Every comparison has its limitation (eg injuries), but Bowles defensive play calling mostly beat Shanahan's offense yesterday. A point Romo kept making on the TV, but also PREVIEWED oin an article by Josh Q:
"The 49ers prefer to be in heavier packages on first down, using an extra tight end or a fullback on over 75% of their early downs. This will force the Bucs to utilize their base defensive personnel more than they have in other games. What will be interesting is what type of base defense Todd Bowles decides to implement as we have seen three versions this season."
Josh Q is mostly saying that Bowles has three ways to play, but he should go back to the week 1 formula particularly to shut down QUICK & SHORT THROWING JONES and to hold CMC in check:
"My hope is that Bowles goes back to the Week 1 changeup in this matchup."
And HILARIOUSLY its a front that includes one of the biggest complaints about Bowles:
The most common base formation the Bucs use is a 3-4 front that looks like a five-man surface with Yaya Diaby and Haason Reddick flanking Vita Vea, Logan Hall and Greg Gaines. But Bowles has experimented with two different types of 4-3 packages. In Week 1 he used a similar player grouping but used Hall as a heavy end and dropped Reddick to the second level as a stack-linebacker. This package was largely a success.
Reddick as a second level linebacker lmao. ("WhATs his cOvEraGe grade?")
Thats what Bowles did. Here's why Josh Q hoped for that. You can see it play out in the game:
"By using Reddick in an off-ball capacity the Bucs could use Dennis as an add-on rusher to create advantageous matchups for Vea and Diaby and limit his coverage responsibilities. In doing so, Bowles can limit Dennis’ exposure to Christian McCaffrey in man coverage, which is a clear matchup advantage for San Francisco."
CHECK - CMC had an average game for him.
"Jones is a quick-game/short-field merchant. Just 5.4% of his passes have stretched the field past 20 air yards. This gives the Bucs an opportunity to play with an extra man in the box, where strong safety Tykee Smith thrives. By getting Smith closer to the line of scrimmage, the Bucs can try and create rotations that make him responsible for Christian McCaffrey and give the best possible personnel matchup."
CHECK -- Smith played lights out
"Blitzing may not be the best way to rattle Jones. He is one of the most successful quarterbacks under pressure this year and because of his quick release."
"As Todd Bowles did last week on the play that led to Lavonte David’s interception, he may need to be judicious on when – and how – he sends extra rushers."
CHECK - 6 sacks with limited blitzing
Lots of limitations in any comparison (eg injuries etc), but against the Rams Jones was 33/49 for 342 yards, two TDs and 0 INTS and 1 sack for a rating of 100.89.
Against the Bucs Jones was 27/39 for 347 (so similar because of 2-3 big plays), but ) TDs and 2 INTS and 6 sacks for a rating of 75.48
Bowles gets so much shit from so many on here. Like he’s just not “their brand” of coach.
He’s done an amazing job of letting our leaders lead, making adjustments, and masking our deficiencies.
Tough task going to Detroit after they were flat out embarrassed by a weakened Chiefs team. Always fun playing with house money. And regardless of what happens with Branch, or how many injuries they have, understand this. We have more injuries than they do. Don’t let the media forces feed you old cheese.
It was said the Lions are doing better without Carlton Davis but they seem to be having problems on the backend and probably would like to have him back. Lions secondary isn't looking so hot right now and the Bucs passing game is still rolling. So the Bucs have a chance.
It was said the Lions are doing better without Carlton Davis but they seem to be having problems on the backend and probably would like to have him back. Lions secondary isn't looking so hot right now and the Bucs passing game is still rolling. So the Bucs have a chance.
that is going to be a tough one.
Agree 100%.It was said the Lions are doing better without Carlton Davis but they seem to be having problems on the backend and probably would like to have him back. Lions secondary isn't looking so hot right now and the Bucs passing game is still rolling. So the Bucs have a chance.
that is going to be a tough one.
Not much help available - no Egbuka, no Mike, no CG, no JMac, and no Bucky - means all the pressure is on Baker.
