if he does this correctly then the first or second read in that part of the field should be open within 3 seconds on most of the plays they run.
Okay so there are a few posters here who likes to claim the benefit of film (Fire alludes to this above). In one such instance it was claimed that Mayfield failed to see "Palmer running wide open." The timing of the play was identified, so I posted a link to the video of the actual play. Palmer is FIELD SIDE and CLEARING OUT A CB for a short route combo of Evans and Godwin. Effectively, he is not in the play.
The play is 100% going to Godwin, its a play we have run for years. Its over in a couple seconds. However, in this play Mayfield correctly pre-snap reads MAN cover (defender following motion) and MAN is perfect for the play called. That is his CORRECT pre-snap read. At the snap though the defenders drop into zone so Godwin's route is taking him right to the MLBs arms. Mayfield continues OUT on to the PLAY SIDE read, which is Otton. That is EXACTLY what mayfield is supposed to do, but it was described as "Mayfield missed a wide open Palmer
Considering the fact that we are running a different offense than the last few years (Arians runs a choice route offense - this is not a choice route offense), your statement can't be correct. And Mayfield should know where all of his receivers are going. If they dropped into a zone on whatever play you are describing, and Palmer is likely to get wide open, the QB should know that and should consider that has an option in his progression. Since I don't know which play you are talking about, if Otton is crossing the same area and becomes open, then he's likely earlier in the progression, but I don't know which play you are talking about. The best QB's will know, though, if they have a money shot available and will often pull of the read progression and go for it all.
Considering the fact that we are running a different offense than the last few years (Arians runs a choice route offense - this is not a choice route offense), your statement can't be correct.
It is. I understand they are different offenses. Evans and other receivers clearing out for Godwin is hardly a patent protected play and yes Mayfield goes to his second read which is of course the other PLAY SIDE receiver.
As I pointed out then, when Brady was at QB and it was AB and not Palmer in a similar one on one position, you might see Brady check the play pre-snap to go to AB one on one. Mayfield is NOT typically making changes like that. He does not have AB and he is NOT the GOAT playing with a paper shuffling lackey OC. He is mostly playing within the confines of the offense. Godwin 1st (he saw the defense change and didn't throw the ball) and went to his second progression. EXACTLY what he was supposed to do
The POINT was the absurd "he had an open receiver" claim. Palmer was never even in the play as scripted and completed in about 2-3 seconds. It was the RIGHT call and Mayfield even adjusted when it did not work out.
Considering the fact that we are running a different offense than the last few years
This is the biggest thing that intentionally gets ignored by some on here.
Those same people are the ones who take every chance they can get to compare Baker's stats from this year to Brady's last year.
Obviously, they are the same people who will be quick to call out the talent differential in skill-set players, O-Line, etc. when you bring up Brady's 1st year with Tampa vs. Baker's 1st year with Tampa.
And, naturally, they're also the ones who disingenuously ignore the difference in offensive coordinators over the last 2 seasons.
Every play is designed for a primary and secondary receiver. Here's the part of the puzzle you don't seem to understand or want to acknowledge.
Of course they don't.
They're literally arguing that the "Otton Play" was a 4th or 5th read, while crying in a separate thread that "nobody" knows what the read progression is.
This offense (like every one) has a primary route and secondary route (which can include a 3rd or 4th read), along with a checkdown (which has primarily been White/Edmonds/Occasional TE).
Ironically enough, someone tweeted around Week 8 or 9, analytics on QB's and their dependency vs. EPA on 1st reads.
Baker was ranked somewhere between #6-#8 in most throws to their 1st read. His EPA was right around league average.
_______________
Can Baker get past his 1st read? Yes. (though the tape and analytics say he has issues getting off it).
Does he do it consistently and effectively? The numbers (and film) say otherwise.
Do I think he can improve (in all aspects) with tutelage from Canales? Absolutely.
I'm hoping that another offseason in this system pays dividends for Baker.
I'm hoping another offseason with Baker gives Canales more confidence in his QB.
