Here's the FULL breakdown on Baker's contract:
TERMS - 3yr/$100M
SIGNING BONUS - $28,875,000
AVERAGE ANNUAL SALARY - $33.3M
GTD AT SIGNING - $40M (Signing bonus + 2024 salary + $10M of 2025 salary)
TOTAL GTD - $50M ($40M + Additional $10M of 2025 salary becomes fully guaranteed on the 5th league day of 2025...injury guarantee at signing)
ANNUAL INCENTIVES $5M per year
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2024
- Base Salary = $1,125,000
- Prorated Signing Bonus = $9,625,000
- Cap Hit = $10,750,000
- Dead Cap = $40,125,000
2025
- Base Salary = $30,000,000
- Prorated Signing Bonus = $9,625,000
- Cap Hit = $39,625,000
- Dead Cap = $29,250,000
- Post 6/1 Release:
- 2025 Dead Cap = $19,625,000
- 2026 Dead Cap = $9,625,000
- 2025 Savings = $20,000,000
- Post 6/1 Release:
2026
- Base Salary = $40,000,000
- Prorated Signing Bonus = $9,625,000
- Cap Hit = $49,625,000
- Dead Cap = $29,250,000
- Post 6/1 Release:
- 2026 Dead Cap = $9,625,000
- 2027 Dead Cap = $0
- 2026 Savings = $40,000,000
- Post 6/1 Release:
So, as I had mentioned earlier, this is essentially a 2-year deal. And, there's an out after the 2nd year.
If he lights it up next season, I can see them restructuring/extending the deal and converting his 2025 base into a bonus and spreading a portion of it out over the duration of the new deal.
If he reverts back to old Baker, we bail on him after Y2 and eat a little less than $9M in dead money. Technically, we're only locked into him for one year, but they'd give him 2025 no matter how bad he plays.
No matter how it plays out, he won't see the 3rd year of this current deal.
He may have been a statistically better QB, over the course of a career, but he is not the better QB, now.
He requires a line we didn’t have, and still don’t have, in order to flourish, therefore he shouldn’t have been in the conversation. Further, in more career starts, he has fewer playoff wins than the QB we did sign.
omit you were looking for a QB like Cousins, you’d have to invest in a line like we built for Tom Brady…and as the Vikings proved, Kirk doesn’t give you the results for the similar financial commitment.
He additionally now has the age and injury issues.
Not sure why anyone would bring him into this conversation, especially since no one in this conversation wanted him as an option as a starting Buc QB.
So, NOW, you're saying this...
since no one in this conversation wanted him as an option as a starting Buc QB.
Yet, you've previously said posted multiple times stuff like this...
someone certainly brought it up, and you had no problem joining in. You own it as much as anyone else who offered Kirk Cousins as an option for the Bucs.
And, then, there's this...
Yes, because your option is an aging QB, who has a surgically repaired achilles 8 months ago, that’s going to demand $45m per year.
Oh, and let's not forget about this...
it’s not that your belief in Kirk Cousins being a great option for the Bucs is silly, it’s just that, like me, so much of what you think you know about him, just isn’t so, anymore.
So, you say nobody in this conversation wanted him as an option.
But, there's multiple threads and posts with you claiming that people did want him as an option (albeit, you refused to post proof of this).
So, which is it, White Lyin'?
Here's the FULL breakdown on Baker's contract:
TERMS - 3yr/$100M
SIGNING BONUS - $28,875,000
AVERAGE ANNUAL SALARY - $33.3M
GTD AT SIGNING - $40M (Signing bonus + 2024 salary + $10M of 2025 salary)
TOTAL GTD - $50M ($40M + Additional $10M of 2025 salary becomes fully guaranteed on the 5th league day of 2025...injury guarantee at signing)
ANNUAL INCENTIVES $5M per year
______
2024
- Base Salary = $1,125,000
- Prorated Signing Bonus = $9,625,000
- Cap Hit = $10,750,000
- Dead Cap = $40,125,000
2025
- Base Salary = $30,000,000
- Prorated Signing Bonus = $9,625,000
- Cap Hit = $39,625,000
- Dead Cap = $29,250,000
- Post 6/1 Release:
- 2025 Dead Cap = $19,625,000
- 2026 Dead Cap = $9,625,000
- 2025 Savings = $20,000,000
2026
- Base Salary = $40,000,000
- Prorated Signing Bonus = $9,625,000
- Cap Hit = $49,625,000
- Dead Cap = $29,250,000
- Post 6/1 Release:
- 2026 Dead Cap = $9,625,000
- 2027 Dead Cap = $0
- 2026 Savings = $40,000,000
So, as I had mentioned earlier, this is essentially a 2-year deal. And, there's an out after the 2nd year.
