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his ability to develop as a pocket passer

He is damn good in the pocket.  This is why Harbaugh wasting his earlier years is so damning.  Lamar is a rare bird. 

This post is laughable as is your lovefest for a very mediocre QB that just happens to be an exceptional athlete. Come talk to me when Lamar can actually play in a Super Bowl first, and win won second. It's not ever going to happen.

 


 
Posted : Jan. 26, 2026 9:13 pm
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Everyone has a recency bias because of one year 

I've only talked about his performances in the playoffs. 

A sub-85 QB rating, 13 total touchdowns and 11 total turnovers in 8 games (3-5 record).


 
Posted : Jan. 26, 2026 9:27 pm
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Pretty easy to test the theory that a designed run QB has a shorter productive output.  IIRC hes drafted with 4 or 5 other QBs including Mayfield? If that's right there a bunch of direct comparison including to Allen who maybe has some designed runs.

He's drafted a couple years later but what about a pocket passer like Burrow.  He's been out a bit

 

what is there % of games played


 
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Posted by: @firebowles2026

his ability to develop as a pocket passer

He is damn good in the pocket.  This is why Harbaugh wasting his earlier years is so damning.  Lamar is a rare bird. 

This post is laughable as is your lovefest for a very mediocre QB that just happens to be an exceptional athlete. Come talk to me when Lamar can actually play in a Super Bowl first, and win won second. It's not ever going to happen.

 

But he's proven he can be a pocket passer. Wtf are you talking about "exceptional athlete". These are all exceptional athletes. You think Drake Maye and Sam Darnold aren't exceptional athletes that were drafted top3? 

 


 
Posted : Jan. 26, 2026 9:35 pm
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Everyone has a recency bias because of one year 

I've only talked about his performances in the playoffs. 

A sub-85 QB rating, 13 total touchdowns and 11 total turnovers in 8 games (3-5 record).

My very strong opinion about Jackson and Allen is when you play with sub par WRs, the QB who can carry a team during the regular season now is forced to do too much and presses.

Jackson in particular has seen his weapons shit the bed in critical moments... Dropping passes, fumbling into the end zone, etc 

Everyone remembers the stats but Josh Allen hit Cooks (a laughable wr1) on an out route and he couldn't get a 2nd foot inbounds then hit him with a deep ball and he couldn't hold on to the ball. What is Josh Allen supposed to do, throw the ball to himself?

Both of these great QBs rely on their legs and have had shitty weapons. In the playoffs it becomes damn near impossible to carry a team that way unless you're Mahomes being gifted calls left and right and even then he has sure handed Kelce.

 


 
Posted : Jan. 26, 2026 9:40 pm
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his ability to develop as a pocket passer

He is damn good in the pocket.  This is why Harbaugh wasting his earlier years is so damning.  Lamar is a rare bird. 

This post is laughable as is your lovefest for a very mediocre QB that just happens to be an exceptional athlete. Come talk to me when Lamar can actually play in a Super Bowl first, and win won second. It's not ever going to happen.

 

But he's proven he can be a pocket passer. Wtf are you talking about "exceptional athlete". These are all exceptional athletes. You think Drake Maye and Sam Darnold aren't exceptional athletes that were drafted top3? 

 

Look, I know you are all in your feels about Bowles and are one of the two that come to mind when I speak about Jackson's ineptitude at the QB position. He hasn't shown a dang thing except he folds like a cheap suit when the games matter most. You can blame it on his supporting cast if you'd like but he has NOT proven he can be a pocket passer at all. 

And in comparison to Lamar's physical gifts, no, Maye and Darnold are not exceptional athletes but they have been far better QB's than your boy Mushmouth this season. That is why they are still playing and Lamar isn't.

 


 
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his ability to develop as a pocket passer

He is damn good in the pocket.  This is why Harbaugh wasting his earlier years is so damning.  Lamar is a rare bird. 

This post is laughable as is your lovefest for a very mediocre QB that just happens to be an exceptional athlete. Come talk to me when Lamar can actually play in a Super Bowl first, and win won second. It's not ever going to happen.

 

But he's proven he can be a pocket passer. Wtf are you talking about "exceptional athlete". These are all exceptional athletes. You think Drake Maye and Sam Darnold aren't exceptional athletes that were drafted top3? 

 

Look, I know you are all in your feels about Bowles and are one of the two that come to mind when I speak about Jackson's ineptitude at the QB position. He hasn't shown a dang thing except he folds like a cheap suit when the games matter most. You can blame it on his supporting cast if you'd like but he has NOT proven he can be a pocket passer at all. 

And in comparison to Lamar's physical gifts, no, Maye and Darnold are not exceptional athletes but they have been far better QB's than your boy Mushmouth this season. That is why they are still playing and Lamar isn't.

 

I'm sorry do you have me confused with someone else or are you just full tilt retarded?

Jackson's ineptitude is it?

Proven he can't be a pocket passer?

You're just saying stupid shit for attention or what?

Yes, Jackson has objectively played worse in the playoffs but he's been THE ENTIRE TEAM. His weapons consistently drop passes and fumble the ball over and over. Jackson compounds it by trying to do too much just like Allen. You saying Josh Allen isn't a pocket passer too or is this retarded take strictly a Jackson awful take? 

