The film breakdown... how much did Baker leave on the table the first 3 quarters until we broke out in the 4th when it was too late.
Eye test, this was 50/50 Canales awful play calling and Baker missing the few opportunities he created.
We all know what Baker missed... so what's the verdict on Canales this game?
I saw no identity... I saw running just to say you ran the ball... I didn't see any screen to counter their pressure. I didn't see Godwin or Evans involved. I didn't see much PA. I didn't see the pass to set up the run.
Were there opportunities within a low margin of error? Yes, absolutely... but when Canales isn't calling to well, he essentially calls an offense that requires pinpoint accuracy ala Brees/Brady.
Nothing is simple and nothing is quick when the offense sputters... it's 7 steps and slow.
Let's see if the tape says something else... I've been wrong before. But this game felt like Canales put a ton of pressure on Baker to thread the needle.
so what's the verdict on Canales this game?
This one play is mentioned on another website: run White with Otton to block Cam Jordan
Not a well thought out play. Definitely plenty of blame for Canales
Most blame thpugh is on the players, especially the players in the trenches
Just watch Stinnie, as an easy example
so what's the verdict on Canales this game?
This one play is mentioned on another website: run White with Otton to block Cam Jordan
Not a well thought out play. Definitely plenty of blame for Canales
Most blame thpugh is on the players, especially the players in the trenches
Just watch Stinnie, as an easy example
When the line was giving him perfect pass protection you give him all the credit. When the line plays average, yes average, you blame them. All you Baker fan boys are falling for bullshit.
The first half was brutal play calling. Predictable runs, setting up third and longs.
baker had what, 10, 11 pass attempts?
at that point the game was 17-0.
now don’t get me wrong, he had an INT and wasn’t connecting on passes but Canales reverted back to retarded play calling
but how much of it was saints defense ala when they beat us 38-3, 9-0, and we came back to win a 17-16 Brady masterpiece. Dennis Allen for some reason has our number at home.
plenty of blame to go around, in no order:
1. Dave canales
2. defense soft ass third down
3. Offensive line weak
4. baker mayfield (dude played like he was Kyle trask or Luke Mccown)
5. Todd Bowles - I mean you elect to defer. Idiot.
6. Fumbles - white and Palmer
But of those 6, the saints caused 4 of them with their elite play. Canales and Bowles regressing to November. Now that’s another story and concerning for next week
so what's the verdict on Canales this game?
This one play is mentioned on another website: run White with Otton to block Cam Jordan
Not a well thought out play. Definitely plenty of blame for Canales
Most blame thpugh is on the players, especially the players in the trenches
Just watch Stinnie, as an easy example
When the line was giving him perfect pass protection you give him all the credit. When the line plays average, yes average, you blame them. All you Baker fan boys are falling for bullshit.
watch Winfield then?
Best player on the team arguably . . . TEAM LEADER . . . playing for a contract . . beaten.
JC . . . believing ANYTHING you post would be "falling for the bullshit." You're a former GM. . . . right?
If you were the Saints or any other team playing the Bucs over the last couple years you would say that you beat them by:
Playing MORE PHYSICAL in the trenches
using TEs to exploit the LBs/Safeties and middle of the defense
and
Play zone/brackets coverage on Evans
Thats been the model for a couple seasons. Yesterday was like all of the last season. Like several Saints losses before, IN A GAME THAT WAS "DO OR DIE" for the Saints, not the Bucs.
We couldn't run to stop it, we couldn't get the ball to a TE to stop it. Godwin was MIA
Baker bros in full spin mode. Now even trashing Winfield who will be a lock Ring of Honor player.
Come on JC, throw that hatred in your heart away and use some objectivity
Start with the coin toss - Bucs win toss and defer, Saints get it first and punch us in the mouth for 8 minutes to lead to a touchdown 7-0 - In order of fault - Who gets more fault for this? Todd Bowles? The defense? Baker?
Bucs first offensive drive - 1st play is the patented run for a successful 5 yards, second play is a short pass for 4 yards setting up a 3rd and 1. Bucs blatantly showing run play that even your senile next door 85 year old neighbor sees coming and White is stuffed for -1 yards. Bucs forced to punt. Is this Canales? The offensive line? White? Baker?
Bucs second offensive drive - Bucs bailed out by a penalty, Baker throws INT as Bucs were on the Saints 36 yard line. Could at the very least led to 3 points. I will say, yes this is Baker's fault.
Bucs third offensive drive - A nice 4 yard completion on first down, a negative 2 yard run by Chase Edmonds, a false start by Hainsey to lead to a 3rd and 13. Incomplete pass by Baker. Canales play calling setting up a QB with 3rd and long? Is this Baker? Canales? Edmonds? the offensive line?
Camarda punts 44 yards setting up a Saints 60 yard TD drive, score is now 14-0. Who's fault is this? Special teams? Defense? Todd Bowles? Baker?
Bucs 4th offensive drive - two incomplete passes by Baker and a sack. Yikes. I will give this one to Baker but offensive line could get second place here.
