set the franchise back from winning a Super Bowl?
Let’s say we sign Baker to a 3-year, $100M deal (50% guaranteed), with a Y1 cap hit of $22M.
Now, let’s say he goes back to being “Old Baker”, or just flat out plays like a Top-16-20 QB.
Even worse, he regresses further and plays like a bottom quarter QB.
With a contract like that, which would make him nearly impossible to trade. And, most likely a dead cap number (if we cut him) that would rival Brady’s.
Is that really that hard of a concept to grasp?
Or did happy hour already start?
set the franchise back from winning a Super Bowl?
Let’s say we sign Baker to a 3-year, $100M deal (50% guaranteed), with a Y1 cap hit of $22M.
Now, let’s say he goes back to being “Old Baker”, or just flat out plays like a Top-16-20 QB.
Even worse, he regresses further and plays like a bottom quarter QB.
With a contract like that, which would make him nearly impossible to trade. And, most likely a dead cap number (if we cut him) that would rival Brady’s.
Is that really that hard of a concept to grasp?
Or did happy hour already start?
not a hard concept to grasp at all but that wasn’t my question. My question was if you thought that kind of contract problem could hold us back from winning a Super Bowl?
My question was if you thought that kind of contract problem could hold us back from winning a Super Bowl?
You’re not being serious.
So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t go along with your weaker than usual attempt at trolling.
My question was if you thought that kind of contract problem could hold us back from winning a Super Bowl?
You’re not being serious.
So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t go along with your weaker than usual attempt at trolling.
I am being serious. In fact I just asked you the same basic question on another thread. The question is basically do you agree with Buggsy that winning percentage is the measure of success, not getting into the post season?
I don’t agree with that at all AND IN FACT don’t think Buggsy even believes that (he’s just trolling). So what do you think? Were the Saints as successful as the Bucs this season? Same winning percentage.
If it’s not obvious enough because you mentioned it yourself THIS SEASON we were obviously SET BACK by the Brady contract. Worth it, but it’s a fact and the result was not that great of a WINNING PERCENTAGE but really great post season performance compared to the expectation
so was this season a set back or a success?
I am being serious.
If you actually are (doubt it, as you're a trolling sack of shit), but what kind of question is that?
Of course it would set us back. How can you possibly think it wouldn't?
I know what you're doing here, and you're going to use this year as an argument against it. And, naturally, you'd use the anomaly of a $4M QB having a career year as a norm, and not the outlier that it was.
And, I'l state for the upmteenth time, that one of my biggest desires is for Licht/Greenberg to go away from the backloaded deals which include numerous void years. It's literally like we're competing with the Saints to have the shittiest contracts in the division and continuing to do so (kick the can down the road) while selling the "we're still in a SB window" when in fact we're not.
I understand why he did it for the Brady years. We had an actual window.
We are not currently in that category.
Time to shift back to the way we used to do deals.
An observation. You guys are arguing yet grossly agree that Baller can and mIght be the guy that gives us something to savor Sundays for text several years. You grossly agree that Trask is an unknown of generally untested potential…at least let the guy compete with Ballerz in the offseason. Make Ballerz Earn the starting gig year in year out. THEN they can grow each other and regardless of who’s out their Trask or Baller, they will do their utmost for the org and fans. Based on some simply breathtaking Crow Eagle that Ballerz serves me when I watched that first playoff game. I watched him closely, and I don’t mean as a QB, I mean I watched him as a man fighting for his family. In that Regard A+, but I thought it was a fluke….it couldn’t possibly be that I misread this guy, I fed into the “narrative” luckily I have my own two sets of eyes, I know what real ones look like, and two big’ol’ balls to follow through changing my perception/paradigm of thinking regarding Ballerz. So I waited, he couldn’t possibly repeat that “Fire” vs the Lions….no way, the Cinderella team this year. My own two eyes say that out of all the players on the field, if anyone sacrificed more than Ballerz for his team, point him out to me….i may have overlooked him. We need Ballerz to Lead the Buccaneers ship, then “quarterback’it”
my 2c. Guy has the right “sauce” or something. A natural gambler. Maverick was ALWAYS COOLER THAN THE ICE*man….
