My problem with Baker isn't that he's a gamer and great teammate. I love his attitude and the way he carries himself with the team. One of my favorite players of all time was Alstott, so I love guys with grit. My problem with Baker is that, at the QB position, you just can't have a guy who's inconsistent. Every QB is going to lay an egg 3-5 times a year, including Brady. That's fine. But double that top end number is what you typically get with Baker, and that costs you way too many wins. And while he can make reads, he tends to be slow to process through them, making it tough at times for him to get to the open 3rd or 4th guy. The faster you can scan through your reads, the more likely you are to be able to get to the open guy and release the ball before the pressure gets you. Baker can have elite games, I just don't see him with the ability to string more than 2 or 3 games together of above average play, and yet, you typically need 4 to win it all in the playoffs. So...if he can't get us through the playoffs and win a Super Bowl...kind of see my point?
Ironically, one of the biggest reasons I wanted to go with Trask was the speed with which he process his reads. I've rarely seen, in college, a QB go through 3 or 4 reads as fast as him. He also throws more accurate, and more catchable passes. In college he tend to arc a bunch of passes to drop them in like a basketball into a hoop. He had to adjust his mechanics and throwing style a little to fit the NFL, as those types of passes are easier for DB's to have time to get to. This year was great for being able to go to the playoffs but felt like a year of putting the franchise back by not finding out what Trask could be, or not, and either building around him or getting another QB to try and build around. We'll see how things go, but I just don't see a Super Bowl unless we get our defense to be elite, ala Ravens. We'll see.
And that is the crux of the Matter. Who is He Really? Thus far through what- 6 years or so- he's been the "picture of inconsistency"- Tru Dat, but I counter, how can he develop consistency if he had more OC's that Years in the league. His entire environment has been as tumultuous as his play, perhaps even a reflection that goes both ways. I see a Guy that after the Iggles Game- Had THAT SMILE and THAT SWAG, AND THAT SHOW OFF performance, and yet...somehow he is Always humble, always defers credit. That is a man that I know, A man that wakes up first and goes to bed last for his family, the one to both buy the food AND cook the meals...and yet be the Last to Eat. I think his envionrment is as "tight" as it ever has been for him and I think its, at least consistent with my beliefs that maybe he just needed 2 games and two seasons with perhaps alittle consistency before I BRAND him as "an inconsistent tiger" Incapable of changing its stripes...I dunno man, I think a tiger big enough can change his own stripes- Like the FATHER of MUFASA level Tiger, thT Mf'ing tiger can change the color of its "MAI*N if it came in the way of feeding family. I dont want to let Baller or Canales go, if for nothing more than the 'what if' chance. Ill bet on Baller in a 'what if' scenario- Like maybe the ball back with 30 seconds on the clock with a chance to tie up---->>>> OT---What IF--->>Bring on the 49ers--->> What if... Well neither I, nor you, were even given that opportunity to watch what if unfold for its dam self- HC CHOSE . Run this back NEXT YEAR!!!! I think TLDR-He CAN possibly change his stripes and become more consistent. I even think it started with his last two games, Im betting on him carrying that over and learning and licking his wounds in the meantime, I cant wait until NEXT year. But, B and C...what to du what to du. At this point- Ill rearrange my alphabet, and in mine alphabet, the C comes BEFORE the B and the P. ACDGFHIJKLMNOQRSTUVWXYZBP-for now anyway, Ill D(c)hange it C(b)a(now its getting annoying-dun4now)ck when i start "unintentionally miss)elling words, or intentionally forgetting to ca(p)italize(last one-and i messed it up- alpha revert) my i's(I)Q><Q's.
Shoot, a legit typos hahahaha
Well, he may get the chance to have two years straight of the same OC assuming both he and Canales are back. But the things that make him inconsistent, are things I don't think really tie into having different OC's. You don't become faster at reading defenses due to the OC (usually - though being under a poor coach and then a great one could help in this area). His tendency to panic in collapsing pockets isn't something that goes away either, and even the best o-lines will give up pressures from time to time. This is another area the Trask was great at, by the way. He would stand in the pocket and keep his eyes downfield to throw even though he knew he would get hit, and do that consistently. Baker will do that from time to time, but he usually gets jittery out there.
I have a feeling we'll find out. If we're in this same boat at the end of next season, though, think about how much time will have been wasted chasing a guy's top end play that only shows up 2-4 times a year.