Camarda punts 28 yards setting up a Saints field goal. Got to give this one to special teams no?
so at the end of the first half, the score is 17-0. Is it fair to say that the head coach, offensive coordinator, quarterback, offensive line, our punter, and our defense have all had a hand in the ass kicking or have the facts outlined above clearly show to you that our Quarterback was all to blame? Again, insert Baker with Luke McCown and visualize. can you feel it JC? Visualize? Objectivity!
Bucs 5th offensive drive - color be pink, Bucs incomplete pass on first down, a run on second to set up another 3rd and long, incomplete pass. Who's at fault for this one? Could have easily been Baker but the run on second down? EHHH..who wasn't yelling at their TV on that one. How do you come out of the half time with the same bullshit play calling?
Bucs 6th offensive drive - Talk about establishing the run. Starts off with a run on first down that leads to a holding penalty. Good god, at this point in the game are you clamoring for Canales! Bucs have a few passes to get a first down. They then run it 4 times in a row getting getting chunk yards and White fumbles on the Saints 27th yard line. Saints get a field goal on this 20-0. Who's fault is this one? White? Baker? Canales?
Bucs 7th offensive drive - could it be? a run on first down for 1 yard. No way! Baker connects with Godwin and White for 25 yards only to be sacked for 10 yards and Bucs have to punt. Offensive line at any fault here? Ok give it to Baker as the issue!
Bucs 8th offensive drive - a tipped ball, Baker INT. Baker's fault.
Bucs 9th offensive drive - first play, 35 yard connection to Evans. A 4th down conversion to Godwin for 16 yards and a 22 yard Trey Palmer touchdown. 8 PLAY DRIVE AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW IT...NOT ONE RUNNING PLAY.
Bucs 10th offensive drive - A 54 yard Pass to Trey Palmer who fumbles on the Saints 21. Damn if only, that could have led to a touchdown drive. Is this Palmers fault? or let me guess could it possible be Baker's in your head?
Bucs 11th offensive drive - a 2 play drive hitting Godwin for 47 yard Touchdown.
so while i agree, i did not like how Baker played and we wont win that way, there was plenty of blame to go around?
what killed us worse? Losing anywhere from 6-16 points on the White/Palmer fumbles or losing 3-7 on the Baker INTs?
The film breakdown... how much did Baker leave on the table the first 3 quarters until we broke out in the 4th when it was too late.
Eye test, this was 50/50 Canales awful play calling and Baker missing the few opportunities he created.
We all know what Baker missed... so what's the verdict on Canales this game?
I saw no identity... I saw running just to say you ran the ball... I didn't see any screen to counter their pressure. I didn't see Godwin or Evans involved. I didn't see much PA. I didn't see the pass to set up the run.
Were there opportunities within a low margin of error? Yes, absolutely... but when Canales isn't calling to well, he essentially calls an offense that requires pinpoint accuracy ala Brees/Brady.
Nothing is simple and nothing is quick when the offense sputters... it's 7 steps and slow.
Let's see if the tape says something else... I've been wrong before. But this game felt like Canales put a ton of pressure on Baker to thread the needle.
Let me start off by saying I didn’t like the offensive game plan. The OC wasn’t great Sunday, and the checks the QB made at the LOS didn’t help anything.
However, there were still plenty of plays out there to be made and points left on the field. The main reason for that is the QB. The first interception was a microcosm of this. That should have been a huge play for 6, but the QB horribly underthrew the pass. Many other examples of the QB holding onto the ball too long, making poor reads, inaccurate throws, more tipped balls, bad run checks, etc..
FFS, the QB had like 52 passing yards at halftime, with most of those only coming after NO penalties extended drives. That wasn’t because of the playcalling.
Hard to say completely, as some of the play calling was not the best in this game. But, as an example, 1st Bucs' drive, 2nd and 5, he throws to Otton for 4. Had Godwin momentarily open down the seam for closer to 10, but waited too long, allowing the safety to close that pass off. I don't think Baker is very good at reading and understanding defenses and where his open guy is going to be...or, he does, but doesn't trust his judgement. Either way, he often waits until the opportunity is gone, or get's "spooked" into thinking a wide open guy is covered somehow. Need to see some all-22 to get a better feel for what happened.
Hard to say completely, as some of the play calling was not the best in this game. But, as an example, 1st Bucs' drive, 2nd and 5, he throws to Otton for 4. Had Godwin momentarily open down the seam for closer to 10, but waited too long, allowing the safety to close that pass off. I don't think Baker is very good at reading and understanding defenses and where his open guy is going to be...or, he does, but doesn't trust his judgement. Either way, he often waits until the opportunity is gone, or get's "spooked" into thinking a wide open guy is covered somehow. Need to see some all-22 to get a better feel for what happened.
and again i ask you, how many QBs in this league read defenses good all the time. I think you are setting the bar as Tom Brady. that is ridiculous standard.
let's see who are the top 10 QBs of all time, in no order - Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montano, Dan Marino, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, John Elway, and Steve Young
are we holding our Bucs QBs to that standard?