Detroit is still a very good, very agressive team. On top of that, our poor play at secondary & ILB (either due to injury or just poor play) would be the exact targets for how Detroit attacks - outs even more pressure on Baker.
if we’re not getting some significant offensive help back from injury - might be time to see if Baker has a ankle/calf injury - and let Teddy B have a shot?
We don’t need this game and don’t want to see any injuries to Baker or anyone else right now.
Hold up... First of all Bowles did some things well which is what the EXPECTATION should be when you have a defensive head coach who has been here for 6+ seasons and has had the same cornerstone players the entire time (Winfield, LVD, Vea).
That's why Bowles is here. To make the defensive greater than the sum of its parts.
I think you are wildly overrating his performance yesterday. I'd have to go back and look but we got stops because of penalties. The bend don't break was both bending and breaking but when you're 2nd and 20 due to a hold or false starts, then yes I'd hope we can force a fg.
I give Bowles a B- because he still let Mac Jones throw form 350 yards without their 3 best WRs and Kittle. Their line is also banged up (thus the sacks and penalties).
But also awesome for Bowles to finally create sacks and turnovers. That's great.
But let's not overlook Mac Jones shredding the soft zone coverage and getting into our territory 8 times yesterday.
We are fortune to come out with a win but let's not act like giving up 420 yards, 17 first downs, and 20 points is some amazing feet.
Had the Niners not had 9 costly penalties for 65 yards then we probably are giving up TDs not FGs.
The eye ball test tell us far more than the stats.
And if you think I'm "trolling" I'll just stop you now. I'm happy that the defense made plays and I think Bowles dialed up so good, well timed, blitzes. He def is playing slightly better this year even though we are at best middle of the pack.
But the OFFENSE (with way more injuries) won this game.
Hold up... First of all Bowles did some things well which is what the EXPECTATION should be when you have a defensive head coach who has been here for 6+ seasons and has had the same cornerstone players the entire time (Winfield, LVD, Vea).
That's why Bowles is here. To make the defensive greater than the sum of its parts.
I think you are wildly overrating his performance yesterday. I'd have to go back and look but we got stops because of penalties. The bend don't break was both bending and breaking but when you're 2nd and 20 due to a hold or false starts, then yes I'd hope we can force a fg.
I give Bowles a B- because he still let Mac Jones throw form 350 yards without their 3 best WRs and Kittle. Their line is also banged up (thus the sacks and penalties).
But also awesome for Bowles to finally create sacks and turnovers. That's great.
But let's not overlook Mac Jones shredding the soft zone coverage and getting into our territory 8 times yesterday.
We are fortune to come out with a win but let's not act like giving up 420 yards, 17 first downs, and 20 points is some amazing feet.
Had the Niners not had 9 costly penalties for 65 yards then we probably are giving up TDs not FGs.
The eye ball test tell us far more than the stats.
And if you think I'm "trolling" I'll just stop you now. I'm happy that the defense made plays and I think Bowles dialed up so good, well timed, blitzes. He def is playing slightly better this year even though we are at best middle of the pack.
But the OFFENSE (with way more injuries) won this game.
The argument that Bowles is a bad coach is a casual one. Stats, feelings, sore box, emotions, please stop. W.......again
Hold up... First of all Bowles did some things well which is what the EXPECTATION should be when you have a defensive head coach who has been here for 6+ seasons and has had the same cornerstone players the entire time (Winfield, LVD, Vea).
That's why Bowles is here. To make the defensive greater than the sum of its parts.
I think you are wildly overrating his performance yesterday. I'd have to go back and look but we got stops because of penalties. The bend don't break was both bending and breaking but when you're 2nd and 20 due to a hold or false starts, then yes I'd hope we can force a fg.
I give Bowles a B- because he still let Mac Jones throw form 350 yards without their 3 best WRs and Kittle. Their line is also banged up (thus the sacks and penalties).
But also awesome for Bowles to finally create sacks and turnovers. That's great.
But let's not overlook Mac Jones shredding the soft zone coverage and getting into our territory 8 times yesterday.
We are fortune to come out with a win but let's not act like giving up 420 yards, 17 first downs, and 20 points is some amazing feet.
Had the Niners not had 9 costly penalties for 65 yards then we probably are giving up TDs not FGs.
The eye ball test tell us far more than the stats.
