I think Mayfield's QBR in the first Eagles game is probably sub 30? Was he THE reason we lost THAT game?
Or, perhaps more likely . . does his QBR reflect the way the game played out?
I think the Eagles had something like 75 OFFENSIVE plays, we probably have 40ish. One of those offense plays is an INTERCEPTION (driving down the QBR). That INT is definitely on Mayfield, but just pointing it out because it happens when he goes to his SECOND RECEIVER in the progression lol.
Anyway, no one says Mayfield is GREAT
Some says . . . be careful of stats without the context
How anyone can argue about Baker's capabilities after looking at these QBR's is beyond me
I think his description of Mayfield as "consistently inconsistent" is a fair one, but you have to tread lightly when math & stats come around lol.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/2
Baker Mayfield 2023 QBR: 54.4 (right with him are Carr, Burrow, Wilson, Murray etc)
Tom Brady 2022 QBR: 54.6
But, if thats not a stark enough example of how stats can be misleading without context, just think of the actual 2023 season. The Bucs finished 9-8 . . . so THE TEAM ITSELF is the very definition of inconsistency, right? Almost .500, even wins and losses, right?
That matters BECAUSE there are games in 2023 where the OUTCOME is STATISTICALLY at odds with Mayfield's QBR, right? In other words, we had losses where he has a terrible QBR . . but also losses where he has a good QBR.
Houston game he plays lights out. His QBR is close to 67, but it is a loss. Just one example
Well, math is not my strong suit, but Baker's average QBR for the 8 losses was 37.01, which is well below an average QBR. He may have had a decent QBR for one or two losses, but overall, when he played poorly the Bucs loss.
How anyone can argue about Baker's capabilities after looking at these QBR's is beyond me
I think his description of Mayfield as "consistently inconsistent" is a fair one, but you have to tread lightly when math & stats come around lol.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/2
Baker Mayfield 2023 QBR: 54.4 (right with him are Carr, Burrow, Wilson, Murray etc)
Tom Brady 2022 QBR: 54.6
But, if thats not a stark enough example of how stats can be misleading without context, just think of the actual 2023 season. The Bucs finished 9-8 . . . so THE TEAM ITSELF is the very definition of inconsistency, right? Almost .500, even wins and losses, right?
That matters BECAUSE there are games in 2023 where the OUTCOME is STATISTICALLY at odds with Mayfield's QBR, right? In other words, we had losses where he has a terrible QBR . . but also losses where he has a good QBR.
Houston game he plays lights out. His QBR is close to 67, but it is a loss. Just one example
Well, math is not my strong suit, but Baker's average QBR for the 8 losses was 37.01, which is well below an average QBR. He may have had a decent QBR for one or two losses, but overall, when he played poorly the Bucs loss.
Math is definitely NOT my strong suit either lol
And I am not really pointing out flawed math, I am pointing out that stats are less often used to illuminate truth than to make a point that the person making the point agrees with or believes already. Thats why CONTEXT is essential, a point that the Trask fans here JUST Made, right?
Mayfield just set a record as the first Bucs QB to throw for 300 yards and 3TDs in a playoff game. As some here would post., "that is a FACT."
What was the almost immediate and almost universal reply from Mayfield's critics?
"The Eagles cant tackle"
CONTEXT
If shortly after we signed Mayfield I posted on the Red Board, "Our starting QB will be Mayfield (not Trask ) and he will statistically outperform Tom Brady and leads us not only to the playoffs, but to a BIG victory in the playoffs . . SETTING A RECORD IN THE GAME" . . .
The response would be "drunk loon pyscho simpleton is trolling . . . again . .. and throwing in politics TOO"
That last part, wtf, but ROFLMAO. I mean, its the Red Board after all ...
Once we got past that though, hopefully the response would be a pretty steady stream of "I HOPE SO, but don't see it."
No one did. But here we are. Mayfield has been a HUGE part of that.
Well, math is not my strong suit, but Baker's average QBR for the 8 losses was 37.01, which is well below an average QBR. He may have had a decent QBR for one or two losses, but overall, when he played poorly the Bucs loss.
Yep.
And, the irony is that when the team wins, the Baker Bois are quick to say it was because of Baker.
Yet, when they lose, it's Canales, Bowles, the team, etc.
Look no further than a post in this thread:
"Baker won't struggle next week if Canales calls a good game"
Using that logic, we should just let Baker walk and draft Penix or Nix.
It would save us $20M+ per year and "They won't struggle if Canales calls a good game".
FWIW . .. pretty sure "Baker bros" FIRE was actually saying the opposite of that? I think he meant Baker needs the HELP of a good OC.
