Good comments so far. Until Mayfield is consistently good, and I mean over multiple seasons, he'll languish in the mid-lower tiers of NFL QB rankings. He has a lot to overcome in terms of his play and reputation on the field. Last year was progress. He needs to continually improve to move up in the rankings.
exactly ^^
Not sure how much preseason rankings or even in-season rankings matter anyway. In 2023 we almost reached the conference championship. Preseason Mayfield was probbaly bottom-tier ranked Maybe #25?
Dak Prescott was probably top ten? And yet . . .
Dak Prescott was probably top ten? And yet . . .
...he put up 4,500+ yards, 36 TD's (another couple on the ground) vs. 9 INT's at a nearly 70% completion rate.
AP honors, runner up in MVP voting, etc.
He was ranked right where he was supposed to be.
Dak Prescott was probably top ten? And yet . . .
...he put up 4,500+ yards, 36 TD's (another couple on the ground) vs. 9 INT's at a nearly 70% completion rate.
AP honors, runner up in MVP voting, etc.
He was ranked right where he was supposed to be.
and yet?
...he was a Top 3-5 QB last year.
Dak Prescott was probably top ten? And yet . . .
...he put up 4,500+ yards, 36 TD's (another couple on the ground) vs. 9 INT's at a nearly 70% completion rate.
AP honors, runner up in MVP voting, etc.
He was ranked right where he was supposed to be.
and yet?
...he was a Top 3-5 QB last year.
lol and yet…
that’s the point right?
You’re point seems to be that he lived up to or exceeded the preseason valuation. Fair enough. My point was that it meant little in terms of the teams final outcome. I’d take our season over there’s even with our 25th ranked QB.
it’s not fantasy football it’s actual football. Have to play the games in the future, looking back only tells so much.
Mayfield last year played like a top 15 QB. In fact he played like a top 10 QB at times but also a bottom 25 QB at times.
Really hard to judge him but I like him around 17...
Mark me down as a Purdy hater. He's a product of the system and talent.
I just feel like Mayfield will do what he does, and whether he improves or not depends on the rest of the team. The running game has to do better than 31st, and the defense has to keep us in games. That will allow Mayfield to manage the game, which he's good at. He's not just a game manager, but he's also not Dan Marino. If he's forced to throw too much bad things will happen.Good comments so far. Until Mayfield is consistently good, and I mean over multiple seasons, he'll languish in the mid-lower tiers of NFL QB rankings. He has a lot to overcome in terms of his play and reputation on the field. Last year was progress. He needs to continually improve to move up in the rankings.
exactly ^^
Not sure how much preseason rankings or even in-season rankings matter anyway. In 2023 we almost reached the conference championship. Preseason Mayfield was probbaly bottom-tier ranked Maybe #25?
Dak Prescott was probably top ten? And yet . . .
Dak Prescott was probably top ten? And yet . . .
...he put up 4,500+ yards, 36 TD's (another couple on the ground) vs. 9 INT's at a nearly 70% completion rate.
AP honors, runner up in MVP voting, etc.
He was ranked right where he was supposed to be.
and yet?
...he was a Top 3-5 QB last year.
lol and yet…
that’s the point right?
You’re point seems to be that he lived up to or exceeded the preseason valuation. Fair enough. My point was that it meant little in terms of the teams final outcome. I’d take our season over there’s even with our 25th ranked QB.
it’s not fantasy football it’s actual football. Have to play the games in the future, looking back only tells so much.
it's simple really
and really two different arguments
1. who is the better QB? Dak or Mayfield. Obviously the correct answer here is Dak.
2. Who would you rather have on the Bucs, given their contract, how they perform in the playoffs? The answer here can vary for some but BC and I easily choose Mayfield. Dak is 2-5 in the playoffs in his entire career, one win coming against that 2022 abortion of a Bucs team.
so you get better play in the regular season, going to make the playoffs but choke against a high school team if they were the apponent
or you get a guy at half the cost, able to keep some fan favorites, have a shot at the playoffs and to do some damage. Say what you will, but i'd garner Bucs fans had a more enjoyable playoff run than the Cowboys experienced likely in at least the last half of a decade.
and really two different arguments
Well, yes but I was not comparing the two.
I was saying that the correlation between actual team success and some pre-season raking of a QB can be a little shaky.
Another example, the 2022 team. AUTOMATICALLY Super bowl contenders (pre-season betting) when Brady comes back, but most people who follow the Bucs could see that there were problems.
And the 2023 team was reversed (pre-season expectation) largely because of the QB difference. The 2023 was going NOWHERE (in the pre-season), but did BETTER than the GOAT-led Bucs of 2022.