An observation. You guys are arguing yet grossly agree that Baller can and mIght be the guy that gives us something to savor Sundays for text several years. You grossly agree that Trask is an unknown of generally untested potential…at least let the guy compete with Ballerz in the offseason. Make Ballerz Earn the starting gig year in year out. THEN they can grow each other and regardless of who’s out their Trask or Baller, they will do their utmost for the org and fans. Based on some simply breathtaking Crow Eagle that Ballerz tee’d me up when I watched that first playoff game. It was delicious btw. I watched him closely, and I don’t mean as a QB, I mean I watched him as a man fighting for his family. In that Regard A+, but I thought it was a fluke….it couldn’t possibly be that I misread this guy, I fed into the “narrative” luckily I have my own two sets of eyes, I know what real ones look like, and two big’ol’ balls to follow through changing my perception/paradigm of thinking regarding Ballerz. So I waited, he couldn’t possibly repeat that “Fire” vs the Lions….no way, the Cinderella team this year. My own two eyes say that out of all the players on the field, if anyone sacrificed more than Ballerz for his team, point him out to me….i may have overlooked him. We need Ballerz to Lead the Buccaneers ship, then “quarterback’it”
my 2c. Guy has the right “sauce” or something. A natural gambler. Maverick was ALWAYS COOLER THAN THE ICE*man….
what kind of question is that?
Of course it would set us back. How can you possibly think it wouldn't?
I explained the question above and it was a serious question because we were SET BACK this year big time. That’s one reason the SUCCESS this year was pretty awesome, but DO YOU THINK THIS YEAR WAS SUCCESSFUL?
Winning percentage was same as the Saints but I think everyone would agree we had a better season?
You guys are arguing yet grossly agree
This is one of the points I am trying to make, actually.
much of the bickering that goes on here is between posters who mostly agree on the fundamentals. This is WHY someone like Biggs (for DH!) has to post something like “Badabing equates success with joy” or whatever absurd thing that was to maintain a “fight”
Both DH and Badabing probably agree that Bucs were right to not give Winston a big contract proven by the fact that he didn’t amount to much after (Badabins point) but that became an argument about Winston starting after he left the Bucs …
almost everyone here is concerned about Mayfield being over paid and being inconsistent
etc
etc
far more that everyone agrees on than disagrees
explained the question above and it was a serious question because we were SET BACK this year big time. That’s one reason the SUCCESS this year was pretty awesome, but DO YOU THINK THIS YEAR WAS SUCCESSFUL?
How many times do I have to say it was? Seriously, I’ve said it twice today in this thread alone.
Now, do you understand why a big Baker contract (or any contract that LICHT might offer) could be a bigger setback than we had this year?
explained the question above and it was a serious question because we were SET BACK this year big time. That’s one reason the SUCCESS this year was pretty awesome, but DO YOU THINK THIS YEAR WAS SUCCESSFUL?
How many times do I have to say it was? Seriously, I’ve said it twice today in this thread alone.
Now, do you understand why a big Baker contract (or any contract that LICHT might offer) could be a bigger setback than we had this year?
For sure. And I share your concern about Mayfield’s contract. I think everyone has that same concern.
on the successful part you and Biggs are pretty lockstep so that’s why I ask because in his world we were no more successful than the Saints
You guys are arguing yet grossly agree
This is one of the points I am trying to make, actually.
much of the bickering that goes on here is between posters who mostly agree on the fundamentals. This is WHY someone like Biggs (for DH!) has to post something like “Badabing equates success with joy” or whatever absurd thing that was to maintain a “fight”
Both DH and Badabing probably agree that Bucs were right to not give Winston a big contract proven by the fact that he didn’t amount to much after (Badabins point) but that became an argument about Winston starting after he left the Bucs …
almost everyone here is concerned about Mayfield being over paid and being inconsistent
etc
etc
far more that everyone agrees on than disagrees
I know but its like splitting hairs. I think a lot of people like quibbling over details, its one of my main points "engaging in hypothetical conjecture," just try not to let it get ugly and NEVER below the belt. Vefore something like that happens, just agree to disagree and walk away. Otherwise, in the meantime I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts daily. I decided to extend my staycation on account of developing COVID, hahah woe is me. Its actually a strong Covid that is on me, not nearly like the first time. I thought I was gonna for realz die that time and I know a think or 2 about medicine-it was my day job until recently. This one is closeish, at least I can breathe and my temp isn't like 104 or anything. Anywho, enough rambling. I savor the back and forth between you all. I take something away from every single post, and rethink my position continuously, I especially enjoy the posts that give me things to consider that I hadn't already considered...surprises. Luckily a few here have been surprising me on the regular and challenging my conjecture. Thanks, that provides me with entertainment and enjoyment while I chill and whether this pesky Corona virus. In fact Ill have a Corona RIGHT fkn now simply because I love irony. Sure ittl give me some useful calories via carbs, the diuretic effect while sick is just not worth it. But Im a Pirate, Corona and chase with Rum, I got captain morgan handy. Then to make alfredo pasta from scratch, even the noodles, yeah I cook like that, for my daughter who had all 4 of her wisdom teeth removed and is just miserable. Ill check in from time to time to get enlightened by yall. You know who you are, If Ive responded to you, I respect you (except for 1), otherwise, share with me sumthing new, a new idea or something...even something crazy to ponder is enough. Thanks in advance. Your neighborly crazy person. Tootaloo bishes. Surprise me(End of Ratatouille level anticipation 😊 )
You guys are arguing yet grossly agree
This is one of the points I am trying to make, actually.