Well, he may get the chance to have two years straight of the same OC assuming both he and Canales are back. But the things that make him inconsistent, are things I don't think really tie into having different OC's. You don't become faster at reading defenses due to the OC (usually - though being under a poor coach and then a great one could help in this area). His tendency to panic in collapsing pockets isn't something that goes away either, and even the best o-lines will give up pressures from time to time. This is another area the Trask was great at, by the way. He would stand in the pocket and keep his eyes downfield to throw even though he knew he would get hit, and do that consistently. Baker will do that from time to time, but he usually gets jittery out there.
I have a feeling we'll find out. If we're in this same boat at the end of next season, though, think about how much time will have been wasted chasing a guy's top end play that only shows up 2-4 times a year.
I just hope that we just get the opportunity to see for ourselves. It really sux that Canales might leave for Carolina. Thats just horrible to think about. If he has to switch OC's again, that SET UP TO FAIL 101. Former First Overall QB with more OC's under his belt than seasons, set up to fail 101... Lets see, how JL handles this. Best case scenario- everyone comes back happy. Bowles apologizes- Mea Culpa to the FANS on TV- for the TO situation and the lack of defensive adjustment. Everyone vows to stick together and grow...and what if...they du? At this point I'd be happy with just one more PLAY with Baller as OUR QB and Canales as our OC or....even HC. If he comes out next year and pulls a Winston- Pick 6 on his first pass (Winston was on his first ever career pass attempt-Brett Farveish- but it was against the Tennessee Titan Ready- and Mariota, it felt sharp) then Ill Bow, but I just want that 1 chance. If its a completion, give him/me another shot...just the next play. Is it wrong to have that mindset, the mindset that would have called the TO? I dont think so man, but that just how I feel and see things through my own 2 lenses, thats really all. I like your thoughts.
Not taking the time out is all on Bowles. Lousy time management and a total give up attitude. I don't like that at all. We'll see how things go.
Not taking the time out is all on Bowles. Lousy time management and a total give up attitude. I don't like that at all. We'll see how things go.
Yeah man, he needs to soul search for a few days and then, in my humble* opinion, he owes the fan base, ME-YOU-The Writers on THIS Site…all of Bucs Nation an apology. I can forgive oversight, even one like that…but “knowingly” that ones harder to forgive if at all…
Well, he may get the chance to have two years straight of the same OC assuming both he and Canales are back. But the things that make him inconsistent, are things I don't think really tie into having different OC's. You don't become faster at reading defenses due to the OC (usually - though being under a poor coach and then a great one could help in this area). His tendency to panic in collapsing pockets isn't something that goes away either, and even the best o-lines will give up pressures from time to time. This is another area the Trask was great at, by the way. He would stand in the pocket and keep his eyes downfield to throw even though he knew he would get hit, and do that consistently. Baker will do that from time to time, but he usually gets jittery out there.
I have a feeling we'll find out. If we're in this same boat at the end of next season, though, think about how much time will have been wasted chasing a guy's top end play that only shows up 2-4 times a year.
Yeah,,, get rid of him and start over with a rookie
....or a broken Cousins who is 35.... or Wilson... who was washed up 3 yrs ago
Maybe Tannehill...?
Brilliant~!
Forget the fact the players, coaches and FO support him and think you're full of crap
We’ll see if our next head coach believes he’s a good fit. I like the idea of franchising him and let him earn that big money
Bucs still have Trask under contract but I would like to see Mayfield and Wolford come back. Mayfield and Wolford have playoff experience and then Trask who has been with the organization for a long time. Overall the QB room is the least of the worries it seems to me and now more so who will be the OC?
Well, he may get the chance to have two years straight of the same OC assuming both he and Canales are back. But the things that make him inconsistent, are things I don't think really tie into having different OC's. You don't become faster at reading defenses due to the OC (usually - though being under a poor coach and then a great one could help in this area). His tendency to panic in collapsing pockets isn't something that goes away either, and even the best o-lines will give up pressures from time to time. This is another area the Trask was great at, by the way. He would stand in the pocket and keep his eyes downfield to throw even though he knew he would get hit, and do that consistently. Baker will do that from time to time, but he usually gets jittery out there.
I have a feeling we'll find out. If we're in this same boat at the end of next season, though, think about how much time will have been wasted chasing a guy's top end play that only shows up 2-4 times a year.
