I couldn't care less about any of them
I couldn't care less about any of them
yeah but an interesting concept
i think many asked that about Brady and Belichick as well
i would tend to air on the side of the talent/QB than i would a head coach
Now if Harbaugh would have went to a more Super Bowl ready team like say Buffalo, then maybe it would be a more evenly contested match.
Giants have been pretty shit. Made the playoffs with a todd bowles like 9 wins back in 2022 but before that haven't made playoffs since 2016 season and before that 2011 when they won it all. So very limited success in the 14 years since Super Bowl win.
Maybe Harbaugh makes the Giants more respectable and maybe a fringe playoff team; if he is able to do that call it perennial playoff team, that would be quite impressive given where they have been.
Jesse Minter? ehh. yeah im sure Lamar is going to listen to him.
I couldn't care less about any of them
Me either. I was more focused on the dynamic, a successful team takes a slight step back and splinters so which move is best.
Jackson should win that battle in the short term, but that is not guaranteed because sometimes the shift in power works against the freed QB (Bucs 2022).
Not a fan or follower of either team though
Neither.
Harbaugh's tenure in Baltimore had become stale. He also was saddled with a QB that is a stellar athlete but a SFB at QB (that's Sh** For Brains for all you wondering what SFB is). I expect the usual clowns that defend Lamar begin the greatest to pop their heads out any moment now. And I will again say look at his playoff record and watch his games before you start talking. I will even go on record to say Lamar will not ever win a championship and when/if I am wrong, I will eat the crow that goes along with it.
On the Giants side of things, I am never in favor of a head coach completely running the whole show. There are levels and job responsibilities that clash with a head coaches role and rarely (if ever) is successful. I think Harbaugh is a way better coach than many give him credit for, but he has set himself up for colossal failure in New York.
I agree that the Head Coach in charge of everything is not good. Similar to the QB having all the power. Teams are better when everyone is accountable to someone.
My money is big time Jackson>>>>Harbaugh
I think Harbaugh is a good coach tho and will make the giants better. He just won't get over the hump
yes, who is more likely; clearly the Ravens who are a much better team as well as Jackson being a much better QB than Dart
Lamar is 29. Not saying these are comparable but just some other examples:
Cam Newton was garbage in his age 30 season on, retired after age 32 season
Michael Vick had a resurgence with the Eagles in his age 30 season, but turned to crap in age 32 season, back-up after that and retired after age 35 season.
Russell Wilson was good until age 33 season, turned to crap after that bouncing around teams, still playing at age 37
Donovan McNabb was good until age 33 season, sort of fell off after that, retired after age 35 season
So let's say Lamar has got another 5 good years in him. Then likely after age 33 season takes a hit. He basically has 5 years to get it done.
but if given the options
1 - Neither win the Superbowl during Lamar's playing career
2 - Lamar wins it
3 - Harbaugh wins it
i'd probably go with option 1
EDIT: But clearly would suggest Ravens have a better chance than Giants; dont think i like their head coaching hire too much tho.
The problem with this argument, aside from the odd choice of naming a bunch of black QBs, is that Lamar is a far better pocket passer than the other QBs.
You know who else was a scrambling QB? Steve Young, John Elway.
Steve Young won at 33. Weird no mention.
John Elway was 37/38. Weird no mention.
You know who else was a scrambling QB? Steve Young, John Elway.
Steve Young won at 33. Weird no mention.
John Elway was 37/38. Weird no mention.
Young and Elway weren't "scrambling" QB's. They were pocket passers who could run. The most rushing attempts for them in any one season was 76 and 66, respectively. They didn't take the beating that Jackson, Newton, etc. took.
Compare and contrast that with 176 for Jackson, 139 for Newton, and 123 for Vick. Jackson & Newton routinely carried the ball over 100 times a year. Hell, Jackson averaged over 144 carries for his first seven years. To put that into perspective, Rachaad White had 132 carries this season. Those dudes were taking a lot of hits, and it hurt their longevity. People who watched Baltimore every game this season have noted that Jackson hasn't looked as fast and quick as he has in the past. It's already hitting him.
You know who else was a scrambling QB? Steve Young, John Elway.
Steve Young won at 33. Weird no mention.
John Elway was 37/38. Weird no mention.
Young and Elway weren't "scrambling" QB's. They were pocket passers who could run. The most rushing attempts for them in any one season was 76 and 66, respectively. They didn't take the beating that Jackson, Newton, etc. took.
Compare and contrast that with 176 for Jackson, 139 for Newton, and 123 for Vick. Jackson & Newton routinely carried the ball over 100 times a year. Hell, Jackson averaged over 144 carries for his first seven years. To put that into perspective, Rachaad White had 132 carries this season. Those dudes were taking a lot of hits, and it hurt their longevity. People who watched Baltimore every game this season have noted that Jackson hasn't looked as fast and quick as he has in the past. It's already hitting him.
