Was Winfield even bad or did Carr make some nice throws because we generated zero pass rush?
Todd needs to blitz more at the line and stop hiding them which are delayed...
Vikings do a good job of this. Everyone at the line and then confuse them by dropping
Baker bros in full spin mode. Now even trashing Winfield who will be a lock Ring of Honor player.
I mean, this ^^^ is why you get dragged around here all the time.
No one is "trashing" Winfield by NOTING that he is usually not beaten, let alone TWICE on key plays. I guess PR is "trashing" him by reporting this:
"Making matters worse for the Bucs was that two of their best, most consistent and reliable players – punter Jake Camarda and safety Antoine Winfield Jr. – had terrible games. Camarda shanked several punts and wound up with just a 41.7 average and a 36-yard net. He also had a short kickoff in the second half that was returned 27 yards. Perhaps Camarda is dealing with an unknown injury.
Winfield, who has been playing at an All-Pro level all season, didn’t make any splash plays on Sunday. In fact, he gave up a 32-yard catch by tight end Juwan Johnson and a 22-yard touchdown to tight end Taysom Hill."
and here is the really odd thing about the supposed football smart set here on the RB . . .. Mayfield throws a bad pick early BUT that pick leaves NO at their own goal line. The defense lets them out though with WINFIELD allowing a 32 yard completion to a TE on 3-8. That flips the field. Bucs get it back eventually inside their own 20 instead of midfield. This leads to the Saints getting a drive starting at their 40 after a Bucs punt. They take it 60 for an other TD . . a pass to Hill . . covered by WINFIELD.
and at that point they are already down because the DEFENSE (not Mayfield) gave up 16 play, 75 yard TD drive on the first drive of the game to a SAINTS TEAM THAT HAD NOT SCORED A TD ON A FIRSTD RIVE ALL SEASON (according to the game announcer).
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Was Winfield even bad or did Carr make some nice throws because we generated zero pass rush?
Winfield is really never "bad"
he got beat though. TWICE, both pivotal pays and the lack of pass rush definitely helped Carr get out the deep pass to Hill
This was one of Canales’ worst playcalling games. Baker wasn’t good, but Canales didn’t set this offense up for success. No rhythm with running or passing. 10 passes in the first half isn’t close to good enough, especially when you’re having no success with the run.
Was Winfield even bad or did Carr make some nice throws because we generated zero pass rush?
Winfield was beaten once on a helluva throw by Carr. The other play PR and the loon is referencing was not on Winfield, even though he was there to make the tackle. It was on White or Neal, and I think it was White.
Winfield was fine.
and again i ask you, how many QBs in this league read defenses good all the time. I think you are setting the bar as Tom Brady. that is ridiculous standard.
let's see who are the top 10 QBs of all time, in no order - Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montano, Dan Marino, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, John Elway, and Steve Young
are we holding our Bucs QBs to that standard?
How'd Trevor Lawrence look against us? Hell, how has he looked career to date? #1 overall pick and they still dont know if he's the guy in 2028
i mean shit, look at Patrick Mahomes year. 4,183 YARDS, 27 TDs, 14 INTs, RTG 92.6, QBR 62.5, completion % 67.2
Mystery QB #1 - 3,907 yards, 28 TDs, 10 INTs, RTG 95.9, QBR 55.5 , completion % 64.4
Mystery QB #2 - 0 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, RTG 39.6, QBR 1.2, completion % 0
can you guess Mystery QBs 1 and 2 ?
This isn't about other QB's in the league during a year where overall QB play has been impacted by Brady and Rogers not playing, and with some players having an off year, like Mahommes. And yes, he's having an off year, so why are you comparing. Also, stats don't mean shit out of context. Add up all the TD's that Mayfield has thrown through 3 quarters every game and what will you find then? Or the yardage? You'll find a QB who's stats are then in the toilet. He makes up for it during the 4th quarter when teams are playing softer defenses, and/or he gets into "just f it!" mode and slings away. Pads them stats nicely. Not too mention a quarter (7 of 28) of his TD's came in two games.
Why do you continue to accept lesser play from the QB position? Don't you want better play from it?
Why do you continue to accept lesser play from the QB position? Don't you want better play from it?
and that would come from Trask?
isn't that . . . . conjecture?
and again i ask you, how many QBs in this league read defenses good all the time. I think you are setting the bar as Tom Brady. that is ridiculous standard.
let's see who are the top 10 QBs of all time, in no order - Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montano, Dan Marino, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, John Elway, and Steve Young
are we holding our Bucs QBs to that standard?
How'd Trevor Lawrence look against us? Hell, how has he looked career to date? #1 overall pick and they still dont know if he's the guy in 2028
i mean shit, look at Patrick Mahomes year. 4,183 YARDS, 27 TDs, 14 INTs, RTG 92.6, QBR 62.5, completion % 67.2
Mystery QB #1 - 3,907 yards, 28 TDs, 10 INTs, RTG 95.9, QBR 55.5 , completion % 64.4
Mystery QB #2 - 0 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, RTG 39.6, QBR 1.2, completion % 0
can you guess Mystery QBs 1 and 2 ?