 


 
Posted : Jan. 26, 2026 11:25 pm
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Whatever the injury risk, Jackson is 29 or 30? He's going to need pocket passing.  Maybe Harbaugh thought it was the right time to move on, turn into a deal like the Giants


 
Posted : Jan. 27, 2026 11:42 am
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Whatever the injury risk, Jackson is 29 or 30? He's going to need pocket passing.  Maybe Harbaugh thought it was the right time to move on, turn into a deal like the Giants

He already has pocket passing. He's top 5 in the league. 

 

Lamar Jackson has developed into an elite pocket passer, consistently ranking among the NFL's best in passing efficiency. He posted a 103.8 pocket passer rating in 2023, maintained a 97.9 rating from 2018–2022, and often ranks top-5 in the league in passing, silencing critics who labeled him as only a rushing threat. 

 

• Elite Rating: Jackson's pocket passer rating (103.8) in 2023 placed him among the top performers in the league, including leading in multiple efficiency metrics. 

• Historical Performance: Data from 2018–2022 showed a 97.9 passer rating from the pocket. 

• High Completion Percentage: Jackson has maintained a 64.8% completion rate from the pocket over his career, ranking among the top quarterbacks. 

• Efficiency: He is considered one of the most efficient passers in NFL history when throwing from the pocket. 

• 2025 Standing: As of late 2025, Jackson was among the league leaders in passer rating while, at the same time, becoming the NFL's all-time leader in career rushing yards by a quarterback. [1, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]  

 

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[1]  https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-pocket-passer-rating-leaders

[2]  https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQfHgkckgyV/

[3]  https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/yq5rud/does_lamar_jackson_have_the_potential_to_be_a/

[4]  https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLv2/comments/1iqdigq/where_does_lamar_rank_as_a_pocket_passer_in_the/

[5]  https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/lamar-jackson-nfl-career-passer-rating-leader-aaron-rodgers-ravens-browns-week-2-2025

[6]  https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/highest-qb-rating-from-pocket-career

[7]  https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/12kw827/barnwell_espn_has_passer_rating_in_the_pocket/

[8]  https://www.facebook.com/WoodwardSports/posts/lamar-jackson-is-not-a-running-qbhe-is-one-of-the-most-efficient-passers-in-the-/1728691824740566/

[9] https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/lamar-jackson-michael-vick-rushing-passing-ravens-hard-kno

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Interested to see what changes (if anything) with a new OC


 
Posted : Jan. 27, 2026 1:36 pm
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He's def gonna sit in the pocket more... As he should since he's so good.

They need to get him a true wr1 but I doubt they find it. If I'm them I go after Evans.


 
Posted : Jan. 27, 2026 4:40 pm
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If I'm them I go after Evans.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

lol

 

I would be incredibly surprised if he ever played anywhere other than here.


 
Posted : Jan. 27, 2026 8:04 pm
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his ability to develop as a pocket passer

He is damn good in the pocket.  This is why Harbaugh wasting his earlier years is so damning.  Lamar is a rare bird. 

This post is laughable as is your lovefest for a very mediocre QB that just happens to be an exceptional athlete. Come talk to me when Lamar can actually play in a Super Bowl first, and win won second. It's not ever going to happen.

 

But he's proven he can be a pocket passer. Wtf are you talking about "exceptional athlete". These are all exceptional athletes. You think Drake Maye and Sam Darnold aren't exceptional athletes that were drafted top3? 

 

Look, I know you are all in your feels about Bowles and are one of the two that come to mind when I speak about Jackson's ineptitude at the QB position. He hasn't shown a dang thing except he folds like a cheap suit when the games matter most. You can blame it on his supporting cast if you'd like but he has NOT proven he can be a pocket passer at all. 

And in comparison to Lamar's physical gifts, no, Maye and Darnold are not exceptional athletes but they have been far better QB's than your boy Mushmouth this season. That is why they are still playing and Lamar isn't.

 

I'm sorry do you have me confused with someone else or are you just full tilt retarded?

Jackson's ineptitude is it?

Proven he can't be a pocket passer?

You're just saying stupid shit for attention or what?

Yes, Jackson has objectively played worse in the playoffs but he's been THE ENTIRE TEAM. His weapons consistently drop passes and fumble the ball over and over. Jackson compounds it by trying to do too much just like Allen. You saying Josh Allen isn't a pocket passer too or is this retarded take strictly a Jackson awful take? 

