Our division sucks.
Dumb
You're right.
A division that doesn't produce a single .500 or better team is the cream of the crop.
It’s a bullshit take. You know this. The Panthers beat the Rams. The Bucs beat the Seahawks on the road and the Niners. The Falcons beat the Bills and the Rams. At some point you just realize the NFL is hard. There are no easy games or easy divisions. It’s the NFL. When the discussion devolves to “The NFC South Sucks” you lose me.
how is the NFC South not the weakest division?
the NFC East had least wins but Eagles pushed our shit in and that was when we were good
Falcons and Saints won games when season was lost; Bucs looked like a bottom 5 team halfway through the year.
Our division sucks.
Dumb
You're right.
A division that doesn't produce a single .500 or better team is the cream of the crop.
It’s a bullshit take. You know this. The Panthers beat the Rams. The Bucs beat the Seahawks on the road and the Niners. The Falcons beat the Bills and the Rams. At some point you just realize the NFL is hard. There are no easy games or easy divisions. It’s the NFL. When the discussion devolves to “The NFC South Sucks” you lose me.
It’s not a bullshit take. It’s a factual one.
Give me a list of all the other divisions that the NFCS is better than.
who is in the Super Bowl this year, at 5-1, that Buccaneer team could have certainly made it to Superbowl. It was there for the taking and we didnt even take the weakest division in football after a 6-2 start lol
So this is where we part ways for sure, but its a bedrock belief of yours, i think.
I get the statistics/probability point you're making, but thats why they are just statistics/probabilities. if you look at the early games some of them are just as easily losses.
I thought we split with our division rivals? if so that is more than norm than anything.
The "weakest division" thing is also a bit misleading because its a weaker NFC division playing the best NFC division, right? And even then, as you pointed out in another thread we beat the Seahawks. The Panthers and the Falcons beat the Rams. I think the division has 3 of 4 with winning records in the conference, so compare to the AFC North for example, every team BUT the Steelers with a losing record in the conference. or . . . heaven forbid we bring the Cowboys division into the equation lmao where every team but the Eagles was completely underwater in the conference. . . and yet the Eagles were .500 in divisional play??
No one says the NFC South is the strongest division lmao, but the weakest division thing is overplayed because its the NFL.
If Tykee Smith plays basic safety we beat the Pats. We almost beat the Bills . . games are close in the NFL, but the Bucs were not a Super Bowl team
how is the NFC South not the weakest division?
the NFC East had least wins but Eagles pushed our shit in and that was when we were good
so the Eagles make up for the three other teams?
I may have the math off but isnt the N FC East 17-29-1 in the conference? The NFC South is 23-25 and played the best NFC division
happened in that Rams game.
I should have added that its the Saints loss that really sets the team into a spiral. I say that because of a point that Arians just made about Mayfield. Arians seemed to attribute some of the spiral to Mayfield trying to hard to win it all on his own, like the early part if the season. If you subscribe to that belief (4th quarter INTS as an example) and you look at the way the Bucs lost some of the games down the stretch the Saints game stands out to me because it is where, in the past, they would have righted the ship.
Instead they go into the 4th quarter tied and I think the offense goes turnover on downs, FG and turnover on downs. In the past two season, the Bucs win that game. Hell, earlier in the year they win that game against better teams.
how is the NFC South not the weakest division?
the NFC East had least wins but Eagles pushed our shit in and that was when we were good
so the Eagles make up for the three other teams?
I may have the math off but isnt the N FC East 17-29-1 in the conference? The NFC South is 23-25 and played the best NFC division
I think those numbers are right.
Sort of hard to call the NFC South the worst division without saying that the Bucs were better than the Eagles? I dont think that BUT the Eagles were .500 in their division too, against teams with a combined 16 wins. The other NFC South teams had 24 wins
The "worst division" thing is sort of a thoughtless anti-Bowles "screed," something just accepted as fact by some when its really an opinion and its an opinion with facts that undercut it.
how is the NFC South not the weakest division?
For the first time since Todd Bowles took over as HC, the NFCSouth isn't the worst division in the conference - they are the second worst. Coincidentally enough, it's the first time Bowles didn't win the division.
NFCEast: 27-40-1
NFCSouth: 30-38
As the third worst division in the entire NFL, it's still a shitty division. Only a couple of Bowles' leghumpers would push back on that.
how is the NFC South not the weakest division?
the NFC East had least wins but Eagles pushed our shit in and that was when we were good
so the Eagles make up for the three other teams?
