This wasn't some years though. This was this year. Mike Evans had a slightly better year than Benjamin. He did so with worse QBing and in one less game. Nod goes to Evans behind OBJ.
That's fine. I haven't argued Benjamin was better. I was just wondering about your garbage numbers argument.
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This wasn't some years though. This was this year. Mike Evans had a slightly better year than Benjamin. He did so with worse QBing and in one less game. Nod goes to Evans behind OBJ.
That's fine. I haven't argued Benjamin was better. I was just wondering about your garbage numbers argument.
To be honest, it was something I said shortly after the Phi game where 4 of his 7 TDs in 10 weeks came when the game was out of reach. There were no such scenarios after that blowout vs Phi though. So the original point did get watered down a bit as the year went on.
Total beast like I thought he would become. I wouldn't have minded him, and he would not have been a wasted pick. Kid could line up anywhere and be highly disruptive. Great future ahead for his football career.
This wasn't some years though. This was this year. Mike Evans had a slightly better year than Benjamin. He did so with worse QBing and in one less game. Nod goes to Evans behind OBJ.
That's fine. I haven't argued Benjamin was better. I was just wondering about your garbage numbers argument.
To be honest, it was something I said shortly after the Phi game where 4 of his 7 TDs in 10 weeks came when the game was out of reach. There were no such scenarios after that blowout vs Phi though. So the original point did get watered down a bit as the year went on.
It is an interesting phenomenon, but like I said I think TD numbers are largely meaningless. As I pointed out, I think you can make the case two of his best five games coming against the Bucs is at least as damning.
Eh big deal. Touchdowns are fluky and can vary a lot year to year. Some years a receiver may get 5, other years he may get 10-15 with comparable yards.
When you draft 6'6" receivers in the first round, you expect them to score TDs. Often.
Eh big deal. Touchdowns are fluky and can vary a lot year to year. Some years a receiver may get 5, other years he may get 10-15 with comparable yards.
When you draft 6'6" receivers in the first round, you expect them to score TDs. Often.
You must have been really disappointed in Calvin Johnson in 2007, 2009, and 2012.
Eh big deal. Touchdowns are fluky and can vary a lot year to year. Some years a receiver may get 5, other years he may get 10-15 with comparable yards.
When you draft 6'6" receivers in the first round, you expect them to score TDs. Often.
You must have been really disappointed in Calvin Johnson in 2007, 2009, and 2012.
First, anytime you try to use a one of a kind player like Megatron, Brady, or Peterson to make an argument....your point is immediate invalid because they are one of a kind and the exception to every rule. When ever someone uses one of these GOATs in attempt to validate their opinion, it seems desperate and misguided. Secondly, Calvin Johnson averages 9.8 TDs per season. Just because you can point out a few years in which he didn't reach that average, it doesn't make your point. One of those years the Lions were lead by Dan the Man Orvlasky and went 0-16. The point is, the amount of TD receptions a receiver has will of course fluctuate each season, but when you use 1st round picks on very tall possession type receivers, you expect them to come up big in the redzone. You expect those TD numbers. That is the #1 reason you draft them.
Eh big deal. Touchdowns are fluky and can vary a lot year to year. Some years a receiver may get 5, other years he may get 10-15 with comparable yards.
When you draft 6'6" receivers in the first round, you expect them to score TDs. Often.
You must have been really disappointed in Calvin Johnson in 2007, 2009, and 2012.
First, anytime you try to use a one of a kind player like Megatron, Brady, or Peterson to make an argument....your point is immediate invalid because they are one of a kind and the exception to every rule. When ever someone uses one of these GOATs in attempt to validate their opinion, it seems desperate and misguided. Secondly, Calvin Johnson averages 9.8 TDs per season. Just because you can point out a few years in which he didn't reach that average, it doesn't make your point. One of those years the Lions were lead by Dan the Man Orvlasky and went 0-16. The point is, the amount of TD receptions a receiver has will of course fluctuate each season, but when you use 1st round picks on very tall possession type receivers, you expect them to come up big in the redzone. You expect those TD numbers. That is the #1 reason you draft them.
Do you even know what Chace and I were discussing?
You said something along the lines of TD totals being largely meaningless. I was simply pointing out that while that might be true for some receivers, it is absolutely an indicator of value when comparing Evans and Benjamin....two extremely tall possession guys taken in the first round.
You said something along the lines of TD totals being largely meaningless. I was simply pointing out that while that might be true for some receivers, it is absolutely an indicator of value when comparing Evans and Benjamin....two extremely tall possession guys taken in the first round.
Chace said that Benjamin piled up all his stats in garbage time of losses. I responded that 4 out of 5 of his games with the most receiving yards were in victories or 1-score losses. Chace responded that he was referring to Benjamin's TD catches (9). I said TD catches don't mean much when evaluating WRs because they can fluctuate so much year-to-year. I've not said Benjamin is better than Evans.
I can't remember where I saw it, but TD totals for receivers tend to be highly variable (I think it's from some fantasy football source). Logically you expect big target guys to be immune, but I'm not sure it works that way in practice. Also, don't understand the obsession with OPI and Evans when the comparison is Benjamin. Both look vulnerable to that charge. And it should be mentioned that Benjamin's drop rate is absurd.
Also, don't understand the obsession with OPI and Evans when the comparison is Benjamin. Both look vulnerable to that charge. And it should be mentioned that Benjamin's drop rate is absurd.
I think GiJoeWasThere was the only one stating this. Probably attempting to further cement his weak and pathetic view that Evans isn't that good. Did OBJ have a better rookie season? Yeah, I'd have to say so. But, Evans gives us a monster at WR and will should be a focal point of our offense for years to come. One of the few bright spots of this abysmal season.
I've not said Benjamin is better than Evans.
I know and I'm not accusing you of saying that. I'm simply pointing out that TDs are in fact an important part of the equation when comparing Evans and Benjamin.
Also, don't understand the obsession with OPI and Evans when the comparison is Benjamin. Both look vulnerable to that charge. And it should be mentioned that Benjamin's drop rate is absurd.
I think GiJoeWasThere was the only one stating this. Probably attempting to further cement his weak and pathetic view that Evans isn't that good. Did OBJ have a better rookie season? Yeah, I'd have to say so. But, Evans gives us a monster at WR and will should be a focal point of our offense for years to come. One of the few bright spots of this abysmal season.
All I have said was that Evans was the 3rd best WR out of this draft class. Watkins, OBJ, Benjamin, even Richardson/Davante Adams have a chance to be better than Evans. We got a good WR at the #7 overall pick. We could have had a great player at that #7.
Also, don't understand the obsession with OPI and Evans when the comparison is Benjamin. Both look vulnerable to that charge. And it should be mentioned that Benjamin's drop rate is absurd.
I think GiJoeWasThere was the only one stating this. Probably attempting to further cement his weak and pathetic view that Evans isn't that good. Did OBJ have a better rookie season? Yeah, I'd have to say so. But, Evans gives us a monster at WR and will should be a focal point of our offense for years to come. One of the few bright spots of this abysmal season.
All I have said was that Evans was the 3rd best WR out of this draft class. Watkins, OBJ, Benjamin, even Richardson/Davante Adams have a chance to be better than Evans. We got a good WR at the #7 overall pick. We could have had a great player at that #7.
Evans is a better receiver with a much sh!ttier QB, this is not up for debate. OBJ and Benjamin would not have had the #s Evans had this season with JM as their QB IMO. There is a huge huge difference between Two Rings/Cam and McCown.
