IT WAS NOT it was Ryan neal/Devin white and it was ridiculously bad when you go back an watch it
Ironically, the 2 hills that Bowles is hell-bent dying on.
Didnt read the entire thread but if you think that pass to juwan johnson down the middle was Winfields fault, IT WAS NOT it was Ryan neal/Devin white and it was ridiculously bad when you go back an watch it
I did when I first saw it but yeah you’re right
DH and Biggs - you guys seemingly blame 90% of the short coming on Baker.
Canales was objectively bad this game. Macro-level (IE game plan) was an F.
He did manage to create some opportunities but like any athlete of limited skill and upside, you need to find him rhythm.
Instead of finding Baker rhythm via easy, quick, short read passes... he decided to put him in as many third and longs as possible by his stubbornness to run early and often right up the middle.
If Canales wants to take the next step, he needs to realize that the best coordinators adjust their scheme to meet the needs of their talent.
Canales is running his offense as if we have Philly talent.
DH and Biggs - you guys seemingly blame 90% of the short coming on Baker.
Canales was objectively bad this game. Macro-level (IE game plan) was an F.
He did manage to create some opportunities but like any athlete of limited skill and upside, you need to find him rhythm.
Instead of finding Baker rhythm via easy, quick, short read passes... he decided to put him in as many third and longs as possible by his stubbornness to run early and often right up the middle.
If Canales wants to take the next step, he needs to realize that the best coordinators adjust their scheme to meet the needs of their talent.
Canales is running his offense as if we have Philly talent.
The bottom line is that Baker is limiting the offense. The Saints came in with a plan to take away some of the easy stuff that Baker likes. Making him take a while usually ends up in bad shit happening with him, and that was want they wanted to accomplish. There were still plenty of plays to be made. Hell...just throw the ball deeper to Palmer instead of effing throwing the pick, and it's a tied game early. Think that might change things a little? The QB is the most important player on offense, and Baker is mediocre most days, average some, and elite every once in awhile. It's the occasional elite game that makes some people think he could be the guy. But, it's just a tease man. Just a tease. He can never play at that level sustained.
DH and Biggs - you guys seemingly blame 90% of the short coming on Baker.
Canales was objectively bad this game. Macro-level (IE game plan) was an F.
He did manage to create some opportunities but like any athlete of limited skill and upside, you need to find him rhythm.
Instead of finding Baker rhythm via easy, quick, short read passes... he decided to put him in as many third and longs as possible by his stubbornness to run early and often right up the middle.
If Canales wants to take the next step, he needs to realize that the best coordinators adjust their scheme to meet the needs of their talent.
Canales is running his offense as if we have Philly talent.
excellent post!
Baker is mediocre most days, average some, and elite every once in awhile. It's the occasional elite game that makes some people think he could be the guy. But, it's just a tease man. Just a tease. He can never play at that level sustained.
This is almost verbatim from Cleveland fans I work with.
DH and Biggs - you guys seemingly blame 90% of the short coming on Baker.
Canales was objectively bad this game. Macro-level (IE game plan) was an F.
He did manage to create some opportunities but like any athlete of limited skill and upside, you need to find him rhythm.
Instead of finding Baker rhythm via easy, quick, short read passes... he decided to put him in as many third and longs as possible by his stubbornness to run early and often right up the middle.
If Canales wants to take the next step, he needs to realize that the best coordinators adjust their scheme to meet the needs of their talent.
Canales is running his offense as if we have Philly talent.
I’ve said I disliked the game plan by the OC to start out with. But yes, you’re right - most of this was on the QB.
I’m not trying to be a dickhead here, but I will be frank. For the overwhelming majority of this season, you’ve irrationally blamed the playcaller while the QB missed open receiver after open receiver while also saying there aren’t any open receivers. There have been open receivers all year, and there were plenty on Sunday. You’ve also bitched when runs were called on first down, runs were called on second down, and runs were called on third down. That isn’t rational.
To wrap this up in a bow, I didn’t like the gameplan going in the game. But adjustments were made early in the second quarter. I’ll put Q1 on the OC’s head, but not the rest of the game. The problem was the QB continued to play like crap for three full quarters. With average-to-above average QB play, the team scores 28+ points. Instead the offense was shutout for 3+ quarters of football. The QB played like shit, including numerous poor run checks. A rational person can’t put that on the playcaller.
DH and Biggs - you guys seemingly blame 90% of the short coming on Baker.
Canales was objectively bad this game. Macro-level (IE game plan) was an F.
He did manage to create some opportunities but like any athlete of limited skill and upside, you need to find him rhythm.
Instead of finding Baker rhythm via easy, quick, short read passes... he decided to put him in as many third and longs as possible by his stubbornness to run early and often right up the middle.
If Canales wants to take the next step, he needs to realize that the best coordinators adjust their scheme to meet the needs of their talent.
Canales is running his offense as if we have Philly talent.
I would say it's more like 70%, but you're entitled to your opinion.
And, as I did in multiple posts, put a good amount of blame on Canales (or Bowles) for the ridiculous situational run-rates (not counting the numerous ones Baker checked in to).
The bottom line is that Baker is limiting the offense.
Listen, this is on Dave.
He just needs to modify his offense to the following:
- One read only.
- Quick slants, Smoke Outs, 3-yard hitches, and WR bubble screens only. Absolutely nothing 10-yards beyond the LOS.
- Only run the ball on 2nd-and-inches.