NFL football is NOT Madden, where the team with the best stats wins. NFL football is a team sport where good teams implode because of PERSONALITIES (eg Eagles) and OVERPERFORM because of personalities (Bucs) and implode/succeed because of many other INDIRECT influences on the team, like Brady coming back late and half-hearted etc. Or. like the perceived slights Licht always plays up.
Dak is 2-5 in the playoffs in his entire career, one win coming against that 2022 abortion of a Bucs team.
The NFL is such a fine line between teams and so circumstances often drive QB playoff records. Cousins has a losing playoff record too? I think Mayfield has a winning record or is even, but again so much more to it than the QB play. We didnt lose to the Lions because of Mayfield's play. The Cowboys lost with Prescott throwing two picks (?) maybe one but it was ealry and in their own end so a back breaker, as I recall.
This all brings me back to an earlier point which is that the Bucs locker room has to feel it is ASCENDING. The Cowboys locker room is the OPPOSITE:
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article286287125.html
Doesnt mean that the Bucs outperform the Cowboys BUT it does mean the Cowboys have something to overcome. The Bucs might have that same problem during the season (even tougher) IF they start out flat
If you look at NFL.com or CBS pre-season rankings from 2023 and you skip past MAHOMES as the obvious #1, you have:
Burrow
Hurts
Allen
Herbert
Rodgers
Jackson
Lawrence
Prescott
Watson
Cousins
The order varies a bit between the two lists, but that seems to be a pretty fair list in terms of their individual talent BUT the Bengals were 9-8, the Eagles collapsed (in part because of Hurts), the Bills no shame loss to SB Champs, Chargers and absolute DISASTER, Rodgers INJURED, Ravens delivered, we beat the Jaguars and they missed the playoffs, the Cowboys bowed out rd 1 . .the Browns (watson injured) had a QB derby and the Vikings didnt do crap (injuries).
So, that is 7 of ten teams with pre-season top ranked QBs underperforming relative to expectations . .
Obviously great thing to have a great QB, but so much more too it than just that
He's not just a game manager, but he's also not Dan Marino. If he's forced to throw too much bad things will happen.
agreed
this is one reason i worry about Mayfield having so much control over the offense now though
1. who is the better QB? Dak or Mayfield. Obviously the correct answer here is Dak.
There was only one argument.
And, this is it.
Yeah, Prescott is the better QB
Like I said preseason rankings don't necessary correlate to team success.
"I sucked tonight," Prescott told reporters after the game. "And that's it. … It's about winning, and winning in the playoffs."
They dropped a turd at home against a team we crushed and a QB who probably wasn't even ranked? Not sure, but definitely an upset.
Dak Prescott was probably top ten? And yet . . .
...he put up 4,500+ yards, 36 TD's (another couple on the ground) vs. 9 INT's at a nearly 70% completion rate.
AP honors, runner up in MVP voting, etc.
He was ranked right where he was supposed to be.
and yet?
...he was a Top 3-5 QB last year.
lol and yet…
that’s the point right?
You’re point seems to be that he lived up to or exceeded the preseason valuation. Fair enough. My point was that it meant little in terms of the teams final outcome. I’d take our season over there’s even with our 25th ranked QB.
it’s not fantasy football it’s actual football. Have to play the games in the future, looking back only tells so much.
it's simple really
and really two different arguments
1. who is the better QB? Dak or Mayfield. Obviously the correct answer here is Dak.
2. Who would you rather have on the Bucs, given their contract, how they perform in the playoffs? The answer here can vary for some but BC and I easily choose Mayfield. Dak is 2-5 in the playoffs in his entire career, one win coming against that 2022 abortion of a Bucs team.
so you get better play in the regular season, going to make the playoffs but choke against a high school team if they were the apponent
or you get a guy at half the cost, able to keep some fan favorites, have a shot at the playoffs and to do some damage. Say what you will, but i'd garner Bucs fans had a more enjoyable playoff run than the Cowboys experienced likely in at least the last half of a decade.
I play golf with a guy who is a big cowboys fan. He had his day in the sun when the Cowboys smoked the Bucs in the 2022 playoffs. Wore his "D" hat on the golf course with us. Fast forward to last season's playoffs, certainly the Bucs had a more successful playoff season. He was at lunch with our group yesterday, and offseason progress was a hot topic at the table. He was dumbfounded when it came to discussing the Cowboys progress, or lack thereof, during this offseason. It was a fun conversation. The Bucs have made WAY MORE progress than the Cowboys thus far. The Cowboys are in a major fix...who do they pay and who leaves? Budget is stretched awfully thin.