 

You say he's been the entire team in their playoff appearances....that statement in and of itself shows your level of ignorance. Since you don't have a clue what you are talking about, let me help you:

  • 2020 Wild Card against the Titans - Hollywood Brown had 7 catches and 109 yards while consistently torching the Titan defense but that was all Lamar.
  • 2020 Wild Card against the Titans - JK Dobbins had a go ahead TD run for the Ravens with 43 yards rushing against the Titans defense but that was all Lamar.
  • 2020 Wild Card against the Titans - Marcus Peters sealed the game by intercepting Ryan Tannehill but that was all Lamar.
  • 2024 Divisional against the Texans - Isaiah Likely had 2 TD catches in place of Mark Andrews but that was all Lamar.
  • 2024 Divisional against the Texans - Zay Flowers had over 100 yards receiving/rushing but that was all Lamar.
  • 2024 Divisional against the Texans - Ravens Defense held Houston to 10 but that was all Lamar.
  • 2025 AFC Championship against the Chiefs - Zay Flowers again with 5 catches, 115 yards, and a TD but that was all Lamar.
  • 2025 Wild Card against the Steelers - Derrick Henry had more than 150 yards rushing but that was all Lamar.
  • 2025 Wild Card against the Steelers - Rashod Bateman had multiple drive sustaining receptions and a key TD but that was all Lamar.
  • 2025 Divisional against the Bills - Mark Andrews with multiple drive sustaining and clutch receptions but that was all Lamar.
  • 2025 Divisional against the Bills - Justin Madubuike had multiple pressures and a sack disrupting the Bills offense all game long but that was all Lamar.

So you can go on continuing to think that he's an "elite" pocket passer meanwhile the stats and when it matters most will show the world a different story. Lamar in the playoffs career:

  • A very "not elite" 84.6 QBR
  • 10 TDs to 7 INTs
  • 29 sacks for 183 yards

The stats do not lie. He's average at best in the playoffs and nowhere near elite level. If he was, he would have a Lombardi by now.

 


 
Posted : Jan. 27, 2026 8:20 pm
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So you can go on continuing to think that he's an "elite" pocket passer meanwhile the stats and when it matters most will show the world a different story.

The stats literally say something different and you're just naming random stats.

Like wtf am I supposed to do with JK Dobbin go ahead rushing TD? But you also say Hollywood Brown but those are two different games. You must have a typo because 2020 ravens beat titans 20-13 and Lamar 16 carries for 136 (8.5 /carry) and a 44 yard TD.

You think Ravens win that without Lamar? Pointing out Hollywood stat line is hilarious.

And you're conflating two things.

Lamar is a great pocket passer.

Lamar has played worse in the playoffs than the regular season.

Both of these things are true... But you cherry picking plays/stats in the playoffs is stupid. I'm not gonna go through all those. I know Lamar has regressed in the playoffs but I also know they don't get there without him and his supporting cast stinks... 


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Posted : Jan. 27, 2026 9:04 pm
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Lamar Jackson has a 3-5 record in 8 career playoff games, totaling 1,753 passing yards, 10 touchdowns, and 7 interceptions with an 84.6 passer rating, according to StatMuse ( https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lamar-jackson-stats-in-the-playoff-stats). He has added 641 rushing yards and 3 touchdowns on the ground, though he has also struggled with 6 lost fumbles, notes Reddit ( https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1i5i9z3/profootballreference_career_playoff_stats_lamar/). [1, 2, 3, 4]  

Key Playoff Statistics (Career) 

 

• Record: 3-5 

• Passer Rating: 84.6 

• Passing Yards: 1,753 

• Touchdowns (Pass/Rush): 10 Passing / 3 Rushing 

• Turnovers (INT/Fumbles): 7 Interceptions / 6 Lost Fumbles 

• Completion Percentage: 57.4% [1, 2, 5, 6, 7]  

 

Performance Trends 

 

• Recent Form (2020–2025): In his last 6 playoff games, Jackson has shown improved performance, with a 94.0 passer rating, 1,194 yards, 7 TDs, and 4 INTs, according to StatMuse ( https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lamar-jackson-playoff-stats-2020-to-2025).  

• Rushing Impact: He is a major threat on the ground in the postseason, averaging over 80 rushing yards per game in his 8 appearances, according to StatMuse. 

• Vs. Regular Season: Jackson's passer rating is lower in the playoffs (75.7) compared to his regular-season mark (98.0), and his completion percentage drops from 64.5% to 57.4%, notes NBC Sports. 

• Notable Games: Jackson secured his first win in the 2020 Wild Card against Tennessee and delivered a strong 4-TD performance (passing and rushing) in the 2023 Divisional round against Houston, say www.sportingnews.com ( https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/baltimore-ravens/news/lamar-jackson-playoff-record-stats-wins-ravens-qb-nfl-career/1a77b71a696399cc1985cff1). [3, 5, 6, 8, 9]  

 

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[1]  https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lamar-jackson-stats-in-the-playoff-stats

[2]  https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1i5i9z3/profootballreference_career_playoff_stats_lamar/

[3]  https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lamar-jackson-playoff-stats-rushing

[4]  https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1i5g1ps/lamar_jacksons_playoff_stats_so_far_in_his_career/

[5]  https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/lamar-jacksons-passing-numbers-get-worse-in-the-playoffs-every-year

[6]  https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/baltimore-ravens/news/lamar-jackson-playoff-record-stats-wins-ravens-qb-nfl-career/1a77b71a696399cc1985cff1

[7]  https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lamar-jackson-playoff-win-loss-record

[8]  https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/lamar-jackson-playoff-stats-2020-to-2025

[9] https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLv2/comments/1momy1a/lamar_jacksons_pl

ayoff_stats_under_his_two/

 


 
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