Britt who was an average starter plays way below averag
lol. Wut??
earlier you try to favorably compare the 2024 defense to 2020. Britt was a back up who only got 1/2 of the starter role and then lost even that.
compare that to White playing out of his mind. White was a #5 pick. Britt was what?
@alldaway exactly. I think you took that from what I’ve said for the last 3 years.
@alldaway exactly. I think you took that from what I’ve said for the last 3 years.
A good bit of the Bowles angst expressed on this board has been related to in-game decisions
As compared to the defenses inability to get off the field? I would think that was the greatest source of angst but could be wrong
So just curious if Bowles was the source of the teams struggles last year, not the depleted talent on defense, then how does one explain the OBVIOUS disconnect between the way the Red Board sees Bowles and the way the FO sees Bowles?
the FO openly attributes last years defensive struggles to injury and lack of talent, even going so far as to say Bowles did a REMARKABLE JOB WITH WHAT HE HAD.
the FO prioritized Bowles over Coen
Licht is a great GM but a horrible judge of coaching talent?
Anyone?
I’d agree that it was less about scheme and more about lack of talent necessary for the scheme. We know why, so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.So just curious if Bowles was the source of the teams struggles last year, not the depleted talent on defense, then how does one explain the OBVIOUS disconnect between the way the Red Board sees Bowles and the way the FO sees Bowles?
the FO openly attributes last years defensive struggles to injury and lack of talent, even going so far as to say Bowles did a REMARKABLE JOB WITH WHAT HE HAD.
the FO prioritized Bowles over Coen
Licht is a great GM but a horrible judge of coaching talent?
Anyone?
After the hiring of Beistline, I’ve come to believe the FO may also be on the same wavelength as the fans - specifically demonstrated clock/TO management problems.
With the addition of Hassan Reddick, and the inclination that the Bucs will target defense heavily in this draft (and maybe an additional 2nd wave FA DB signing), we’ll test the theory that the scheme is viable.
This off-season talent acquisition should give us a chance to upgrade the defense significantly, and at the very least, allow the defense to become NFL average. It could be even better.
I don’t think Coen was a bad coach, but he turned out to be the same guy he was at Kentucky, a demonstrated lack of character (although, it would be hard to turn down a NFL HC gig -even with the Jags. I don’t know if the Bucs plans included making him a HC when Bowles retired, but also don’t believe that would be a wise negotiating tactic).
I do think Licht trusts Bowles, and therefore will give him what he needs this season. Remains to be seen if Grizzard is on the same level as Canales and Coen. Hope so, offensive players seem enthusiastic.
A good bit of the Bowles angst expressed on this board has been related to in-game decisions which we've discussed ad nauseum
More like the majority of it.
I believe Licht and the front office trust Bowles, but they also recognize his weaknesses and strive to help him address them. Instead of fixating on what the front office says, it's essential to pay attention to their actions. They've brought in coaching support at both the team and defensive levels.
Throughout Bowles' career as a defensive coordinator and head coach, he has consistently demonstrated an ability to maximize results with limited resources. However, this doesn't always translate into success; it can sometimes serve as an excuse for shortcomings, as he can claim he did his best with what he had. Bowles' strongest asset lies in his blitz schemes, which are well-known throughout the NFL. He excels at stopping the run and applying pressure through blitzing. Analysts like Simms and Harrison have noted this trend. By sending 5 to 7 players to the line, he forces offenses to release the ball quickly. However, teams are becoming increasingly adept at countering this strategy with quick grass route passes, screens, and exploiting soft zones over the middle.
The challenges stem from a combination of scheme and lesser talent. If we acquire a player like EZ or Barron, I hope Bowles doesn’t squander their potential by stubbornly continuing to blitz nearly 50% of the time. Let the players win and lose plays… not the scheme.
I do think Licht trusts Bowles, and therefore will give him what he needs this season
It seems that way.
