because?The Bucs need to utilize the best weapon they have at their disposal - the franchise tag - and eliminate the bidding war on one of those guys.
If Licht uses the franchise tag on either of them, the Glazers should fire him on thot.
I think because they can work out much more cap-friendly deals than the tag
PR discusses. They will use it on Winfield because its cheap, not on Evans because his would be even higher than the league average and not on Mayfield because the cap hit could be so much lower.
You seem to be posting as if they need to use it to keep them, but what if that is not true?
Let’s not forget that the franchise tag carriers a penalty of sorts for the team - QB tag for Baker is $36m, for Mike it’s $20(ish)m, for AWJ it’s $14(ish)m - ALL of that would apply to/impact the 2024 cap hit.
IF the team uses it, it will be with the allowable cap hit in mind. If it’s used, $14m allows a lot more flexibility, and only one of those players won’t mind as much.
It’s a threat, but it’s one that carries an impact.
That’s the high end of ish…for Mike it’s $20(ish)m
It’s $28M
Makes the point even pointier though.
I mean, it's only a 40% difference.
Instead of signing Baker to a 3yr/$120(ish)m deal as you've eluded to, perhaps it should be more like 3yr/$72(ish)m.
You know, on the low end of ish...
because?
Because...it would be incredibly stupid. That's why.
Using the tag on any of the three players is not ideal.
Of course it's not ideal. But, it's the situation that we're in.
We have 2 players that Licht clearly wants to re-sign in Evans and Baker.
We also have 2 players (one now in AWJ and one next year in Wirfs) who will most likely completely reset the market at their respective positions.
It's also not ideal to have to outbid every other team in the NFL for a player who has hit free agency because he's a fan favorite.
With Winfield, then yes, that could completely be the case.
With Wirfs, then yes, that could completely be the cases.
It's not and won't be with Mike, and it sure as hell won't be the case with Baker.
It's why AWJ is the most likely (and obvious) tag candidate.
By using the threat of a tag you hope you can work out a more team friendly deal
You also run the risk of it looking like a complete slap in the face to a future ROH and Canton inductee, who's done nothing but sacrifice on and off the field. And, also run the risk of nothing long-term being worked out, or a possible hold out.
Not to mention the additional cap burden you just slapped the team with.
Well I guess we'll find out if PR is correct and Winfield gets the tag. But things usually don't go according to plan and it could get messy before its all over.because?The Bucs need to utilize the best weapon they have at their disposal - the franchise tag - and eliminate the bidding war on one of those guys.
If Licht uses the franchise tag on either of them, the Glazers should fire him on thot.
I think because they can work out much more cap-friendly deals than the tag
PR discusses. They will use it on Winfield because its cheap, not on Evans because his would be even higher than the league average and not on Mayfield because the cap hit could be so much lower.
You seem to be posting as if they need to use it to keep them, but what if that is not true?
I hear you. But when Evans and Mayfield make it known they want to be a package deal is that playing nice? The players want to create a bidding war, and I don't blame them, but the Bucs don't have to lay down and sacrifice their cap space and thereby sacrifice their ability to build a winning roster. The NFL negotiated the franchise tag option for a reason, so that they can avoid a bidding war for their most important players. and the players union agreed to that bargain. Evans is a class guy without a doubt, but he should stop letting the information out there that he will only stay if Mayfield is signed. That isn't playing fair if his top priority is remaining a Buccaneer.because?
Because...it would be incredibly stupid. That's why.
Using the tag on any of the three players is not ideal.
Of course it's not ideal. But, it's the situation that we're in.
We have 2 players that Licht clearly wants to re-sign in Evans and Baker.
We also have 2 players (one now in AWJ and one next year in Wirfs) who will most likely completely reset the market at their respective positions.
It's also not ideal to have to outbid every other team in the NFL for a player who has hit free agency because he's a fan favorite.
With Winfield, then yes, that could completely be the case.
With Wirfs, then yes, that could completely be the cases.
It's not and won't be with Mike, and it sure as hell won't be the case with Baker.
It's why AWJ is the most likely (and obvious) tag candidate.
By using the threat of a tag you hope you can work out a more team friendly deal
You also run the risk of it looking like a complete slap in the face to a future ROH and Canton inductee, who's done nothing but sacrifice on and off the field. And, also run the risk of nothing long-term being worked out, or a possible hold out.
Not to mention the additional cap burden you just slapped the team with.
Both players' agents will be trying everything they can to get their clients more money by spreading the idea that the bidding war is going on at a fever pitch, and whether that's real or not won't really be known. But it is going to get messy, messier than most Bucs fans think at this point. They think our wonderful Mr. Licht will tie this whole thing up in a bow in short order. It's not going to be that easy IMO.
It does bring the distinction more into focus, doesn’t it?That’s the high end of ish…for Mike it’s $20(ish)m
It’s $28M
Makes the point even pointier though.
