The problem with trading Revis is now, all of a sudden, cornerback becomes a pressing need. Regardless of how Revis was used last season, the former Defensive Player of the Year was easily the Buccaneers best defensive back, and while even at less than 100 percent, still recovering from offseason ACL surgery, Revis was a dominant corner who shut down half of the field just by his presence. Revis helped the Buccaneers secondary move from the 32nd ranked pass defense in 2012 to the NFL’s 17th best unit last year. The next issue is where does his replacement come from? Now it means the Bucs No. 7 selection in the upcoming NFL Draft would most likely have to be a cornerback
Sorry, but this is horsepuckey.First, Corner is already a need. What is a better way to address that need -- paying 16 million and picks for one guy, or getting multiple picks and $16 million in cap space to get multiple corners? Obviously the latter. Fans here are enamored of the big name, but the reality is your pass defense is going to be picked on at the weakest point. Second, please stop with the "shutting down half the field" BS. THat expression comes from a different age of football. The 80s already got Radio Shack back, now they want that outdated expressionThird, trading Revis in NO WAY means we would spend a first on a CB. We might but there are many different ways to use the picks and space we get from trading him, so pretending that spending our 7th on a CB would become almost mandatory is just hyperbole
So it doesn't then become the most important need? Multiple corners? From where, free agency? Like the $8 million spent on Carr and Finnegan two years ago? There's your $16 million, those two together have about the same production as Revis. From the draft? Like Milliner, Rhodes, Trufant, Banks in the draft last year? Outdated expression? The one that multiple Bucs coaches and two scouts at the Senior Bowl coaches used in telling me Revis did just that last year? And maybe they don't use a first-rounder, but you can bet they certainly would draft one early. No?
But if you have Carr and Finnegan on the field at the same time quarterbacks pick on them equally. Instead of knowing ahead of time which corner the quarterback is probably looking at. That's better for a defense isn't it? Or having the other teams best receiver lined up against a pretty good cornerback for us. Most teams have 2 or 3 equally good receivers, so just being able to take one of them away from the offense usually isn't as valuable, right? I mean, it's more important to cover the other teams 2nd and 3rd options well then their 1st option. That makes sense to me.
But if you have Carr and Finnegan on the field at the same time quarterbacks pick on them equally. Instead of knowing ahead of time which corner the quarterback is probably looking at. That's better for a defense isn't it? Or having the other teams best receiver lined up against a pretty good cornerback for us. Most teams have 2 or 3 equally good receivers, so just being able to take one of them away from the offense usually isn't as valuable, right? I mean, it's more important to cover the other teams 2nd and 3rd options well then their 1st option. That makes sense to me.
I see what you are saying for sure. But to subtract Revis, without anyone else but LJ and Banks isn't a good idea. There are plenty of major needs this team needs and getting rid of Revis now means you will need to find a No. 1 corner. And Finnegan wasn't on the field much last season, and no one in Dallas or St. Louis is comparing either of those two to Revis. Also none of the listed free agent corners are better than Revis, and you still have to outspend other teams for their services. My thought is, you have a proven commodity in Revis. Actually more than a proven commodity. Someone who was very good last year, and should be even better in 2014. To me it is a big risk to get rid of him and try and replace him in free agency or the draft. I am not saying I am right. It is just my opinion. I am somewhat confused why some, not you TK, feel the need to be nasty or confrontational when disagreeing with an opinion. Ok, so you don't like my opinion, great, but do you really have to be a jerk about it?
No, I'm saying you are totally right and if you read my post as genuine you should have ripped it to little pieces while belittling me as a man. Many of these posters barely deserve to draw breath, let alone express an opinion on football matters in public. Fuck them. Can I be a moderator? ;D
You guys get your nuts untangled already, and realize either situation would be good.If you are a defensive guy, you probably won't be down with a revis trade. If you are an offensive minded fan, you may enjoy having a plethora of picks to move up or stay put and collect players.Let's not act like there is not a positive here.Imo, I like either outcome, but I understand how important the qb position is. If lovie feels like one of the top three qb is worth it (and in lovie's defense isn't "as needed"), and they can mold him into what they want, I'll respect that. If they feel like revis is a keeper, I'll respect that too.But going into this offseason, and especially after schiano's glorious departure, I had the feeling a "big" move would be made. Is this it? Idk.
Trading Darelle is only a positive outcome if you get a king's ransom in return. Just getting a pick in the low-mid 20's and something in the 80's would suck massive balls. Massive. It would be a complete and total failure. The only thing that could turn around such a travesty is if the team totally nailed those picks, which we probably wouldn't know for a while. So in the mean time I would be the whiniest little bitch you've ever been forced to be around.
But if you have Carr and Finnegan on the field at the same time quarterbacks pick on them equally. Instead of knowing ahead of time which corner the quarterback is probably looking at. That's better for a defense isn't it? Or having the other teams best receiver lined up against a pretty good cornerback for us. Most teams have 2 or 3 equally good receivers, so just being able to take one of them away from the offense usually isn't as valuable, right? I mean, it's more important to cover the other teams 2nd and 3rd options well then their 1st option. That makes sense to me.
I see what you are saying for sure. But to subtract Revis, without anyone else but LJ and Banks isn't a good idea. There are plenty of major needs this team needs and getting rid of Revis now means you will need to find a No. 1 corner. And Finnegan wasn't on the field much last season, and no one in Dallas or St. Louis is comparing either of those two to Revis. Also none of the listed free agent corners are better than Revis, and you still have to outspend other teams for their services. My thought is, you have a proven commodity in Revis. Actually more than a proven commodity. Someone who was very good last year, and should be even better in 2014. To me it is a big risk to get rid of him and try and replace him in free agency or the draft. I am not saying I am right. It is just my opinion. I am somewhat confused why some, not you TK, feel the need to be nasty or confrontational when disagreeing with an opinion. Ok, so you don't like my opinion, great, but do you really have to be a jerk about it?