Most importantly, I'm hoping that this offseason provides time for both to grow and develop at their respective positions.
love the way the ball moves
”baker can’t read defenses or go through progressions … Palmer is running wide open”
POST A PLAY SHOWING MAYFIELD CORRECTKY READ THE DEFENSE AND EVEN ADJUST
”he can read some defense, just not consistently”
POST A PLAY SHOWING MAYFIELD GO TO HIS 2nd option…AND PALMER ON THE FIELD SIDE
“loon”
”weirdo”
”simpleton”
lol
love the way the ball moves
”baker can’t read defenses or go through progressions … Palmer is running wide open”
POST A PLAY SHOWING MAYFIELD CORRECTKY READ THE DEFENSE AND EVEN ADJUST
”he can read some defense, just not consistently”
POST A PLAY SHOWING MAYFIELD GO TO HIS 2nd option…AND PALMER ON THE FIELD SIDE
“loon”
”weirdo”
”simpleton”
lol
I have no idea why anyone seriously engages this ignoramus.
love the way the ball moves
”baker can’t read defenses or go through progressions … Palmer is running wide open”
POST A PLAY SHOWING MAYFIELD CORRECTKY READ THE DEFENSE AND EVEN ADJUST
”he can read some defense, just not consistently”
POST A PLAY SHOWING MAYFIELD GO TO HIS 2nd option…AND PALMER ON THE FIELD SIDE
“loon”
”weirdo”
”simpleton”
lol
I have no idea why anyone seriously engages this ignoramus.
I prefer his takes to you or DH personally attacking people.
to each their own though.
Got it so by this logic Baker should never miss and Canales should just expect every single play for Baker to adjust the play he's called in.
Canales is without blame because no matter what Baker should identity and adjust.
Guys, I think we found the problem in the offense being inconsistent... we just need to sign Peyton Manning from 10 years ago.
Simple...
There's no read order in this offense... so we need a top 3 QB to run it or else we are fed up with the QB.
Totally... that makes a ton of sense.
Canales should just expect every single play for Baker to adjust the play he's called in.
All teams watch film, obviously. One tendency that opposing defenses picked up an and exploited (Saints on) is that we don’t do well when it’s a trenches battle.
another defensive tactic that you can see clear as day and it relates to the play called (Canales) and to a lesser extent the presnap read (Mayfield) is the defense showing man but dropping into zone at the snap. Canales even alludes to it in one of the post games because (his example) we threw a screen that was totally blown because the defense was showing man, but then playing zone.
NOTHING in football is SINGULAR. Everything is connected. Of course Canales performance impacts the offense. How could it impact the offense WITHOUT impacting the QB?
The very essence of Canales offense is making it easier for ….. the QB. He’s not asking our QB to make complex reads and progressions to 4th and 5th receivers. Drop, back foot … throw. That’s not underperformance by Mayfield it’s expected performance.
Apparently he is... he's designing plays so Baker can spend 6 seconds in the pocket going through progressions one after another.
Baker is slow to process... in fact 80% of QBs struggle to process and go through reads. That's why we have elite QBs and average QBs.
And some elite QBs don't process quickly but they have elite athleticism and go backyard football when they need to (Allen and Jackson for example).
I find it ironic that a certain group of posters who all of a sudden want to “break everything down” in regards to this year’s OC, had ZERO problems putting the majority of everything last year on the QB.
Weird…
Wut? I put 90% of it on Lefty last year. He was so freaking bad.
Wut? I put 90% of it on Lefty last year. He was so freaking bad.
Not you, bro.
Ok thank you... because we both agree canales is 10x better than Lefty.
Ok thank you... because we both agree canales is 10x better than Lefty.
I feel like I do a decent job of letting you know when I'm not referring to you. And, that stands true with this, as I know you were very vocal about your disdain for Lefty.
That being said, you can go back in a few threads from yesterday and see the same 2 dumbasses literally acting as if he didn't even exist last year.
All while taking their usual potshots at Brady, acting as if he wouldn't have tossed 35-40 TD's in this year's offense and Baker throwing 25-30 INT's in Lefty's last year.