This isn't about other QB's in the league during a year where overall QB play has been impacted by Brady and Rogers not playing, and with some players having an off year, like Mahommes. And yes, he's having an off year, so why are you comparing. Also, stats don't mean shit out of context. Add up all the TD's that Mayfield has thrown through 3 quarters every game and what will you find then? Or the yardage? You'll find a QB who's stats are then in the toilet. He makes up for it during the 4th quarter when teams are playing softer defenses, and/or he gets into "just f it!" mode and slings away. Pads them stats nicely. Not too mention a quarter (7 of 28) of his TD's came in two games.
Why do you continue to accept lesser play from the QB position? Don't you want better play from it?
but he’s top 10 in most categories
You can’t even admit he’s top 15-18 category? I’d call that mid, not less
Brady had 9 TDs in 2 of his first 12 games with the team. Take those out and he has 19 TDs and 10 INTs in the Bucs superbowl year. They were 7-5.
now do you see why you can’t dissect stats like that?
Brady won us a superbowl. Baker won’t do that. But then again, Bree’s played nearly 20 years and has 1. Same thing with rodgers. Both of those guys are top 10 QBs all time. Brett Favre. Just one.
its a team sport too. Teams like Niners ravens are stacked. Teams like eagles and Dallas are also talented much more than tampas roster. You can’t expect us to beat those teams.
chiefs? Yeah they have baby goat and mahomes is a top 10 QB all time
And also he’s likely our best efficient option for 2024.
as far as veterans - Kirk Cousins and maybe Russell Wilson could be better but what would they cost us?
baker likely in the $25 to $30 million range. And the question becomes if same coaching staff, he’s already got a year in the offense. If new coaching staff, moving on from baker may make more sense but still a crap shoot with Wilson.
I’d imagine Kirk cousins could command $40 million for a team like Denver, Minnesota, Las Vegas or Atlanta.
other potential veteran options would be if bears or cardinals move on from their QBs but would hardly suggest they are better options just more potential maybe.
got to think commanders and patriots at the bare minimum take a QB in the top 5. Could the Bears? Probably.
so highly unlikely a “the guy” QB falls to us at 19. we should draft an edge rusher there with shaq as a cap casualty and JTR soft. Or if there’s a stud interior lineman. Not sure. Haven’t studied draft much yet
The love of mediocre QB play here, and the unwillingness to see if we can do better is just absurd. It really is. It's loserville mentality.
but he’s top 10 in most categories
You can’t even admit he’s top 15-18 category? I’d call that mid, not less
You keep making these points, and you aren’t wrong. But this is largely because of the very poor QB play we’ve seen this season, not Mayfield’s play. Go take a gander at the starting QB’s across the NFL on Sunday, including studs like Bailey Zappe, Jaron Hall, Easton Stick, CJ Beathard, Jarrett Stidham, Trevor Simian, Mason Rudolph, Taylor Heinicke, Jake Browning, Tyrod Taylor, Drew Lock, & Sam Howell/Jacoby Brissett combo. It’s a pretty laughable pool, compared to damn near any year over the last three decades.
You keep making these points, and you aren’t wrong. But this is largely because of the very poor QB play we’ve seen this season
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Buggsy, the Trask supporter who was UNABLE admit he wanted to bench Mayfield in October (when playoffs were not even in the picture) and instead claimed he "consistently" said playoffs didn't matter
and the unwillingness to see if we can do better is just absurd
again, youre making up fake arguments (strawman) must be another Gator trait
Your guy cant win the opportunity so you want him GIVEN the opportunity.
Baker was ass until it didn't matter. That much cannot be denied... I'm just curious how much meat he left on the bone. I don't think there was a lot.
I felt like the identity of the game favored the Saints because we played right into their hand by defering beta-style and then play soft ass zone that they could convert easy. So right away they are throwing punches and we are trying bend don't break.
Then on offense we play right into their physicality and strength of their run defense while their secondary was LITTERED with backups. We should have come out pass pass pass... short passes to set up the offense, not run plays to third and long.
And I think Baker audibled into a few runs too so he gets to share that blame... but Canales pitched an awful game.
Once we opened it up, just like other games, the ball moves.
We didn't go with any tempo down big, but rather we run the ball and run clock.
It's just armature football in the biggest game of the season.
A chance to have a killer mentality but instead Bowles just stands there perplexed and Canales sticks with what isn't working. Baker isn't good enough to cary us through bad play calling and no run game down big
This is actually pretty spot on from the film I've seen.
and the unwillingness to see if we can do better is just absurd
again, youre making up fake arguments (strawman) must be another Gator trait
Your guy cant win the opportunity so you want him GIVEN the opportunity.
You must have had a lobotomy or something. I think it was pretty evident that Trask won the preseason competition and was the better camp QB, for the most part. Mayfield won because he was given the job at his signing. The competition was strictly a case of if Baker just absolutely sucked, and Trask looked like Brady 2.0 that they could actually give the job to Trask. The reality is Trask had very little hope of actually winning the job regardless of how well he did. That's been reported from a number of sources. Todd wasn't going with the guy without any starts because of his job security issues. Period.