Could be wrong
Baker won't struggle next week if Canales calls a good game.
When Canales struggles, Baker isn't good enough to rescue him.
When Canales is on, he can make Baker look like a top 10 QB.
Well, math is not my strong suit, but Baker's average QBR for the 8 losses was 37.01, which is well below an average QBR. He may have had a decent QBR for one or two losses, but overall, when he played poorly the Bucs loss.
Yep.
And, the irony is that when the team wins, the Baker Bois are quick to say it was because of Baker.
Yet, when they lose, it's Canales, Bowles, the team, etc.
Look no further than a post in this thread:
"Baker won't struggle next week if Canales calls a good game"
Using that logic, we should just let Baker walk and draft Penix or Nix.
It would save us $20M+ per year and "They won't struggle if Canales calls a good game".
Y'all gotta stop cherry picking quotes... this shit is wild.
I'm saying Canales is the secret to Baker's success.
In fact, I believe most QBs success is 50/50 their talent and their OC ability to call a complete game.
Mahomes is amazing, but having Andy Reid his whole career certainly helps. You don't think Baker would find success under Reid?
Lamar, back to MVP form with better play calling.
Hurts, regressed because play calling was much worse.
Canales is the secret weapon. When he's on, Baker is on. When he's off, Baker is off...
Canales and Baker go hand and glove...
Does this make me a Baker bro? Lmfao
Y'all gotta stop cherry picking quotes... this shit is wild.
I'm saying Canales is the secret to Baker's success.
Then you should've worded it like this ^^^
Because that's certainly not what it reads as.
Y'all gotta stop cherry picking quotes... this shit is wild.
I'm saying Canales is the secret to Baker's success.
Then you should've worded it like this ^^^
Because that's certainly not what it reads as.
Dude cmon. You cherry picked again...
Canales and Baker are a marriage. It's like blaming the outcome of the kids on the mom but not the dad.
In this case the kids are the games.
They go together... this game we saw them click at the same time.
Versus Carolina we saw them struggle at the same time.
Detroit will be a good test...they have a strong run defense and a pretty bad secondary.
Will Canales revert back to putting Baker in 3rd and 7 after 2 runs to start the game, or will he keep Lions off balance?
Because AGAIN Baker is not good enough to carry us through 4 or 5 progressions every play to find someone open.
First or second read... get Baker some easy layups. Pass to set up the run. Build his confidence. Stay aggressive. Move the pocket.
Canales pitched a gem...hopefully he does it again.
Y'all gotta stop cherry picking quotes... this shit is wild.
I'm saying Canales is the secret to Baker's success.
Then you should've worded it like this ^^^
Because that's certainly not what it reads as.
Dude cmon. You cherry picked again...
Canales and Baker are a marriage. It's like blaming the outcome of the kids on the mom but not the dad.
In this case the kids are the games.
They go together... this game we saw them click at the same time.
Versus Carolina we saw them struggle at the same time.
Detroit will be a good test...they have a strong run defense and a pretty bad secondary.
Will Canales revert back to putting Baker in 3rd and 7 after 2 runs to start the game, or will he keep Lions off balance?
Because AGAIN Baker is not good enough to carry us through 4 or 5 progressions every play to find someone open.
First or second read... get Baker some easy layups. Pass to set up the run. Build his confidence. Stay aggressive. Move the pocket.
Canales pitched a gem...hopefully he does it again.
do better Baker Bros!!
Versus Carolina we saw them struggle at the same time.
No "we" didn't. "We" had trouble identifying when people were open and when they weren't.
Versus Carolina we saw them struggle at the same time.
No "we" didn't. "We" had trouble identifying when people were open and when they weren't.
Lol, Baker was worse than Canales but Canales was not good that game. Hilarious that you wanna die on this hill...
But if only Baker went to his 10th progression he would have found someone open!
That's not how the NFL works. You have an internal clock to throw it. The route combo that Baker was staring down wasn't open. Yes he should have checked back across to Otton. How many QBs can consistently do that? 5 or 6 maybe?
Baker isn't a top 10 QB so why would you expect him to see that with any consistency?
How many plays in the eagles game did Baker find his 4th or 5th options?
Baker is not good enough to carry us through 4 2 or 5 3 progressions every play to find someone open.
FIFY
That's not how the NFL works. You have an internal clock to throw it. The route combo that Baker was staring down wasn't open. Yes he should have checked back across to Otton. How many QBs can consistently do that? 5 or 6 maybe?
Baker isn't a top 10 QB so why would you expect him to see that with any consistency?
Canales even noted his own struggles . . but then that becomes "coach speak" because the POINT is to argue, not to discuss