And if you think I'm "trolling" I'll just stop you now. I'm happy that the defense made plays and I think Bowles dialed up so good, well timed, blitzes. He def is playing slightly better this year even though we are at best middle of the pack.
But the OFFENSE (with way more injuries) won this game.
The argument that Bowles is a bad coach is a casual one. Stats, feelings, sore box, emotions, please stop. W.......again
Wow compelling work from the biggest homer on the board.
Cool story
That's why Bowles is here.
One reason Bowles is here is because Brady came back . . late lol
Another though was to get more from the defensive side of the ball than what was invested. That seems to have been a big part of Licht's thinking and probably why he got the kudos from Licht and the extension.
But yes, the defense should be the center piece of the team (given close to equal talent), but you said Licht has failed to deliver the rush ends and its pretty obvious that LVD is 35 and Dennis so far not very good, so which is it? We have the talent and Bowles is incompetent? We do not have the talent and Bowles is good (Licht's point)
:-)
But let's not overlook Mac Jones shredding the soft zone coverage and getting into our territory 8 times yesterday.
We are fortune to come out with a win but let's not act like giving up 420 yards, 17 first downs, and 20 points is some amazing feet.
Had the Niners not had 9 costly penalties for 65 yards then we probably are giving up TDs not FGs.
I dont think you're trolling . . . BUT I DO THINK its a little inconsistent. Inconsistent because you have posters in your group like Biggs saying the defense is responsible for a short field TD because it is "allowed" to create turnovers and get FGs . . but when that actually happens (turnovers and FGs) it becomes "in our territory 8 times" giving up "420 yards"
same group always about DEs coverage grades lmao . . but when Josh Q calls it the best plan for the 49ers and Bowles executes that plan successfully with Reddick off ball a bunch . .theres never any "okay I dont like it but it worked."
In other words, I dont think you are trolling BUT there are more Bowles trolls than there are reasonable critics. so any reasonableness sort of gets washed away, unfortunately.
And the 49ers game is a pretty easy example. Pre-game . . .. posts of making money on bets AGAINST the Bucs based on "Bowles incompetence." Not sure that worked out yesterday, but maybe. During game . . . . .its trolls about DEs in coverage . . as its working lmao
To BE VERY VERY CLEAR . . . its funny . . . part of football . . no big deal . . . JUST POINTING IT OUT.
The HALLMARK of the Bowles trolls here is theya re comically unreasonable . . all bad, all the time
Fire, this thread was created as a HUMOROUS look at how wide the gulf is between someone like SR and the Red Board Bowles Haters Club
https://www.pewterreport.com/community/the-red-board/oh-no-he-didnt/
Bowles is a good coach for the Bucs situation and he's doing a good job. I dont know about NFL Coach of the YEAR . . but
Last year Bowles blitzed TOO. much. This year when he wins with modest blitzing its "too many yards" when just a short while ago it "scoring was the only stat that matters."
:-)
And the 49ers game is a pretty easy example. Pre-game . . .. posts of making money on bets AGAINST the Bucs based on "Bowles incompetence." Not sure that worked out yesterday, but maybe. During game . . . . .its trolls about DEs in coverage . . as its working lmao
To BE VERY VERY CLEAR . . . its funny . . . part of football . . no big deal . . . JUST POINTING IT OUT.
You're right, Vin.
It's "no big deal".
Most people who would view it as "no big deal" would simply look and walk away and not give it a second thought.
A few posters may make a comment or two and move on.
Then there's you.
You have made 47 posts in the last 24 hours alone that mention the word troll (5 in this one alone).
You have mentioned/quoted/tagged @biggs3535 a whopping 18 times in the last 24 hours alone.
The posting of bets that are trolling according to you...over the last 27 regular season games, you've made 68 posts/comments about it.
So, why dedicate the majority of your time to it?
But let's not overlook Mac Jones shredding the soft zone coverage and getting into our territory 8 times yesterday.
We are fortune to come out with a win but let's not act like giving up 420 yards, 17 first downs, and 20 points is some amazing feet.
Had the Niners not had 9 costly penalties for 65 yards then we probably are giving up TDs not FGs.
