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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

The All-22 on this one is...well...woof. 

Reminds me a bit of the Lions game. 

from the coin flip decision until the trey Palmer fumble, the entire game was ugly.

coaching offense defense and special teams 

team wasn’t prepared.

with their lives on the line (Bowles, Canales, Mayfield) you would expect all hands on deck this week against the 2 win panthers 

the only thing wrong would be if our front office and ownership prematurely gave them a vote of confidence during the 4 game win streak 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 1:38 pm
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

The All-22 on this one is...well...woof. 

Reminds me a bit of the Lions game. 

Lets hear it

 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 1:45 pm
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I'm positive Baker's tape will look awful on all 22.

But we cannot excuse Canales stubbornness to run the ball too often and regress to what didn't work. 

I've said this once and I'll say it again. Canales keeps putting us in position where Baker has to be a really good QB with a low margin for error.

He certainly did this against the Saints and Baker flopped until they let him air it out in the 4th.

We were down 20 fucking points and Canales still runs the ball on 2nd and 10. No hurry up. Just killing clock.

Top to bottom nobody played well vs Saints. That to me goes back to Bowles.

Our line is very good as pass pro, and bottom of the league in the run game... like, take a fucking clue Canales. Especially when you're down.

- move the pocket so his balls don't get batted.

- create quick read plays

- screen passes to counter aggressive pass rush

- short throws that act like a run play

- more targets for Evans and Godwin

Canales flopped. Baker flopped harder.

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 2:33 pm
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

The All-22 on this one is...well...woof. 

Reminds me a bit of the Lions game. 

Lets hear it

 

I'll just use the 2nd drive as an example. 

First play of the drive, he has Palmer open (NFL-open) for a huge catch and run TD. Palmer (in ISO) smokes his defender off the press and the safety was already cheating to the opposite side of the field. 

Per usual, Baker never looks his way. He's fixed on his 1st read and never gets off it. He double clutches (shocker) and fires a pass to Otton for a completion. 

Next play, it looks like Baker checks into the run. Could be wrong. But, it also looks like they're in C1. Which, there is definitely a lot of that throughout the game (Baker checking into run against C1 and similar fronts). 

Bailed out by penalty, bad run, bad rocket sweep, good throw to Evans for a big gain (multiple guys wide open), another run. 

Then we get to the play that sums up Baker in a nutshell this year. 

11P with Evans out wide, Godwin out wide, and Palmer in the slot (Baker shotgun w/White). 

Play-action pass. Literally the second he hits the last step of his drop, Evans has completely blown by his defender. Palmer is beating his defender. Single safety was favoring Evans' side from the snap. Baker is staring down Palmer leaving his defender in the dust. 

And, Baker just pumps it. Not once. Not twice. But, three times...which allows the pass rusher to eventually get by Stinnie who pulled. Nearly 4 seconds of clean pocket. 

Great play design. Great play call. Dogshit Qb'ing. 

And, naturally, the drive ends on a pick from Mayfield who underthrew an open Palmer. 

Now, as I mentioned before, the game plan was horrible. But, there's at least 5 runs by my count that Baker actually checked in to. 

We've seen it all year. Leaving tons of points on the board because of mediocre-to-bad QB play. 

That being said, this Saints game was just a mitigated disaster from the start. Coaching, execution, focus, etc. 

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 3:14 pm
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Here is the "all-22"  if you want to see that 1st drive or even that 2nd drive lol with your own eyes

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtG-DhAbu0

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 3:28 pm
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First play of the second drive (already down a TD, already exchanged punts)is 14:13 on the link.  Backed up. Premium on getting the ball out

Starting at our 11 , I think, so Mayfield is throwing from his 3 or 4 yard line The first read is GODWIN.

We run this play often -- Evans clearing out right up the middle for Godwin to cut underneath. -It's a good play against MAN (look at the response to the motion from Godwin . . whats the pre-snap read?).  What do they end up playing?

 

Its a good play BACKED-UP because its quick BUT because they are not playing man, their LB is actually there waiting for Godwin. The second read ON THAT SIDE OF THE FIELD (backed up throwing inside our 5) is Otton. The outside receiver in the direction of the first read.

BY DESIGN . . .Palmer and Evans are NEVER going to get the ball (short of a total breakdown improv)

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Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 3:46 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

BY DESIGN . . .Palmer and Evans are NEVER going to get the ball (short of a total breakdown improv)

Lolz

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 4:13 pm
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Lolz

Indeed. 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 4:47 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

BY DESIGN . . .Palmer and Evans are NEVER going to get the ball (short of a total breakdown improv)

I got nothing

 

I know

Buggsy, I have no doubt you think those guys (Evans and Palmer) are in the regular progression on that play.  NO DOUBT. ROFLMAO.  

 

Brady ran this type of play probably 100 times while a Buc. In the last year especially, with Brady getting the ball faster than any QB and under those circumstances, he also throws to the outside receiver or even in the dirt. 

If you want to find a play to really criticize Mayfield ESPECIALLY RELATIVE TO BRADY, its easily the interception that was coming.  Mayfield does NOT have the discipline (especially pressing) to do what Brady does in that exact scenario which is throw a  TD (very unlikely GIVEN THE TIMING) or more likely throw it away

 

Watch the play. I even posted the link.

Mayfield should reset before throwing but he cant because the blcoker out int he space (a TE, I think) has two or whiffs or something so Mayfield tries to throw DEEP while going left and without resetting (NOPE) when hes already SO LATE that the best he can be doing is throwing a jump ball.

 

Brady ROUTINELY throws that kind of ball away

 

this stuff is NOT ROCKET SURGERY

 

BTW, if you watch almost any one of those offensive plays (except m aybe the very first run) you will see lineman and TEs getting beaten like rented mules . . . over and over and over

 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 4:50 pm
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Posted by: @firebowles2023

so what's the verdict on Canales this game?

This one play is mentioned on another website: run White with Otton to block Cam Jordan

Not a well thought out play.  Definitely plenty of blame for Canales

Most blame thpugh is on the players, especially the players in the trenches

 

Just watch Stinnie, as an easy example

All the offensive plays are right there to see.  Just fast forward through them and watch ONLY Stinnie. 

Or even Mauch, unfortunately . .as well as he has been playing lately.

 

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 4:53 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

BY DESIGN . . .Palmer and Evans are NEVER going to get the ball (short of a total breakdown improv)

Lolz

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtG-DhAbu0

 

14:13

 

 

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 4:58 pm
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Posted by: @biggs3535

Lolz

Indeed. 

No self-awareness, with even less shame. Completely clueless.

 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 6:29 pm
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Posted by: @biggs3535

Lolz

Indeed. 

No RESPONSE

 

 

of course

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 8:30 pm
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Posted by: @biggs3535

No self-awareness, with even less shame. Completely clueless.

"Hey Buggsy...I'm not obsessed with you, but look I posted a link to an All-22 breakdown"

"Listen Buggsy...not sure if you saw it the 1st time, but I posted a link to the game film for you review".

"Hello? Here's another post, quoting my previous 17 posts to show you the link I left. What else am I supposed to do? You won't answer my calls, you change your number. I mean, I'm not gonna be ignored, Buggsy (while laying down on the floor, flipping the tableside lamp on and off, on and off, on and off...)"

 

 

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 8:42 pm
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Didnt read the entire thread but if you think that pass to juwan johnson down the middle was Winfields fault, IT WAS NOT it was Ryan neal/Devin white and it was ridiculously bad when you go back an watch it

 
Posted : Jan. 3, 2024 8:48 pm
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