much of the bickering that goes on here is between posters who mostly agree on the fundamentals. This is WHY someone like Biggs (for DH!) has to post something like “Badabing equates success with joy” or whatever absurd thing that was to maintain a “fight”
Both DH and Badabing probably agree that Bucs were right to not give Winston a big contract proven by the fact that he didn’t amount to much after (Badabins point) but that became an argument about Winston starting after he left the Bucs …
almost everyone here is concerned about Mayfield being over paid and being inconsistent
etc
etc
far more that everyone agrees on than disagrees
yeah exactly. it seems some get their joy from nitpicking accurate viewpoints on message board, so far that they would go completely to the opposite end of the spectrum and most would think were insane if it was in a room full of people - they likely aren't as vocal!
Example 1: Using a winning % as defining most successful season as opposed to playoff success. When asked who had a more successful season in 2007 - the undefeated Patriots or the 10-6 Super bowl Champion Giants; sure some knuckleheads' will pick the Patriots, but 9.5/10 would choose the Champions.
so what about the Philadelphia Eagles versus the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this year. One team had a much better record but the other team went further in the playoffs. Not saying who is the better team but which team had greater success this year?
so now take it further to this hypothetical that a Bucs team team that went 10-6 versus the 9-8 Buccaneers. The one Buccaneer team had more wins but failed to make the playoffs while the other won a playoff game. Again, 9.5/10 would choose playoff success. Again, argue that 2010 Bucs over 2023 Bucs in a room full of people in person. They may get the straight jacket out for you.
Example 2: Saying Winston hasn't started since he left Tampa and a poster saying that's not true. I then suggest, you are right i forgot about that season he started 7 games and got hurt. He then says, the following year as well - a season he started 3 games and got benched. So the poster is ignoring the fact that Winston started 10 games out of a possible 66 games and the directional view of the original post that Winston was a starter in Tampa and nothing but a glorified back-up in his 4 years since. Rather than do what 9.5/10 football fans would see in that "yeah Winston really hasn't done shit since he left Tampa", the poster decides to nitpick a point and "fact check" - well actually he did start some games in New Orleans. It be one thing if the poster mentioned that but agreed yeah Winston hasn't done shit since he left, but the poster didn't as to be a "debatable Debby"
Example 3: Generally speaking, an argument is made that Baker Mayfield is not a top QB in the league but average. Most that support Baker, agree with that. Those that don't, want another Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady - mount Rushmore QBs to ever play the game. Rather than admit that is very hard to come by, they offer up suggestions that the back-up QB was wronged and really won the TC battle - when again 9.5/10 pundits/fans around the league knew Baker was starting in Tampa the minute he signed - yet a handful of posters here were holding out hope into the 4th quarter of the 3rd pre-season game. Wolford goes down and Baker doesn't see any playing time in a meaningless game - yet still i guarantee you, some were holding out hope. These fans felt duped by authorities at one buc place as this "QB battle" was nothing but a lie. How could the authorities lie they quibble and then they soon realized "what other authorities have been lying to me this whole time" and thus they concentrate that betrayal in a silly argument of the Baker Mayfield debate. They also offer up no realistic options this off-season as to a Baker replacement
Using a winning % as defining most successful season as opposed to playoff success.
Transparent troll. Called it as soon as it started
