in the top 10? That sounds like a horrible strategy.
I repeatedly preach BPA over need, but come on, the Bucs just went 4-12 last season. They haven't won a playoff game in over 10 years. They need just about everything. The chance Donald is the only good player available is very slim. There are going to be lots of good players.
Maybe it's not Donald, but in the top 10 you have to take BPA. Reaching for need in the top 10 is a sure fire way to fail. Maybe they have Justin Gilbert graded out as their #1 player in the entire draft and think he will be the next Deion Sanders. Doesn't matter is we have bigger needs, you take the best player available in the top 10. Always.
I haven't said anything about reaching for need.
Talking BPA is always an excuse for people who can't argue the merits of their own selection. Basically the argument is always that my guy is clearly BPA and everyone else is a reach and thus a bad idea. Donald is an excellent player but there will be other excellent players on the board at the same time. ...and he's wrong anyway, you take the most value anywhere in the draft. The goal is to win on the field not accumulate talent points.
I mostly agree with BPA. If there was a player like Donald available in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, chances are he'd be worlds better than a player at any other position, so I'd be all over him. It's just that at #7 overall there's more than likely going to be players at other positions as good or better than Donald. That said, if you're going to bypass a potentially really talented player at a non-need position, you need to be pretty open minded about just what your other needs are. You can't say I don't need a DT like Donald nor do I need a receiver like Watkins or Evans, a tight end like Ebron, a tackle like Matthews, or a corner like Gilbert. That's a pretty sure way to find a bust if you rule out more than half the prospects.
Lions were 23rd in pass defense and now shopping both their tackles . That lets you know how that little experiment worked out.That #7 pick better served on an impact position.
That Suh and Fairley never took off as a combo says more about them than the strategy. Truth is it does matter who those two DTs are, especially inside the helmet. Hopefully we can watch McCoy and Donald do what Detroit could only dream of.
Kind of surprised (maybe it's an age thing) nobody has mentioned Henry Thomas/Keith Millard. That worked.
Detroit is shopping either/or of their pass rushing DT's. They realize that having two really doesn't do much because one is always doubled anyways. They now know they'd be better off adding resources elsewhere. Idiots like Jdud apparently need to learn this the hard way ...even after the Booger and Price experiments failed they come back for more , lol
Price didn't fail because he couldn't play - he failed because his body broke.
Kind of surprised (maybe it's an age thing) nobody has mentioned Henry Thomas/Keith Millard. That worked.
Henry Thomas was a 3rd round pick. I don't think anyone is against having two really good pass rushing DTs. It's all about what it costs to get them and if you spend too much, what do you miss out on at other positions in the grand scheme of building a team?
Kind of surprised (maybe it's an age thing) nobody has mentioned Henry Thomas/Keith Millard. That worked.
Henry Thomas was a 3rd round pick. I don't think anyone is against having two really good pass rushing DTs. It's all about what it costs to get them and if you spend too much, what do you miss out on at other positions in the grand scheme of building a team?
I think the bolded part is totally fair; but there are people here who have been objecting to the idea of it working at all because he'd be wasted against a constant double-team. Thomas played the tilted nose, and had 94 sacks.
Detroit is shopping either/or of their pass rushing DT's. They realize that having two really doesn't do much because one is always doubled anyways. They now know they'd be better off adding resources elsewhere.
they realize? Or you are guessing they realize? Or it's just a rumor? Or suh just isn't that good? Or fairley isn't that good? Lots of assumptions it seems.I do agree that drafting a NT high is a bad idea. I , and many others think though, that donald is more than just a NT. But you know this because you are on this thread a lot.
I don't think anyone is against having two really good pass rushing DTs. It's all about what it costs to get them and if you spend too much, what do you miss out on at other positions in the grand scheme of building a team?
i think some folks are against 2 pass rushing DTs...one will be doubled!For the second part, it all comes down to talent evaluation.
I don't think anyone is against having two really good pass rushing DTs. It's all about what it costs to get them and if you spend too much, what do you miss out on at other positions in the grand scheme of building a team?
i think some folks are against 2 pass rushing DTs...one will be doubled!For the second part, it all comes down to talent evaluation.
Count me as one who doesn't think playing the 1-tech is a death knell. But it certainly makes things more difficult.
I don't think anyone is against having two really good pass rushing DTs. It's all about what it costs to get them and if you spend too much, what do you miss out on at other positions in the grand scheme of building a team?
i think some folks are against 2 pass rushing DTs...one will be doubled!For the second part, it all comes down to talent evaluation.
I want two pass rushing DTs because I trust Lavonte David to tackle everything this side of the milky wayedit: About this "one will be doubled" thing... So what, you just put a space-eater there and resign to no pass rush from a guy like Spence (who I DO like and think has a role on this team)Or do you put a guy there that can actually BEAT a double, and get pass rush from all 4 guys (a la Donald)
Detroit is shopping either/or of their pass rushing DT's. They realize that having two really doesn't do much because one is always doubled anyways. They now know they'd be better off adding resources elsewhere. Idiots like Jdud apparently need to learn this the hard way ...even after the Booger and Price experiments failed they come back for more , lol
I actually think they are shopping Suh for a few reasons.1. He's going to be expensive. 2. They have another guy who would cost less and can be a force as well in the middle in Fairley.3. He's kind of been a pain in the ass to deal with. He gets penalties for unnecessary roughness and other calls that hurt the team. There were reports of him being a jerk in the locker room to some guys and disrespecting the coach. Sounds like he could be a distraction. I actually think Donald seems like a good guy, can ball at any position on the line, and would be a solid guy to have in case we don't resign McCoy. It's really not that bad of a pick. He would make our Dline better.
Also, to have a truly ELITE pass rushing defensive line, you don't just need 4 solid starters, you need 5 or maybe even 6 productive guys that can rotateThere's a huge game changing difference between having 4 guys who can bully the O-line maybe 30 or 40 out of 60 offensive plays,and having a fresh rotation of guys that bully the O-line 60 out of 60 offensive playsyou can only expect so much gas out of these 280, 300 pound dudes. That's just real life
Lions are shopping Suh because they can't re-sign him and the franchise tag is out of the question.
The Price pick would have been good if he wasnt so lazy and had a bad attitude. He's out of football already what does that tell you? Booger was solid next to sapp. We had the number one defense when he was playing next to sapp. When he went down we were lucky we had a few other guys who could step in and make plays. Donald and McDonald are both guys who can rotate in with McCoy and we would have a nasty trio while Donald can play other positions too since he would be a high draft pick. Guy can get to the qb and with McCoy and Johnson pass rush skills we may be able to get some serious pressure next year. We have some ball hawks in the secondary and may get a lot of picks if we can provide the pressure.