If subtracting Revis meant that you could get 2-3 picks in this years draft, one of which being a first rounder, then it is worth the "risk" of going and getting 2-3 CBs for much less than the cost and also have the ability to use an extra high quality pick or two addressing other positions. Does any team actually need a supposed top 3 CB? I certainly think if we could grab multiple picks, it would be worth looking for two other viable options at CB, one of which will be needed anyway. You mention Finnegan and Carr. Well, last year with Brent Grimes proved that you can get a good CB for around $5mil. It looks like there will be several similar options out there this FA period with Sam Shields, Tillman, Tarell Brown, Vontae Davis, Rodgers-Cromartie, etc. I highly doubt any of those CBs will command $8mil per year. None of them are Revis, of course, but if you substitute Grimes for Revis last year..how much of a difference would that have made overall? As far as Finnegan goes, since he has signed he has pretty much been the second best CB with Jenkins virtually outplaying him both years. Carr has been good for Dallas. Probably not ever going to be a top 5 CB, but he is versatile, solid and can be counted game by game.There is risk in getting rid of Revis, but that risk is up for interpretation as to how much risk there actually is. If you are wanting to replace Revis with a top 3 CB...then of course the supposed risk is incredibly high. If you are wanting to do so with a few CBs who could play at a "good" level, then the risk goes down. If it were up to me, I would definitely want at least a 1st and a 3rd in this years draft and possibly a later pick such as a 5th or 6th. I would attempt to sign a CB such as one of the names I mentioned earlier before the draft. I would then use one of the 3rd rounders on a CB like Pierre Desir or E.J. Gaines. This would leave us with not as much name recognition at the CB position, but with plenty of potential and talent to get the job done. we would also have two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd to attempt to get 4 immediate contributors for this team in '14. A quick look at a team like the Titans shows me that with good talent scouting, that you can find two high quality CBs with little cost(McCourty and Verner).
Trading Darelle is only a positive outcome if you get a king's ransom in return. Just getting a pick in the low-mid 20's and something in the 80's would suck massive balls. Massive. It would be a complete and total failure. The only thing that could turn around such a travesty is if the team totally nailed those picks, which we probably wouldn't know for a while. So in the mean time I would be the whiniest little **CENSORED** you've ever been forced to be around.
There is no question about having to have some talent, but keep in mind, lovie is a guy who looks for the best fit regarding players and schemes.If it were schiano selling revis, I would be petrified, but it's lovie..so, while I'm not comfortable with letting him go, I also have to believe there is a logical plan.
Much ado about nothing. La Canfora's report is garbage...he is reporting on other teams unnamed executives' speculation that Revis may be available...for the same retread reasons--new regime, new defense that may not be an ideal fit, etc. Read the article, it is a bunch of speculation. No others are picking it up as if it were news. Unfortunately, that is the state of sports journalism these days.
Much ado about nothing. La Canfora's report is garbage...he is reporting on other teams unnamed executives' speculation that Revis may be available...for the same retread reasons--new regime, new defense that may not be an ideal fit, etc. Read the article, it is a bunch of speculation. No others are picking it up as if it were news. Unfortunately, that is the state of sports journalism these days.
I agree that it is much ado about nothing but there is a hypocrisy in criticizing sports journalism today. Did people support newspapers? No. So it stands to reason they have gone out of business. What you have left is the result. PR does us a great service but is the exception rather than the rule. If you don't support a business, it will no longer exist and you are left with lesser alternatives.
No question the compensation is the key and to me is a big issue. SBNation said they would take a third. That's it. Crazy to me. A one and a three, then maybe so. But the first thing is, how many teams would be willing to take on $16 million a year? So that means the pursuing teams would want to renegotiate his salary to be more cap friendly. If that is the case, and Revis is willing to do, that then the Bucs should do that. And I really believe they will do their best to do so before any decision is made. That is the best case scenario to me.And thanks for making great points and sharing opinions without being (all of those words that end up being CENSORED).
So then, what nfl team has cap space, needs a m2m cb, and is a contender?Seems to me, if there is a team the bucs would be talking with, it would be a team that met those qualifications.It's almost a self killing deal though, as those teams picks would be later so..
Its all about what we would get in return. I'm not in the "WTF don't trade Revis-are you nuts?" camp, but I'm also not in the "OMG get him out of here!" camp either. There are some offers I would take and some that I wouldn't. I just can't understand either camp to be honest.
You guys get your nuts untangled already, and realize either situation would be good.If you are a defensive guy, you probably won't be down with a revis trade. If you are an offensive minded fan, you may enjoy having a plethora of picks to move up or stay put and collect players.Let's not act like there is not a positive here.Imo, I like either outcome, but I understand how important the qb position is. If lovie feels like one of the top three qb is worth it (and in lovie's defense isn't "as needed"), and they can mold him into what they want, I'll respect that. If they feel like revis is a keeper, I'll respect that too.But going into this offseason, and especially after schiano's glorious departure, I had the feeling a "big" move would be made. Is this it? Idk. Well said Benchwarmer. I can definitely see the pros and cons of both scenarios. I love the idea of having a healthy Revis on the field. But if someone offered a few high picks it would be hard to turn down. I doubt it happens, so all of this is probably for nothing..
Trading Revis only makes sense if in return you're getting a slightly younger all time corner. Otherwise it's beyond fucking stupid. For some of you idiots to sit here and assume that whatever picks the Bucs would get out of a trade like this would automatically equal All Pros, is absolutely ridiculous. Everyone who wants to trade Revis for "precious" draft picks is an IDIOT.