How'd Trevor Lawrence look against us? Hell, how has he looked career to date? #1 overall pick and they still dont know if he's the guy in 2028
i mean shit, look at Patrick Mahomes year. 4,183 YARDS, 27 TDs, 14 INTs, RTG 92.6, QBR 62.5, completion % 67.2
Mystery QB #1 - 3,907 yards, 28 TDs, 10 INTs, RTG 95.9, QBR 55.5 , completion % 64.4
Mystery QB #2 - 0 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, RTG 39.6, QBR 1.2, completion % 0
can you guess Mystery QBs 1 and 2 ?
Baker was ass until it didn't matter. That much cannot be denied... I'm just curious how much meat he left on the bone. I don't think there was a lot.
I felt like the identity of the game favored the Saints because we played right into their hand by defering beta-style and then play soft ass zone that they could convert easy. So right away they are throwing punches and we are trying bend don't break.
Then on offense we play right into their physicality and strength of their run defense while their secondary was LITTERED with backups. We should have come out pass pass pass... short passes to set up the offense, not run plays to third and long.
And I think Baker audibled into a few runs too so he gets to share that blame... but Canales pitched an awful game.
Once we opened it up, just like other games, the ball moves.
We didn't go with any tempo down big, but rather we run the ball and run clock.
It's just armature football in the biggest game of the season.
A chance to have a killer mentality but instead Bowles just stands there perplexed and Canales sticks with what isn't working. Baker isn't good enough to cary us through bad play calling and no run game down big
I think coaching failed yesterday but I kinda expected them to sleep on the fact that this was a must win game for the saints and they hate losing to us and prior to yesterday we had the upper hand of late. Expected the saints best game. Too bad we didn't match that intensity.
The film breakdown... how much did Baker leave on the table the first 3 quarters until we broke out in the 4th when it was too late.
Eye test, this was 50/50 Canales awful play calling and Baker missing the few opportunities he created.
We all know what Baker missed... so what's the verdict on Canales this game?
I saw no identity... I saw running just to say you ran the ball... I didn't see any screen to counter their pressure. I didn't see Godwin or Evans involved. I didn't see much PA. I didn't see the pass to set up the run.
Were there opportunities within a low margin of error? Yes, absolutely... but when Canales isn't calling to well, he essentially calls an offense that requires pinpoint accuracy ala Brees/Brady.
Nothing is simple and nothing is quick when the offense sputters... it's 7 steps and slow.
Let's see if the tape says something else... I've been wrong before. But this game felt like Canales put a ton of pressure on Baker to thread the needle.
Let me start off by saying I didn’t like the offensive game plan. The OC wasn’t great Sunday, and the checks the QB made at the LOS didn’t help anything.
However, there were still plenty of plays out there to be made and points left on the field. The main reason for that is the QB. The first interception was a microcosm of this. That should have been a huge play for 6, but the QB horribly underthrew the pass. Many other examples of the QB holding onto the ball too long, making poor reads, inaccurate throws, more tipped balls, bad run checks, etc..
FFS, the QB had like 52 passing yards at halftime, with most of those only coming after NO penalties extended drives. That wasn’t because of the playcalling.
This game had a very similar feel to the most recent Atlanta game. Tampa only had 85 yards of offense at the half with 47 of those being passing yards in that game. Main differences being the defense didn't ball out and bail out the offense, and the opposing special teams didn't miss any FG's. Whole defense played like ass yesterday, but the stubbornness to go back to Devin White and Ryan Neal as primary starters are headscratchers....I get Devin had a solid game last week, but has he not shown all season that he can't be trusted especially in big moments, and Ryan Neal yes he filled in admirably at LB when we were down to the waterboy for depth, but he too has shown that he is burnt toast covered in shit all season long ! I know we were down CD3, but we also had Izien to man the slot as well as other solid #4 corners so that Dee Delaney, and Merriweather could have manned the other safety slot so that Ryan Neal never had to see the field. I hate to compare Bowles to Lovie because they are night and day as coordinators as far as agression and scheme, but as head coaches they were both ultra conservative, and the loyalty to "their guys" (White,Neal,Peanut Tillman,Conte) is just maddening.
Identity of the game favored the Saints because we played right into their hand by defering beta-style and then play soft ass zone that they could convert easy. So right away they are throwing punches and we are trying bend don't break.
this
and it was even worse because the team came out FLAT:
LVD -
“We came out very flat and [weren’t] executing,” David said. “It’s disappointing for me to say, but we [weren’t] ready today. I don’t know for what reason. With everything at stake, we weren’t ready today. I wasn’t ready as a leader to get everybody ready and going. We’re definitely going to have to get ready for next week. That’s the good thing about it is we’ve got another opportunity next week and we’re going to learn from this one.”
WIRFS -
“Yeah, we were flat today – absolutely,” Wirfs said. “We can’t have that, especially in a division game, especially the Saints, especially for a title – just for everything. There are a lot of things that made this an important game, a big game. You can’t come out like that.
“I tried saying something at halftime to everybody to get everyone going a little more,” Wirfs said. “In the first half everyone came out flat and that was unacceptable, especially at this point in the season and in a game like this.”
And they had key players have a bad game. Winfield stands out (bot only because he s usually so good).
