wait a min this is what we are supposed to be excited about? Cant get off the line against the Gators smf. i saw he had a sack and a QB pressure and both on screens. this guy is not a top 10 pick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3DNwnpJs8Y
It all hinges on what teams do in FA. The QBs in the draft are likely gonna go quick, as there's not much on the QB FA market to get excited about. Same with FA WRs. If we're really serious about developing Glennon, he could definitely use stud WR like Watkins. DE's are plentiful in FA.
The better option in that scenario with both Matthews and Watkins on the board is to get multiple teams interested in the 7th pick and trading down to gain extra picks. The Bucs need to fix both the offensive and defensive lines during free agency and the draft. Unless Watkins is the next AJ Green, Julio Jones, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald I just don't see the Bucs spending that high of a pick on a receiver. Lets also not forget his was kicked off the team for substance problems...more specifically weed. So lets not pretend he is squeaky clean prospect.
No way.
now this would make more sense for more teams http://nflmocks.com/2014/01/06/2014-nfl-mock-draft-update-bcs-national-championship-edition/
no, passing on Robinson for Watkins makes no sense. People are always way too infatuated with WR's year in and year out (I think if we had a consensus message board pick we'd have drafted a WR every year for the last decade).
Just because people on here fall in love with receivers every year doesn't mean all receivers are bad picks. Some of them are really good.
The better option in that scenario with both Matthews and Watkins on the board is to get multiple teams interested in the 7th pick and trading down to gain extra picks. The Bucs need to fix both the offensive and defensive lines during free agency and the draft. Unless Watkins is the next AJ Green, Julio Jones, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald I just don't see the Bucs spending that high of a pick on a receiver. Lets also not forget his was kicked off the team for substance problems...more specifically weed. So lets not pretend he is squeaky clean prospect.
Trading down is my perfect storm. There will be plenty of very good players still on the board, and we'd gain an additional pick, either 2nd or 3rd rounder. We have serious needs at WR that aren't likely to get filled in FA, but it doesn't have to be Watkins.
Bortles is out of the picture now...Makes this mock irrelevant.
are you kidding me? a WR can solve OL woes by getting open and catching the ball. i
What? WR are definitely not force multiplier type players. They really don't "help" anything and I've never seen any claims that they help the OL. This is a new form of justification.
And we need to remember what Coach Smith said in his press conference about wanting to be a "power" running team......and then take shots in the passing game. Based on that I can't see them taking a WR that high.
now this would make more sense for more teams http://nflmocks.com/2014/01/06/2014-nfl-mock-draft-update-bcs-national-championship-edition/
no, passing on Robinson for Watkins makes no sense. People are always way too infatuated with WR's year in and year out (I think if we had a consensus message board pick we'd have drafted a WR every year for the last decade).
Just because people on here fall in love with receivers every year doesn't mean all receivers are bad picks. Some of them are really good.
Some are but they mostly don't change the fates of teams nor really do what people want them to do make an offense better. Look at all the great QBs and tell me about all the big time WRs on NE, NO, GB for example. They have some very productive WRs but that production is a function of a QB who is brilliant. Having a great WR won't make a bad QB good. Look at the top WRs and you see guys on WAS, PIT, HOU, TEN for example and none of those were dynamic passing attacks. Heck, 3 of those 4 teams were bad enough to fire their coaches. Our problem is that we don't even have competent WRs but we do not need to go overboard solving the problem.
dalbuc is right. I can't think of any teams that had worse receivers than us after the #1 and #2 slots. We need some legit NFL talent in here at the #3 and #4, not superstars, but guys that legitimately belong in the NFL.
dalbuc is right. I can't think of any teams that had worse receivers than us after the #1 and #2 slots. We need some legit NFL talent in here at the #3 and #4, not superstars, but guys that legitimately belong in the NFL.
...and that was the problem with all Dummynik teams.He'd place talent at certain positions , but leave others completely void and leave depth completely void. In short , he had no clue how to construct a complete and cohesive team.Dolorous Jason thinks at the very least the new regime is going to do a much better job of that.
now this would make more sense for more teams http://nflmocks.com/2014/01/06/2014-nfl-mock-draft-update-bcs-national-championship-edition/
no, passing on Robinson for Watkins makes no sense. People are always way too infatuated with WR's year in and year out (I think if we had a consensus message board pick we'd have drafted a WR every year for the last decade).
Just because people on here fall in love with receivers every year doesn't mean all receivers are bad picks. Some of them are really good.
Some are but they mostly don't change the fates of teams nor really do what people want them to do make an offense better. Look at all the great QBs and tell me about all the big time WRs on NE, NO, GB for example. They have some very productive WRs but that production is a function of a QB who is brilliant. Having a great WR won't make a bad QB good. Look at the top WRs and you see guys on WAS, PIT, HOU, TEN for example and none of those were dynamic passing attacks. Heck, 3 of those 4 teams were bad enough to fire their coaches. Our problem is that we don't even have competent WRs but we do not need to go overboard solving the problem.