So, I am only pointing out what I see as an oddity and that is the tendency to make one person always the problem (Bowles, Baker, etc) and the way that leads to this kind of over the top, INCONSISTENT bad for all things approach when nothing is like that in reality. For example Bowles was the HC of a successful run heavy offense last year but no credit for that. That was all Coen. But the year before, with the rung game struggling, there was plenty of BLAME. Bowles was "forcing Canales to run as much as he did." lol
I recognize the weakness though in the rhetorical point I am making (why does the FO seem to think the opposite of the RB) because it does not necessarily follow that "Licht trust Bowles" equals Bowles is a good/great coach. That does not necessarily follow because it is entirely possible that Bowles is, for example, an average coach who happens to be a "good or great" coach FOR THE BUCS FO at this moment in time (e.g., he is willing to exist in their plan where another HC might not, he's a good leader of the young guys the team can attract now (with dead cap) etc etc.)
A good bit of the Bowles angst expressed on this board has been related to in-game decisions which we've discussed ad nauseum
More like the majority of it.
This depends on what one means by "in game decisions." Stuff like clock management and go for it on 4th is just not that common to be "a good bit."
Defensive play call as the other team is marching down the field? Obviously a big one yes. B
UT that just leads to a cart/horse question on whether the defensive play calling is, for example, heavy zone because of the talent available or because Bowles is like Tony Dungy.
Bowles has made the "talent available" claim directly and over two seasons and we played heavy man in the playoff against one of the best WRs in the game
it's essential to pay attention to their actions.
Their immediate offseason moves were to bring in the BEST available edge rusher (even with some question about his character) and let go of the corresponding starter.
And then to basically dump much of the 2024 playing defensive backfield INCLUDING almost every LB that played the platoon role next to LVD . . even though the ONLY alternative was a 30 yr old Miami LB.
The draft will tell us more but IF one is following their actions, as you suggest, so far at least they match their words that Bowles did well with what he had.
They've brought in coaching support at both the team and defensive levels.
In terms of "coaching support at both the team and defensive levels" definitely true BUT they also let Coen go to KEEP BOWLES. The entire Red Board (myself included) probably choose Coen over Bowles and yet the Bucs stuck with Bowles.
In terms of "coaching support at both the team and defensive levels" definitely true BUT they also let Coen go to KEEP BOWLES. The entire Red Board (myself included) probably choose Coen over Bowles and yet the Bucs stuck with Bowles.
You can count me in for this. Coen’s scheme is what made our offensive line go from a mid-level line to a top 5. The NFL is so much scheme driven. We will see what happens now that he is gone. I’m at least happy that we kept so many offensive coaches to keep consistency from last year.
This depends on what one means by "in game decisions." Stuff like clock management and go for it on 4th is just not that common to be "a good bit."
Lol. Ok.
It’s been a common thing for him his entire tenure here as a HC.
That’s not even touching on his coaching malpractice that saw 3 of our best players missing extended time. And, potentially doing the same to his starting QB.
yes that was the overwhelming consensus on the Red Board: Coen OVER Bowles.
In terms of words and actions, I know these are just words but this is what Bowles says now about his defensive talent at CB:
"During last week’s league meetings, Bowles said it is “crystal clear” that the team needs more depth in their cornerback group and he indicated that any addition to the group will have a path to playing right away. The Bucs have Zyon McCollum, Jamel Dean, and Tykee Smith back from last year, but Bowles said that no one’s role is set in stone as they head into the offseason program.
“Like I said, everybody’s position is up for grabs,” Bowles said, via a transcript from the team. “I think Zyon is probably 1A, 1B because Zyon stayed healthier during the year. Dean has to get healthy. He comes in and he plays – he can’t play half a year, every couple of years. He understands he has to stay healthy and he’s doing everything he can to be healthy, but we have to have some depth there just in case. If somebody comes in and competes with him, he’s going to have to compete.”
Britt who was an average starter plays way below averag
lol. Wut??
earlier you try to favorably compare the 2024 defense to 2020. Britt was a back up who only got 1/2 of the starter role and then lost even that.
compare that to White playing out of his mind. White was a #5 pick. Britt was what?
White did have a good season in 2020 no doubt but the secondary really struggled during the 2020 season. They did come up clutch in the playoffs but was that more of what JPP and Shaq were able to do up front with Vea and Suh?
Truthfully Britt was an average starter in 2023 season which is why he and JJ Russell were able to put White on the bench as White was no longer playing at a competent average level.
When it comes to defense you do not need super stars or elite players to have a competent defense. Bucs have "stars" on defense with Winfield Jr, Vea and LVD but at the end of the day you need the secondary role players to be competent too.
