Hope we lock this up before free agency.
havent seen any numbers yet but 3-60 range? Would love something like that.
Obviously re-signing Godwin pretty much makes the rest of free agency easier for the Bucs. That would leave ILB, left guard and outside edge rusher as the main "holes" on the roster.
That would leave ILB, left guard and outside edge rusher as the main "holes" on the roster.
You must be assuming the Bucs can keep Hayes, Funderbirk and Merriweather!!
I wouldn’t be so sure. Whole league after those guys
That would leave ILB, left guard and outside edge rusher as the main "holes" on the roster.
You must be assuming the Bucs can keep Hayes, Funderbirk and Merriweather!!
I wouldn’t be so sure. Whole league after those guys
If they played for a college in Florida then they are immediately elite.
The countdown to March 12th begins
Hope we lock this up before free agency.
havent seen any numbers yet but 3-60 range? Would love something like that.
Stupid 49ers gave Aiyuk $30M a year, Waddle is at $28M, Nico Collins $24M. Godwin shouldn't get less than them. Plus he has the Bucs by the balls because of the $18M void year if they don't keep him.
I believe where there's smoke there's fire here. The chances are very high that Godwin remains a Buc.
I'll go on record and say I think it's a mistake if we sign Godwin to anything more than a two-year deal. (Can you read that Donk?) That would be fewer years than he can get on the open market, so I expect the Bucs will sign him to three and that's a mistake IMO. It would have to be a real team friendly deal, and I don't think the deal will be that team friendly. It's a mistake to sign him, but I reserve the right to change my mind after I see the details of the deal. I expect it will be a three-year deal in the $60 mil range and that's too much and it will end up being a bad move for the Bucs.
1) As much as Godwin has meant to the Bucs, that's no guarantee of future performance. I just think there's an over 50% chance that his production will be reduced by injuries and age. I doubt he will get in another full season of football. I hope I'm wrong obviously.
2) The Bucs are a team that's supposed to run the ball, control the clock, and play some kind of defense - whatever kind of defense they are supposed to be playing it's hard to say because they couldn't play it last year. They aren't airing it out like they did with Arians and Leftwich, but they will be having two highly paid WRs which almost no team has other than maybe Cincinnati who does like to sling the ball.
3) Licht has to accept his shortcomings and that is that he can't get on the same page with Bowles and draft and develop edge rushers. If he's going to stick with Bowles, then he has to accept that reality and spend valuable cap space on that position.
I can see the Bucs are going to sign Godwin. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it works out, but I think it will be a bad decision for Licht and the Bucs.
Hope we lock this up before free agency.
havent seen any numbers yet but 3-60 range? Would love something like that.
Stupid 49ers gave Aiyuk $30M a year, Waddle is at $28M, Nico Collins $24M. Godwin shouldn't get less than them. Plus he has the Bucs by the balls because of the $18M void year if they don't keep him.
im thinking might be able to get away with 3 years, $70M. Godwin closing in on 30 and just had two major injuries. By extending the cap hit deadline, hes motivated to get a deal done, likes it here, and would think both sides come to an agreement. Just hoping its before the cap hit.
Baker Mayfield being a top 10 QB the last 2 years and a heck of an add by Licht certainly has changed the perspective that guys like Evans and Godwin would prefer to stay in Tampa rather than play with a perceived top 4 QB - Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow
That would leave ILB, left guard and outside edge rusher as the main "holes" on the roster.
You must be assuming the Bucs can keep Hayes, Funderbirk and Merriweather!!
I wouldn’t be so sure. Whole league after those guys
Hayes is a special teams ace, Funderburk was a promising rookie, and Merriweather was the best safety on the roster last season. All glue guys on the back end.
I believe where there's smoke there's fire here. The chances are very high that Godwin remains a Buc.
I'll go on record and say I think it's a mistake if we sign Godwin to anything more than a two-year deal. (Can you read that Donk?) That would be fewer years than he can get on the open market, so I expect the Bucs will sign him to three and that's a mistake IMO. It would have to be a real team friendly deal, and I don't think the deal will be that team friendly. It's a mistake to sign him, but I reserve the right to change my mind after I see the details of the deal. I expect it will be a three-year deal in the $60 mil range and that's too much and it will end up being a bad move for the Bucs.