I dont think you're trolling . . . BUT I DO THINK its a little inconsistent. Inconsistent because you have posters in your group like Biggs saying the defense is responsible for a short field TD because it is "allowed" to create turnovers and get FGs . . but when that actually happens (turnovers and FGs) it becomes "in our territory 8 times" giving up "420 yards"
same group always about DEs coverage grades lmao . . but when Josh Q calls it the best plan for the 49ers and Bowles executes that plan successfully with Reddick off ball a bunch . .theres never any "okay I dont like it but it worked."
In other words, I dont think you are trolling BUT there are more Bowles trolls than there are reasonable critics. so any reasonableness sort of gets washed away, unfortunately.
And the 49ers game is a pretty easy example. Pre-game . . .. posts of making money on bets AGAINST the Bucs based on "Bowles incompetence." Not sure that worked out yesterday, but maybe. During game . . . . .its trolls about DEs in coverage . . as its working lmao
To BE VERY VERY CLEAR . . . its funny . . . part of football . . no big deal . . . JUST POINTING IT OUT.
The HALLMARK of the Bowles trolls here is theya re comically unreasonable . . all bad, all the time
I posted my position(s) in another thread addressing much of this but there's too many threads so my brief search went for not...
But in short I've always said Bowles needed more to work with on the edge and at LB and that Licht (correctly) fixed the offense first...
In short many things can be true all at once.
I think Licht is an above average drafter that has some strengths and weaknesses.
I think Bowles hasn't had elite talent in awhile but he's has a smart HOF LB (in his twilight years, an all pro safety, and an elite DT. So he's has some pieces.
My main gripe with Bowles is he's all or nothing. He either plays soft zone or he zero blitzes.
The last two games he's switched it up which I actually appreciate but my gripe is the weeks he chose to do it. Darnold especially struggles with overload blitzes (see Vikings playoff game).
If Bowles can give us some eagles/Niners/falcons games then I think we are a legit contender. If he gives us that Seattle game then we will likely lose first round.
Up until this point, I don't think he makes our team greater than the sum of our parts.
That doesn't mean he hasn't flashed big moments or done nothing... I just want to see the defense be stout late and I don't want to watch Tampa 2.
And I will HAPPILY eat crow if Bowles continues to give us B-level performances.
And I will HAPPILY eat crow if Licht finds us a cornerstone edge rusher in the draft to compliment some of the other great picks he's made at other positions.
You have mentioned/quoted/tagged @biggs3535 a whopping 18 times in the last 24 hours alone
One more for posterity lmao . . . of course . . a troll about MacJones (lol) . . . over the word "strictly."
When you’re getting faced, the strawman is usually the predictable route to take.
DH, you are CHOOSING to put your FALSE logic on display, so here is the RESPONSE. According to you, this is "just about a bet" and NOT a troll:
Like all year last year, Todd hasn't disappointed with some EASY wins so far this season.
For the last 24+ games, I've bet against it HEAVILY and am up a ridiculous amount.
I mean, the sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then, right?
LMAO. Pennywise would be proud. "Todd hasnt disappointed" is . . just about a bet? Come on. In the wise words of your other half
If you don’t want to own it, so be it
And yet IF I RESPONDED by, for example, pointing out how poorly you did on some of those bets against "Todd" on Sunday. . . out would come DH string posting personal name calling nonsense lmao
SO THE QUESTION IS REALLY ONE FOR YOU AND BIGGS . . . why does it bother you when you are delivered a dose of your own medicine?
Enough that you created a post like the one I am RESPONDING TO NOW?
RESPONDING . . key point.
You put your false logic on display because you and Biggs cannot stop . . its why you are here. It is more than the MAJORITY of your time here. Like I said its FUNNY. Funny watchiung you troll the HC and then the game day thread. . .and then the Bucs win. The RESPONSES follow. Responses, so don't act like YOU are a victim.
Now, I will "move on" to the Bucs. The reason I am here. You guys will move on to TROLL. Wanna bet?
I may respond? Like, I might say how did your Sunday bets against "Todd" work out? Your logic -- thats just a question about a bet . . . I am not saying
you’ve been thoroughly clapped.
(not even sure what that means, "strictly" speaking)