Understood that WRs don't make bad QBs good, but if we're not using the #7 pick on a QB, we're essentially just stockpiling assets for whenever we do get a good QB. The Falcons had Roddy White for three years before they got Matt Ryan. As I've said before, I have more confidence in Watkins being a stud for 8-10 years than pretty much any other option.
dalbuc is right. I can't think of any teams that had worse receivers than us after the #1 and #2 slots. We need some legit NFL talent in here at the #3 and #4, not superstars, but guys that legitimately belong in the NFL.
Well and for this year once MW19 went down our 2 was total trash as well. We only had 2 players get more than 40 catches on our roster, the average is like 4.5. Our main issue is that we have two guys who are downfield "playmakers" more than great wide receivers. We need a guy who can get open on a slant for 3rd and 7 by beating coverage. I really think our "new" WR needs to be a guy who runs great routes, can get open. More Reggie Wayne than Randy Moss.
now this would make more sense for more teams http://nflmocks.com/2014/01/06/2014-nfl-mock-draft-update-bcs-national-championship-edition/
no, passing on Robinson for Watkins makes no sense. People are always way too infatuated with WR's year in and year out (I think if we had a consensus message board pick we'd have drafted a WR every year for the last decade).
Just because people on here fall in love with receivers every year doesn't mean all receivers are bad picks. Some of them are really good.
Some are but they mostly don't change the fates of teams nor really do what people want them to do make an offense better. Look at all the great QBs and tell me about all the big time WRs on NE, NO, GB for example. They have some very productive WRs but that production is a function of a QB who is brilliant. Having a great WR won't make a bad QB good. Look at the top WRs and you see guys on WAS, PIT, HOU, TEN for example and none of those were dynamic passing attacks. Heck, 3 of those 4 teams were bad enough to fire their coaches. Our problem is that we don't even have competent WRs but we do not need to go overboard solving the problem.
Understood that WRs don't make bad QBs good, but if we're not using the #7 pick on a QB, we're essentially just stockpiling assets for whenever we do get a good QB. The Falcons had Roddy White for three years before they got Matt Ryan. As I've said before, I have more confidence in Watkins being a stud for 8-10 years than pretty much any other option.
I think he will be good as well, I just don't think that stockpiling him adds much of an asset. There are only so many passes to go around. He might catch a lot of balls but he will do that makes catching passes that a Wright or MW19 would have caught. It is why adding a WR usually doesn't help offenses much because they just rearrange the distribution of yards not create new yards. I think there are other guys who will also be assets for years. Your argument is basically if everyone else sucks then Watkins is the best pick. Yes, that is true but you have to assume there are more than 7 players in this draft who can make a difference.
now this would make more sense for more teams http://nflmocks.com/2014/01/06/2014-nfl-mock-draft-update-bcs-national-championship-edition/
no, passing on Robinson for Watkins makes no sense. People are always way too infatuated with WR's year in and year out (I think if we had a consensus message board pick we'd have drafted a WR every year for the last decade).
Just because people on here fall in love with receivers every year doesn't mean all receivers are bad picks. Some of them are really good.
Some are but they mostly don't change the fates of teams nor really do what people want them to do make an offense better. Look at all the great QBs and tell me about all the big time WRs on NE, NO, GB for example. They have some very productive WRs but that production is a function of a QB who is brilliant. Having a great WR won't make a bad QB good. Look at the top WRs and you see guys on WAS, PIT, HOU, TEN for example and none of those were dynamic passing attacks. Heck, 3 of those 4 teams were bad enough to fire their coaches. Our problem is that we don't even have competent WRs but we do not need to go overboard solving the problem.
Understood that WRs don't make bad QBs good, but if we're not using the #7 pick on a QB, we're essentially just stockpiling assets for whenever we do get a good QB. The Falcons had Roddy White for three years before they got Matt Ryan. As I've said before, I have more confidence in Watkins being a stud for 8-10 years than pretty much any other option.
I think he will be good as well, I just don't think that stockpiling him adds much of an asset. There are only so many passes to go around. He might catch a lot of balls but he will do that makes catching passes that a Wright or MW19 would have caught. It is why adding a WR usually doesn't help offenses much because they just rearrange the distribution of yards not create new yards. I think there are other guys who will also be assets for years. Your argument is basically if everyone else sucks then Watkins is the best pick. Yes, that is true but you have to assume there are more than 7 players in this draft who can make a difference.
I think you also have to consider the new FO's long-term plans for the current guys. If Tedford's offense can't operate with 2 chuck n duck WRs on the outside, we might move on quickly from one or the other.