If he lights it up next season, I can see them restructuring/extending the deal and converting his 2025 base into a bonus and spreading a portion of it out over the duration of the new deal.
If he reverts back to old Baker, we bail on him after Y2 and eat a little less than $9M in dead money. Technically, we're only locked into him for one year, but they'd give him 2025 no matter how bad he plays.
No matter how it plays out, he won't see the 3rd year of this current deal.
Made a mistake with the math here.
The 2025 savings would be $10M vs. the $20M that I had posted.
My bad.
There’s only a few of you that refuse to stop talking about Atlanta’s new QB.So, NOW, you're saying this...
since no one in this conversation wanted him as an option as a starting Buc QB.
Yet, you've previously said posted multiple times stuff like this...
someone certainly brought it up, and you had no problem joining in. You own it as much as anyone else who offered Kirk Cousins as an option for the Bucs.
And, then, there's this...
Yes, because your option is an aging QB, who has a surgically repaired achilles 8 months ago, that’s going to demand $45m per year.
Oh, and let's not forget about this...
it’s not that your belief in Kirk Cousins being a great option for the Bucs is silly, it’s just that, like me, so much of what you think you know about him, just isn’t so, anymore.
So, you say nobody in this conversation wanted him as an option.
But, there's multiple threads and posts with you claiming that people did want him as an option (albeit, you refused to post proof of this).
So, which is it, White Lyin'?
Anyone who keeps promoting how good our division rival’s QB is, yet refuses to accept that she’s doing it, while taking offense to someone calling them on it, may have a deeper commitment than she’s willing to admit.So, NOW, you're saying this...
since no one in this conversation wanted him as an option as a starting Buc QB.
Yet, you've previously said posted multiple times stuff like this...
someone certainly brought it up, and you had no problem joining in. You own it as much as anyone else who offered Kirk Cousins as an option for the Bucs.
And, then, there's this...
Yes, because your option is an aging QB, who has a surgically repaired achilles 8 months ago, that’s going to demand $45m per year.
Oh, and let's not forget about this...
it’s not that your belief in Kirk Cousins being a great option for the Bucs is silly, it’s just that, like me, so much of what you think you know about him, just isn’t so, anymore.
So, you say nobody in this conversation wanted him as an option.
But, there's multiple threads and posts with you claiming that people did want him as an option (albeit, you refused to post proof of this).
So, which is it, White Lyin'?
For instance, some of us don’t really care about our conference rival’s new QB, and some of us can’t stop re-introducing him into the conversation.
Which one are you?
There’s only a few of you that refuse to stop talking about Atlanta’s new QB
Gets called out on the continuous pathological lying, and continues to double down on being a weak little beta bitch.
Shocker.
I’m done slapping you around.
You don’t scare anyone on a website, and you don’t slap anyone around (in real life or on a website forum). You have some good takes, but others are just, tedious.There’s only a few of you that refuse to stop talking about Atlanta’s new QB
Gets called out on the continuous pathological lying, and continues to double down on being a weak little beta bitch.
Shocker.
I’m done slapping you around.
Let your takes stand, if someone doesn’t agree with you, it doesn’t mean they don’t think you intelligent. No one here wanted Kirk Cousins, apparently not even you, and definitely not for $180m for 4 years. I think I’ve made it clear that Cousins is no longer a good QB, i don’t care what you think about Kirk Cousins, neither did the Bucs. They could have moved on from Baker and competed with Atlanta, but decided Baker is better for the Bucs.