Uhm, Im not sure. But I feel that maybe being in a set "offensive system/playbook" will speed him up simply by experience. Year one in a new system is always hard, it seems like Every season is a new Offensive scheme that he has to learn, or am I wrong? Just having a system down pat, knowing it like the back of your hand, makes decision making better and faster across the board. Now that Canales is HC in C, IMHO, keeping the "playbook" the same, and carrying that over is the next priority, I would elevate the new OC from within and have them run and tweak Canales system with Ballers input, WR-RB-TE, OL, everyones input on what they like to do, what they du well, and general "fit." Woulda been GREAT to keep Canales. I hate that he's in the same division, because he's a genuinely likable , Its gonna be hard for me to want him to fail HARD twice each season. This is totally wrong, but I hope, somehow someway, he finds himself back in TB. Good luck to you Canales, you have more cojones than canales, you would have called that TO.
Yeah,,, get rid of him and start over with a rookie
....or a broken Cousins who is 35.... or Wilson... who was washed up 3 yrs ago
Maybe Tannehill...?
Brilliant~!
Forget the fact the players, coaches and FO support him and think you're full of crap
Whenever I hear this kind of crap (which I have over and over again) I'll keep saying: Brady, Purdy.
You don't know what you have until you let them play. I don't care who it is, but at the end of the day, I want a long term (think 10 years) franchise QB who puts up 5-7, or more, elite games a year and only has 3-5 stinkers. I don't like settling for average QB play just because we managed to win 1 more game than lost and got to win a playoff game. That's a loser, settling for any wins you can get, type of mentality. It's the Todd Bowles mentality.
Yeah,,, get rid of him and start over with a rookie
....or a broken Cousins who is 35.... or Wilson... who was washed up 3 yrs ago
Maybe Tannehill...?
Brilliant~!
Forget the fact the players, coaches and FO support him and think you're full of crap
Whenever I hear this kind of crap (which I have over and over again) I'll keep saying: Brady, Purdy.
You don't know what you have until you let them play. I don't care who it is, but at the end of the day, I want a long term (think 10 years) franchise QB who puts up 5-7, or more, elite games a year and only has 3-5 stinkers. I don't like settling for average QB play just because we managed to win 1 more game than lost and got to win a playoff game. That's a loser, settling for any wins you can get, type of mentality. It's the Todd Bowles mentality.
Holy double posts, Batman!!!
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Yeah,,, get rid of him and start over with a rookie
....or a broken Cousins who is 35.... or Wilson... who was washed up 3 yrs ago
Maybe Tannehill...?
Brilliant~!
Forget the fact the players, coaches and FO support him and think you're full of crap
Whenever I hear this kind of crap (which I have over and over again) I'll keep saying: Brady, Purdy.
You don't know what you have until you let them play. I don't care who it is, but at the end of the day, I want a long term (think 10 years) franchise QB who puts up 5-7, or more, elite games a year and only has 3-5 stinkers. I don't like settling for average QB play just because we managed to win 1 more game than lost and got to win a playoff game. That's a loser, settling for any wins you can get, type of mentality. It's the Todd Bowles mentality.
Brady is the ULTIMATE, dont know what ya'got until you'let'em PLAY and really let them play, 1 game 2 games, preseason, practice...all great, all fine for gathering data for analysis....BUT NOTHING is like the real thing, being in the Grind day in and DAY OUT in Big time and stressFULL games when U CARRY IT...its like blacksmithing perhaps, you hammer the metal over and over again, into and out of the FIRE over and over again which both purifies and strengthens. Luckily once youve passed through the fire and been hammered a few times...well then-it gets easier and easier to Grind-and then...If U can learn to LOVE the Struggle and LOVE the taste of crow(CORRECTive criticism) then Watch TF OUT. I truly Hope that Trask gets HIS CHANCE to SHINE one day. Either with the BUCS or elsewhere, as for Me...personally, I really REALLY Loved what I saw from Baller in the last 2 games, if he can be THAT GUY over the course of a season....uhm, yeah, Im not sure I would trade the Baller of the last 2 games for ANYONE right now. Just My opi(nion-hOPIum) 2c.
Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? You can't sign Baker or Evans before you hire the OC, because he should be able to have input for which players are going to be signed. But then the prospective OC is going to want to know what's the deal with Baker and Evans. Do you consult with Baker and Evans, guys who are not even on the team right now, about who the OC is going to be and whether you can work with them? Then those players have more leverage in contract talks. Licht has to tread carefully.