Lmfao if you literally google best scrambling QB Steve Young is one of the first names that comes up... And he played in an era where he was considered two-way..his career ended with a scramble.
Randall Cunningham averaged 48 carries a year (granted that's diluted due to late career and injuries). Everyone would call him a scrambling QB.
Newton def took a beating with his style but Lamar doesn't take a ton of big hits.
But let's get back to the QBs listed. You think Russell Wilson is more of a scrambling QB than Steve Young? Cmon... We all watched them play.
McNabb same deal... Take the exact same definition you used for Steve Young or John Elway... They just played in a different era.
Jackson isn't getting hurt from big hits. He pulled his hammy. And as I said, he's a good pocket passer. One of the best usually.
It's an asinine argument to think Jackson can't be successful unless he runs 120 times a year. Of course that number will come down..that's the case with ALL QBs.
I mean hell, Baker is averaging 60/year attempts with us. I don't think he's a scrambling QB but that speaks to the evolution of the game.
More and more offensive possession. More and more scrambling QBs, particularly early in their career.
Elway's most iconic play is a scramble in the super bowl.
Young and Elway weren't "scrambling" QB's. They were pocket passers who could run
also known as . . . scrambling
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"A quarterback (QB) scramble is an improvised, unplanned move where a quarterback escapes pressure behind the line of scrimmage, moving laterally, forward, or backward to avoid a sack"
100% correct. And what do all of those QBs have in common? Not one of them ever won the SB. Their careers are cut short. They all were phenomenal athletes coming into the league. None of them were/have been elite enough to win the big game.You know who else was a scrambling QB? Steve Young, John Elway.
Steve Young won at 33. Weird no mention.
John Elway was 37/38. Weird no mention.
Young and Elway weren't "scrambling" QB's. They were pocket passers who could run. The most rushing attempts for them in any one season was 76 and 66, respectively. They didn't take the beating that Jackson, Newton, etc. took.
Compare and contrast that with 176 for Jackson, 139 for Newton, and 123 for Vick. Jackson & Newton routinely carried the ball over 100 times a year. Hell, Jackson averaged over 144 carries for his first seven years. To put that into perspective, Rachaad White had 132 carries this season. Those dudes were taking a lot of hits, and it hurt their longevity. People who watched Baltimore every game this season have noted that Jackson hasn't looked as fast and quick as he has in the past. It's already hitting him.
Randall Cunningham averaged 48 carries a year (granted that's diluted due to late career and injuries). Everyone would call him a scrambling QB.
Yeah, that's a pretty diluted number. If you just look at the seven seasons when he was Philly's starter and played most of the games, he averaged 87 carries a year. Because of the beating he took, his rushing attempts dwindled quite a bit towards the end of his career. This is kinda the point.
I mean hell, Baker is averaging 60/year attempts with us. I don't think he's a scrambling QB but that speaks to the evolution of the game.
Baker is mobile, but 60 ain't 144. Lamar runs it a lot.
But you're right. The game has evolved with more mobile QB's around the league. I would differentiate mobile QB's (Young, Elway, Wilson, McNabb) who can plays outside of the pocket on broken plays from the scrambling QB's like Jackson & Newton who look to get out and run. Those dudes ran it and ran it a lot.
I would also say you're minimizing the beating Jackson has taken. He did not have the same explosiveness this season that he has had in seasons past. You disagree?
Randall Cunningham averaged 48 carries a year (granted that's diluted due to late career and injuries). Everyone would call him a scrambling QB.
Yeah, that's a pretty diluted number. If you just look at the seven seasons when he was Philly's starter and played most of the games, he averaged 87 carries a year. Because of the beating he took, his rushing attempts dwindled quite a bit towards the end of his career. This is kinda the point.
I mean hell, Baker is averaging 60/year attempts with us. I don't think he's a scrambling QB but that speaks to the evolution of the game.
Baker is mobile, but 60 ain't 144. Lamar runs it a lot.
But you're right. The game has evolved with more mobile QB's around the league. I would differentiate mobile QB's (Young, Elway, Wilson, McNabb) who can plays outside of the pocket on broken plays from the scrambling QB's like Jackson & Newton who look to get out and run. Those dudes ran it and ran it a lot.
I would also say you're minimizing the beating Jackson has taken. He did not have the same explosiveness this season that he has had in seasons past. You disagree?
Agreed with all of this... To answer your question on Jackson beating he's slowed up because of age imo. I'm sure hits played a factor but watching Newton and Josh Allen run vs Vick and Jackson... Completely different styles.
I don't recall Jackson missing much time due to a hit (from memory)... I'd have to Google it..I just think hammy injury comes with age. Quick twitch slow decline. Coaches advise him to stay in the pocket..his ability to develop as a pocket passer....those are the function in addition to contact.
his ability to develop as a pocket passer
He is damn good in the pocket. This is why Harbaugh wasting his earlier years is so damning. Lamar is a rare bird.