No, I dont care for Kirk Cousins (never have), going back to college, you beat him the same way in big games. No, he’s not an answer for us, he never would have fit here, and regardless of his stats we have the better QB, for us. Even you agree with this.
Moving on.
Mayfield not exactly the greedy, team-killer type
“This is life-changing money and I’m not going to act like otherwise,” Mayfield said."
Funny when stuff gets reported that flies in the face of some of the criticism here last season
"Part of the reason why the running game faltered was the Bucs ran into too many bad looks. Opposing defenses loaded the box in obvious run situations, such as first down, and Canales stubbornly ran into those looks too often for no gain or perhaps a yard or two.
Mayfield wasn’t granted the authority to change the play at the line often. That wasn’t really built into Canales’ offense . . "
or this
"Canales, who was last year’s play-caller, brought in a version of Seattle’s offense, which relies on more 12 personnel, which is one (1) running back and two (2) tight ends – and two receivers as a result. Coen is importing a version of a Los Angeles Rams system, which features more 11 personnel, which is one (1) running back and one (1) tight end – and three receivers as a result.
The carryover between the systems is the scheme, the concepts and some of the terminology. The bridge between the two systems is former Seahawks offensive coordinator Shane Waldron, who spent time with Sean McVay and the Rams and brought that system to Seattle.
Waldron incorporated more two-tight end sets (12 personnel) at the direction of Pete Carroll, who loves a strong running game."
Uhm...who here still cares about the "past." No way to change that. Lets see how this season unfolds. He's got a better supporting cast-teammates, coaching, and Administrative(?) support. I think his best "statistical years" are infront of him, not behind. Before we "slay him" with past stats, lets let him suit up and play this year out. Also keep in mind, we have a BRAND new OC. Sure he has hx with Ballerz, but it was in a backup role capacity. A nice "head start" but its not any more than that, A head start on the "learning curve," so to speak. Im fairly sure, he is going to have his best statistical year, this coming year. A bit more familiar with the WR's, RB's, Oline, and a system that he has at least some familiarity with. Yeah, just give the guy a chance. Just my 2c
Good info, but regardless of this I think the head man still prefers the balanced, complementary style, so I suspect that's where they'll end up. That would mean a strong running game. And as was mentioned by SR the Bucs may have improved the running game last year, but were still dead last in the league. Last in rushing yards. Last in yards per carry. Much of that has to do with the offensive line, but don't be surprised if they add another RB. The problem with Licht hasn't been drafting RBs, but drafting good RBs. White was a hit, Vaughn was a total miss. I think they'll look in the 4th or 5th round to pick up another back. They'll probably draft a WR as well perhaps in the 3rd IMO.or this
"Canales, who was last year’s play-caller, brought in a version of Seattle’s offense, which relies on more 12 personnel, which is one (1) running back and two (2) tight ends – and two receivers as a result. Coen is importing a version of a Los Angeles Rams system, which features more 11 personnel, which is one (1) running back and one (1) tight end – and three receivers as a result.
The carryover between the systems is the scheme, the concepts and some of the terminology. The bridge between the two systems is former Seahawks offensive coordinator Shane Waldron, who spent time with Sean McVay and the Rams and brought that system to Seattle.
Waldron incorporated more two-tight end sets (12 personnel) at the direction of Pete Carroll, who loves a strong running game."
McVay shared in an interview back in 2022 that Coen was basically the architect of the Rams running game that year because Coen believes in a strong rushing attack as the foundation of an offense. So at least philosophically/schematically TB should see a more balanced run/pass ratio in 2024.
Problem for TB is that your guards suck at run-blocking. Rewatched the playoff game vs. PHI last night and both of them were getting pushed 3+ yards into the backfield on every other running play. No amount of motion/misdirection is going to fix how bad your guards are at getting any push, imo.
However, if he can fix that problem, the use of 11 personnel is going to get Godwin back to his slot role, which should help a ton with his efficiency/catch rate.
Coen believes in a strong rushing attack as the foundation of an offense.
A number of people here disagree with that concept even though it plays out every Sunday, especially for teams with mid to average QB play.
will be interesting to see what happens this season