1) As much as Godwin has meant to the Bucs, that's no guarantee of future performance. I just think there's an over 50% chance that his production will be reduced by injuries and age. I doubt he will get in another full season of football. I hope I'm wrong obviously.
2) The Bucs are a team that's supposed to run the ball, control the clock, and play some kind of defense - whatever kind of defense they are supposed to be playing it's hard to say because they couldn't play it last year. They aren't airing it out like they did with Arians and Leftwich, but they will be having two highly paid WRs which almost no team has other than maybe Cincinnati who does like to sling the ball.
3) Licht has to accept his shortcomings and that is that he can't get on the same page with Bowles and draft and develop edge rushers. If he's going to stick with Bowles, then he has to accept that reality and spend valuable cap space on that position.
I can see the Bucs are going to sign Godwin. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it works out, but I think it will be a bad decision for Licht and the Bucs.
I am with you on a two year deal with Godwin. They could structure it a as being two years with the third year being a void so essentially it is a 2 year deal. This is why I believe the Bucs will seriously look at drafting a WR higher than most think. First or second round? No way. But in the 3rd or 4th round? You better believe it.
I do not think it is a bad decision because teams will load up to stop the run and by having Godwin, Evans, McMIllan and 2025 rookie the will be made to pay for loading the box. Running game may control the clock but scoring TDs through the air is the best way for most NFL teams still.
Having dominant WRs on the outside and in the slot means the Bucs can do whatever they want with the running game which makes them a hard out for any team facing the Bucs O.
Unfortunately I think a two year deal leaves too much meat on the bone for Godwin. He'll take a bit of a hometown discount, but there's a limit to that.
If you look at Wirf's 5 year deal, the Bucs could theoretically get out of it with only $15 mil cap hit after two years. Of course that's ridiculous, but it goes to the Bucs ability to negotiate contracts that don't hamstring the team. There's plenty of room for later restructuring for cap relief with Wirfs.
But Godwin's agent has to realize the injury risk that goes along with the position and playing style of Godwin and will try to negotiate a contract that is really three years, not just two years and renegotiate. It's not really the number of years to look at, but how much of that third year is locked in. If the Bucs can get away with a non-guaranteed third year then it will truly be a testament to the Bucs negotiating, not just Greenberg's cap magic but Licht's ability to sell the contract to the player and his agent.
I think Godwin and his agent are motivated to work out a deal with the Bucs and so is the Bucs organization. Teams with a lot of cap space like the Patriots have to contend with other issues like state taxes, rebuilding, etc. Pats could throw money at Godwin if he hits the market but really they need a boundary WR in the worst way possible while Godwin is strictly a slot WR at this point in his career. Due to his injury history Godwin isn't ideal for being a WR on the boundary so that may influence Godwin's desire to return to the Bucs. Bucs organization values Godwin as a slot player and he has been the most productive there. Jags could throw money at him if he hits the market but at the end of the day I do not think the Bucs let it reach that point.
Keep in mind also that Godwin is 28 years old and turns 29 years old next week so he is still young and worth investing cap money towards as he is under 30. Whether it is a two or three year deal it is a worthwhile investment because you probably have Mike Evans for 2 more seasons.
They could structure it a as being two years with the third year being a void so essentially it is a 2 year deal. This is why I believe the Bucs will seriously look at drafting a WR higher than most think. First or second round? No way. But in the 3rd or 4th round? You better believe i
You mean to draft now so that the WR develops as Evans and Godwin are heading out? That seems possible
I'll go on record and say I think it's a mistake if we sign Godwin to anything more than a two-year deal. (Can you read that Donk?)
Yes, your usual shit take is crystal clear.
Thanks for asking for clarification.
I think Godwin and his agent are motivated to work out a deal with the Bucs and so is the Bucs organization.
Both sides are very motivated to get a deal done.
I think they land somewhere in the neighborhood of 3yr/$66M (with $45M guaranteed).