I may have the math off but isnt the N FC East 17-29-1 in the conference? The NFC South is 23-25 and played the best NFC division
Yes - Eagles beat the Chiefs, Rams, Bucs, Packers, Lions, Bills;
also let's look over a longer period - in 2024 - the Commanders and Eagles met in the Conference championship
in 2023, the Cowboys and Eagles both made playoffs; albeit the 9 win Bucs beat the floundering Eagles
NFC East is stronger than NFC South and it isn't even close
how is the NFC South not the weakest division?
the NFC East had least wins but Eagles pushed our shit in and that was when we were good
so the Eagles make up for the three other teams?
I may have the math off but isnt the N FC East 17-29-1 in the conference? The NFC South is 23-25 and played the best NFC division
I think those numbers are right.
Sort of hard to call the NFC South the worst division without saying that the Bucs were better than the Eagles? I dont think that BUT the Eagles were .500 in their division too, against teams with a combined 16 wins. The other NFC South teams had 24 wins
The "worst division" thing is sort of a thoughtless anti-Bowles "screed," something just accepted as fact by some when its really an opinion and its an opinion with facts that undercut it.
i believe most NFL pundits would call the NFC South the worst division in football as well. why is that?
how is the NFC South not the weakest division?
the NFC East had least wins but Eagles pushed our shit in and that was when we were good
so the Eagles make up for the three other teams?
I may have the math off but isnt the N FC East 17-29-1 in the conference? The NFC South is 23-25 and played the best NFC division
I think those numbers are right.
Sort of hard to call the NFC South the worst division without saying that the Bucs were better than the Eagles? I dont think that BUT the Eagles were .500 in their division too, against teams with a combined 16 wins. The other NFC South teams had 24 wins
The "worst division" thing is sort of a thoughtless anti-Bowles "screed," something just accepted as fact by some when its really an opinion and its an opinion with facts that undercut it.
i believe most NFL pundits would call the NFC South the worst division in football as well. why is that?
I am not sure that is actually true, but now we are moving from it is a "fact" (lol, I just saw DH posted that) to "well, that is what most people say?" I just gave two statistical reason why that claim is dubious at best.
Most here would view the Eagles as a good team that won its division, but its division was MORE crappy than the NFC South, based on its conference record so being only .500 against those division opponents is INFERIOR to the Bucs right? Those NFC East teams had that inferior record in the conference playing against the NFC North? A good conference but not as good as the NFC West (the conferenced the NFCS played against), I would think?
i believe most NFL pundits would call the NFC South the worst division in football as well. why is that?
Using a trick from Fire, this is what the AI pundit says
"Based on late-season analysis for the 2025 NFL season, the NFC East and AFC North were considered among the weakest divisions by combined records (27-40-1 and 29-39, respectively), with the NFC South also near the bottom, while preseason predictions favored the AFC North and NFC West as strongest, highlighting varying opinions before and during the season. "
NFC South is frequently cited as the weakest division in the NFL. It has consistently produced low win totals, with teams like the Carolina Panthers and New Orleans Saints struggling to compete against a relatively weak field.
- NFC South (2025 Context): The division finished with a 28-40 record and a
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−170
scoring margin, with only one team making the playoffs.
- Historical Low: The 2014 NFC South is considered one of the worst in NFL history with a 22-41-1 record (.352).
- Alternative Considerations: The AFC South and NFC East have also held the title of "worst" in recent years.
so point being, you are hard pressed to try and not call the NFC South weak and among the weakst in the league
Try this thought exercise: Google NFL division records since 2022
NFC South is dead last with a .419 winning percentage
the next worst division is the AFC South at a.438 winning percentage
Every other division has a record of .500 or better
you can try and debate but this is not a great argument.
In addition to the brutal regular season records, the NFC South has just 1 playoff win since 2022; the next worst division is a 3 way tie between 3 divisions at 4.
like i said, you can try and argue Semantics as it comes to 2025 season with NFC south having a few more wins than NFC East but the division has been historically bad under Bowles tenure and looking back on it, winning the division 3 year sin a row with 8, 9, and 10 wins is not impressive.
i was fooled with 2023 and 2024 seasons but seeing the regression in 2025, sometimes that wakes you up a bit.