Not Even Mahomes. Its all depends on the Skill level of the one making the PICK. JL. JL could probably do it, if anyone could it would be him, hes been warming up over the past few years. Even JTS and Hall are "coming-along" slowly. But none of US could do it. We have day jobs, no time to Deep Dive into the details like character details, what people do and how they behave when no ones lookin....none of us have that time. If we were the ones making the picks...we'd all fk'it up. We'd end up drafting Ryan Leaf Over Manning with our First Pick...he was a Buc Afterall. Jamarcus Russell over Manning with the 2nd pick and Jameis Winston in the 6th round....A STEAL (crablegs and all 🍸 )at the 199th pick. Id likely mess it up that badly. 🤔
Not Even Mahomes.
That’s what I said. He’s the only one.
Anyone else in the league is worth trading for FIVE first round picks.
And, you’re wrong on the “none of US could do it” comment.
Over the last 10-15 years on these boards, there’s been NUMEROUS posters who’ve had mocks, draft takes, etc. that would’ve built insanely good rosters.
Man, I remember the epic conversations of the 2014 draft like it was yesterday.
I wanted Donald so bad.
- The market for him would be minimal at best
- No team in the history of the NFL would risk TWO first round picks for Baker (Lol...I mean, come on)
- It would completely screw us from a cap perspective this year
Genuinely asking because I dont really follow the contract stuff.
On the third thing ("completely screw us from a cap perspective this year") you mean because the hit would be $35 or whatever the value is for a QB whereas if they sign him to any typical contract (2 3 or 4 years) the overall value of the contract might be much higher than $35 over time, but maybe the cap hit this year is only in the $20s (hypothetically) because of how it was structured?
FWIW, I think Ive sen two articles suggesting the franchise tag. One was because it was a vehicle to make him prove it with another year of play. The other was to keep him from getting to FA, I think the thought being that the Falcons might take him. Not sure either one is legit.
On the third thing ("completely screw us from a cap perspective this year") you mean because the hit would be $35 or whatever the value is for a QB whereas if they sign him to any typical contract (2 3 or 4 years) the overall value of the contract might be much higher than $35 over time, but maybe the cap hit this year is only in the $20s (hypothetically) because of how it was structured?
Exactly.
,ot Even Mahomes. Its all depends on the Skill level of the one making the PICK.
Not really a CFB fan, so wasnt really following Mahomes in college. I know the Chiefs made a big move to go up to 10 (maybe 12) and get him and that there was already a QB off the board (Trubisky).
IN HINDSIGHT, that move was OBVIOUSLY a no-brainer BUT was that the case AT THE TIME when he was just a college QB coming into the draft? Seems that it was NOT because so many teams passed on him?
So you think, as do I, that if the the organization were to use the tag on Baker, they’re placing an even higher value on him than others would be willing to pay, so as to scare competing teams off - in order to keep him?(I do find it interesting that you think Baker’s worth more than the two…).
Umm…I don’t.
I agree then that value is set at $36m, but the player has to be given something to allow him to sign for less than the leagues determined value for the position. That means higher guarantee, extra years, at a higher annual salary than year one. How they structure the deal for year one - allows them to use the 2nd & 3rd (maybe 4th/voidable) years to be set against the rising cap space of future seasons, and the greatest amount of space to get Mike & AWJ, maybe LVD, and a FA LB to replace D White (although I’m watching for SirVocea), signed.
and a FA LB to replace D White
Lol. We could replace him with an UDFA.
We already have replaced him with Britt.
So you think, as do I, that if the the organization were to use the tag on Baker, they’re placing an even higher value on him than others would be willing to pay, so as to scare competing teams off - in order to keep him?
No.
I don't see the point of risking a tag because no sane GM from another team would give up (or put themselves in a position) TWO first round picks for Baker Mayfield. Hell, there isn't a sane GM that would give up a single first round pick for him.
If they want to "scare off" competing teams, then sign him. The Bucs have the leverage.
If another team is stupid enough to offer him a 4+ year deal with an APY of $40M+, then let him walk. He ain't that guy.
Not Even Mahomes.
That’s what I said. He’s the only one.
Anyone else in the league is worth trading for FIVE first round picks.
And, you’re wrong on the “none of US could do it” comment.
Over the last 10-15 years on these boards, there’s been NUMEROUS posters who’ve had mocks, draft takes, etc. that would’ve built insanely good rosters.
Man, I remember the epic conversations of the 2014 draft like it was yesterday.
I wanted Donald so bad.
Perhaps, in that sense...maybe I'm overly pessimistic. TY DH. I just know I couldn't do it and would likely cause more harm. I leave that to proper trained folk that get paid is all. But some fans are just naturally gifted...Im not. Im just a people person.
Not Even Mahomes.
That’s what I said. He’s the only one.
Anyone else in the league is worth trading for FIVE first round picks.
And, you’re wrong on the “none of US could do it” comment.
Over the last 10-15 years on these boards, there’s been NUMEROUS posters who’ve had mocks, draft takes, etc. that would’ve built insanely good rosters.
Man, I remember the epic conversations of the 2014 draft like it was yesterday.