- No snaps under center. Shotgun only.
- New pass blocking scheme that allows multiple pulls, to allow the QB to see over the line of scrimmage.
- And, not be extremely predictable, while averaging 28 PPG.
I mean, the only alternative is upgrading at QB...but that would be crazy talk.
DH and Biggs - you guys seemingly blame 90% of the short coming on Baker.
Canales was objectively bad this game. Macro-level (IE game plan) was an F.
He did manage to create some opportunities but like any athlete of limited skill and upside, you need to find him rhythm.
Instead of finding Baker rhythm via easy, quick, short read passes... he decided to put him in as many third and longs as possible by his stubbornness to run early and often right up the middle.
If Canales wants to take the next step, he needs to realize that the best coordinators adjust their scheme to meet the needs of their talent.
Canales is running his offense as if we have Philly talent.
excellent post!
agreed
KEEP IN MIND you win this game by taking the life out of them early . . and we let them drive for a TD. Bowles admits this was a bad defensive choice (D played to stop the deep ball)
If you just watch the offensive film (I posted the link here) and you watch the first series, you will see a critical 3rd and 1 destroyed by Otton and Canales. Otton for basically whiffing on a block, Canales for calling a play that has Otton blocking their best guy.
In the second series you should see that DEFENSIVELY the Sainsts are not only pushing us around BUT they also have us figured out AND MOST IMPORTANTLY HAVE BAKER AND CANALES CONFUSED. Watch the 1st play of the 2nd series discussed in the thread. We are playing as if its man, they drop in zone and literally knew the play to the point that the MLB basically hugs Godwin.
Even the INTERCEPTION, which is a terrible DECISION by Mayfield, basic complementary football says the defense holds them in tight and we get the ball back at midfiled. Instead, a terrible 32 yard completion on 3rd and 8.
BUT . . .if you read the game day thread and the immediate post game threads the discussion is almost exclusively Baker mayfield lol.
Mayfield has a bad game FOR SURE, maybe his worst . . but part of that is the team around him getting BLASTED and the defensive and even special tams falling down. The Saints kicked the dog spit out of the entire Bucs team (it was a MUST WIN FOR THEM)
The bottom line is that Baker is limiting the offense.
I mean, the only alternative is upgrading at QB...but that would be crazy talk.
and just how do you do that in season?
kirk cousins is hurt and under contract. Russell Wilson contract is a nightmare and under contract.
both likely to be free agents and we can consider it in 2024
but right now we are stuck with pro bowl alternate mayfield
One reason I posted a link to the offensive myself is because you should watch it and ask yourself about all the posts here that Mayfield is supposedly missing many open receivers and the one I love "double clutching"
EVERY PLAY is going to have someone open but not thrown to because they are not in the play side progression or the timing is off. Same thing if you watch film of Brady WHO THREW THE BALL IN 2 secondslol. By that standard (Palmer running open on a play to the other side of the field) they BOTH** miss open guys all the time
And watch Mayfield on the Godwin TD. What does he do? he TRIPLE CLUTCHES .. .. TRIPLE (lol).
Watch the play. Why is he doing that? what is Godwin doing?
Does Mayfield sometimes fail to pull the trigger when he should YES (especially earlier in the season)
Is he failing to pull the trigger everytime he pumps the ball? NO lol
We should all have hoped he TRIPLE CLUTCHED and never through the deep ball to palmer lol
(** to be fair to Brady as the undisputed GOAT, the play where Palmer is supposedly open BUT never really in the progression is actually the exact type of play where Brady would go "off script" to AB in the position of Palmer (and better field position). Its one reason he is the GOAT, but Palmer is also not AB and Mayfield is NOT EVEN CLOSE to Brady. and BTW, Brady's 2nd read in that exact play . . . GRONK (not Otton lol)
but right now we are stuck with pro bowl alternate mayfield
LOL.
Even the Trask supporting/Mayfield-crushing crew here would acknowledge (I think) that Mayfield is GREATLY outplaying everyone's PRE-season expectations?
I hope
Ironic
"I mean, we’ve got a bunch of guys [who] have contributed to my individual success. Between the line, protection guys – whether it’s the tight ends or running backs picking it up – everybody making the plays,” Mayfield said. “That’s why it’s the greatest team sport ever.
“Guys get recognized for individual accolades and games, but it’s the greatest team sport, so I appreciate all my teammates and everybody that has helped us get this far, but we’re not done yet.”
The bottom line is that Baker is limiting the offense.
Listen, this is on Dave.
He just needs to modify his offense to the following:
- One read only.
- Quick slants, Smoke Outs, 3-yard hitches, and WR bubble screens only. Absolutely nothing 10-yards beyond the LOS.
- Only run the ball on 2nd-and-inches.
- No snaps under center. Shotgun only.
- New pass blocking scheme that allows multiple pulls, to allow the QB to see over the line of scrimmage.
- And, not be extremely predictable, while averaging 28 PPG.
I mean, the only alternative is upgrading at QB...but that would be crazy talk.
If only we had a QB on this roster who has a history of going through progressions, hitting intermediate passes in the seams (I heard Canales talk about some QB being great at that during pre-season, I think), and not panicking under pressure while being able to keep his eyes down the field and letting passes go with anticipation. Oh well...gotta change the offense. And to think, someone you love just took your post a little too serious. SMH.
Life's great with alternate pro-bowler Mayfield during a year with such crappy QB play all around.