I mean, it's only a 40% difference.
Instead of signing Baker to a 3yr/$120(ish)m deal as you've eluded to, perhaps it should be more like 3yr/$72(ish)m.
You know, on the low end of ish...
If they can sell the 3 @ $72m- it would be cool, for the Bucs.
But something tells me you’re on the wrong side of ish.
Wonder who’ll be closer?
It does bring the distinction more into focus, doesn’t it?That’s the high end of ish…for Mike it’s $20(ish)m
It’s $28M
Makes the point even pointier though.
I mean, it's only a 40% difference.
Instead of signing Baker to a 3yr/$120(ish)m deal as you've eluded to, perhaps it should be more like 3yr/$72(ish)m.
You know, on the low end of ish...
If they can sell the 3 @ $72m- it would be cool, for the Bucs.
But something tells me you’re on the wrong side of ish.
Wonder who’ll be closer?
Lol. There was no "ish".
You simply didn't know what Evans tag number was and had no idea what you were talking about.
You were basing it off the normal one, and didn't know that Evans' was significantly higher due to his prior year salary in relation to the tag.
When called out, you double downed. It's all good.
Relax, just giving you a hard time.
Licht has a nuclear option here... but he's not smart enough to use it.
Re-sign Winfield to a massive deal.
Tag Evans. I know the number is crazy. Do it.
Now Baker loses all his leverage. He's trying to pit him and Evans going back as package deal and if he doesn't get what he wants then they lose Evans too. Nope. Baker is worth a fraction of the numbers being floated around. TAKE AWAY HIS LEVERAGE.
Licht has a nuclear option here... but he's not smart enough to use it.
Re-sign Winfield to a massive deal.
Tag Evans. I know the number is crazy. Do it.
Now Baker loses all his leverage. He's trying to pit him and Evans going back as package deal and if he doesn't get what he wants then they lose Evans too. Nope. Baker is worth a fraction of the numbers being floated around. TAKE AWAY HIS LEVERAGE.
So you think they are locked in heated negotiations WITH ALL THREE, but its Mayfield who is holding everything up because he wants to get overpaid?
The guy who twice used the word "sacrifice?"
Licht has a nuclear option here... but he's not smart enough to use it.
Re-sign Winfield to a massive deal.
Tag Evans. I know the number is crazy. Do it.
Now Baker loses all his leverage. He's trying to pit him and Evans going back as package deal and if he doesn't get what he wants then they lose Evans too. Nope. Baker is worth a fraction of the numbers being floated around. TAKE AWAY HIS LEVERAGE.
So you think they are locked in heated negotiations WITH ALL THREE, but its Mayfield who is holding everything up because he wants to get overpaid?
The guy who twice used the word "sacrifice?"
lol baker derangement syndrome
Imagine having that much hate in your heart. Like if we somehow lose Evans because the Bucs didn’t want to sign him to a higher per year deal, JC going to rationalize that it was bakers fault even though the Bucs rather easily could have fit everyone in the cap.
baker derangement syndrome
LOL.
Who knows what the actual truth is at this moment about the contract negotiations, BUT we have The Athletic (Auman) writing that the negotiations are in "harmony" and were never expected to be resolved by now. We have PR posting that all is going as expected. We have Ronde Barber saying the same and that we have the space to get it done. And we have Baker Mayfield even mentioning contract "sacrifices."
And yet now Mayfield is not only a suspect QB (who threw 28TDs and led the team to round 2 of the playoffs) but he is also the "bad guy" in the contract talks and going to mess it up for everyone???
So today the most "vocal" Mayfield critics on the Red Board consist of a guy who is AFRAID to admit he wanted Mayfield benched in October (Biggs) and a "fotmer big money GM" (JC5100) who said Mayfield was worth ZERO during the season (then $10 million, then Geno $ . .)
thats . . probably . . just a . . coincidence tho
baker derangement syndrome
LOL.
Who knows what the actual truth is at this moment about the contract negotiations, BUT we have The Athletic (Auman) writing that the negotiations are in "harmony" and were never expected to be resolved by now. We have PR posting that all is going as expected. We have Ronde Barber saying the same and that we have the space to get it done. And we have Baker Mayfield even mentioning contract "sacrifices."
And yet now Mayfield is not only a suspect QB (who threw 28TDs and led the team to round 2 of the playoffs) but he is also the "bad guy" in the contract talks and going to mess it up for everyone???
So today the most "vocal" Mayfield critics on the Red Board consist of a guy who is AFRAID to admit he wanted Mayfield benched in October (Biggs) and a "fotmer big money GM" (JC5100) who said Mayfield was worth ZERO during the season (then $10 million, then Geno $ . .)
thats . . probably . . just a . . coincidence tho
im hearing grumblings that Mayfield whispered in Logan Hall's ear to take out Ryan Jensen back in 2022....and Baker wasn't even on the team yet!! what a bad bad man....