I wanted Donald so bad.
Listen Donald was also Underrated. If we had could do a redo. Donald may have gone first overall. Sapp fell due to character concerns. Heres my "secret weapon." Yeah we blundered DONALD. But we got a guy....a guy that flashed HARD at times. CK....uhm, listen... in 5 years, HES GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE I "predict."
,ot Even Mahomes. Its all depends on the Skill level of the one making the PICK.
Not really a CFB fan, so wasnt really following Mahomes in college. I know the Chiefs made a big move to go up to 10 (maybe 12) and get him and that there was already a QB off the board (Trubisky).
IN HINDSIGHT, that move was OBVIOUSLY a no-brainer BUT was that the case AT THE TIME when he was just a college QB coming into the draft? Seems that it was NOT because so many teams passed on him?
TOM BRADY SAYS HELLO
If you’re ok with signing him $25/$27m for year one, you’re $8m under market value. You can get a bargain for one or two years, but not for the whole contract. If you sign him to more ‘out’ years, it’s just there for future negotiations/cap space, or convertible to a bonus if it goes well.and a FA LB to replace D White
Lol. We could replace him with an UDFA.
We already have replaced him with Britt.
So you think, as do I, that if the the organization were to use the tag on Baker, they’re placing an even higher value on him than others would be willing to pay, so as to scare competing teams off - in order to keep him?
No.
I don't see the point of risking a tag because no sane GM from another team would give up (or put themselves in a position) TWO first round picks for Baker Mayfield. Hell, there isn't a sane GM that would give up a single first round pick for him.
If they want to "scare off" competing teams, then sign him. The Bucs have the leverage.
If another team is stupid enough to offer him a 4+ year deal with an APY of $40M+, then let him walk. He ain't that guy.
You either tag him, or you pay him. The market is there to protect the players rights. It doesn’t matter what fans think.
Teams don’t have to play, they can part ways, but smart teams figure it out. I’ll bet we’re smart.
Signing Baker, Mike, and AWJ, it would allow us to use the draft to build both lines (prefer o-line first, but good with BOP), add CB, RB, depth.
The salaries are set, your argument is with Daniel Jones & Deshaun Watson (and to some extent, Carr & Geno Smith), and the cap allotment formula won’t be missed by Baker’s agent, and can’t be ignored by JL & crew. Value is not a hard negotiation…in my estimation, it’s just about length & terms.
If you believe the reports, then Kancey may be a redo, of sorts.Not Even Mahomes.
That’s what I said. He’s the only one.
Anyone else in the league is worth trading for FIVE first round picks.
And, you’re wrong on the “none of US could do it” comment.
Over the last 10-15 years on these boards, there’s been NUMEROUS posters who’ve had mocks, draft takes, etc. that would’ve built insanely good rosters.
Man, I remember the epic conversations of the 2014 draft like it was yesterday.
I wanted Donald so bad.
Listen Donald was also Underrated. If we had could do a redo. Donald may have gone first overall. Sapp fell due to character concerns. Heres my "secret weapon." Yeah we blundered DONALD. But we got a guy....a guy that flashed HARD at times. CK....uhm, listen... in 5 years, HES GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE I "predict."
Still would love to see a legit edge from the draft.
If you’re ok with signing him $25/$27m for year one, you’re $8m under market value. You can get a bargain for one or two years, but not for the whole contract. If you sign him to more ‘out’ years, it’s just there for future negotiations/cap space, or convertible to a bonus if it goes well.
I think I've been pretty clear that I would sign him to a 3-year deal at $75M - $90M with roughly 50-55% of it guaranteed.
The salaries are set, your argument is with Daniel Jones & Deshaun Watson (and to some extent, Carr & Geno Smith),
Not really.
Just because some team grossly overpaid for their QB, doesn't mean that Licht has to make the same mistake.
Again, Baker's market will most likely be a bit north of Geno's contract (where Geno's "resurgent" year was better than Baker's version this season).
As I've said, the Bucs have the leverage here.
Listen Donald was also Underrated. If we had could do a redo. Donald may have gone first overall.
Oh, no doubt he would've.
My guess is that Baker will be weighing the deal here - with Mike and an improved line - against going elsewhere for more money. There’s at least one place out there with a previous OC, and a lot of cap space. Other needful teams either have the same cap room, or would have to make some cuts to make a decent offer.If you’re ok with signing him $25/$27m for year one, you’re $8m under market value. You can get a bargain for one or two years, but not for the whole contract. If you sign him to more ‘out’ years, it’s just there for future negotiations/cap space, or convertible to a bonus if it goes well.
I think I've been pretty clear that I would sign him to a 3-year deal at $75M - $90M with roughly 50-55% of it guaranteed.
The salaries are set, your argument is with Daniel Jones & Deshaun Watson (and to some extent, Carr & Geno Smith),
Not really.
Just because some team grossly overpaid for their QB, doesn't mean that Licht has to make the same mistake.
Again, Baker's market will most likely be a bit north of Geno's contract (where Geno's "resurgent" year was better than Baker's version this season).
As I've said, the Bucs have the leverage here.
The only way the Bucs have leverage, is if they tag Baker.
