It's partially due to that and the fact that we have zero ability in FA to be competitive.
The team signed contracts that valued over $400M in 2024’s offseason.
What a hilariously disingenuous way to put it lmfao.
You're referencing a bunch of players resigned....many of which you could easily argue have been bad contracts.
Baker - good contract
Evans - ok contract if you ignore him missing this year
Breadson - meh
Winfield - wildly underperformed since his deal
McCollum - awful contact
Godwin - awful but necessary contact
Nelson - good context
David - bad contract on a washed player
Trask - lol
None of this screams "improving the team with cap space"
We signed Vildor, JPP, Hall, Gaines, Dixon... WOW we really made a run at it like the Patriots!
Disingenuous? It’s reality. The salary cap didn’t prevent the team from handing out over $400M worth of contracts that offseason. Am I making that up? Or did the team hand out those contacts?
They clearly had the ability to be active in FA. You can argue about the players (you left off Wirfs) and the contract amounts all you want. But you can’t argue that the team didn’t hand out over $400M worth of contracts. The salary cap didn’t stop them.
Well first off let's talk in terms of per year not total spent... That just makes it silly.
Licht spent money keeping the roster together. He didn't ADD anything to the roster because he's been trying to get out of dead cap hell.
The outside players we brought in are a fucking joke.
And while I understand many of the resigning we made, the reality is the doubled down on the current roster and didn't try to improve it.
If he wanted to improve it he wouldn't have given McCollum a premature contract. He wouldn't have signed David over other options at LB.
Reddick was a decent swing but in hindsight it made sense that 10m to a guy that sat out a year to play in Japan didn't work out.
So did the salary cap prevent the Buccaneers giving out $400M in contracts that offseason or not?
They could have given those contracts outside FA’s if they chose to do so. But they did not.
I swear this stuff gives you an erection
It's partially due to that and the fact that we have zero ability in FA to be competitive.
The team signed contracts that valued over $400M in 2024’s offseason.
What a hilariously disingenuous way to put it lmfao.
You're referencing a bunch of players resigned....many of which you could easily argue have been bad contracts.
Baker - good contract
Evans - ok contract if you ignore him missing this year
Breadson - meh
Winfield - wildly underperformed since his deal
McCollum - awful contact
Godwin - awful but necessary contact
Nelson - good context
David - bad contract on a washed player
Trask - lol
None of this screams "improving the team with cap space"
We signed Vildor, JPP, Hall, Gaines, Dixon... WOW we really made a run at it like the Patriots!
Disingenuous? It’s reality. The salary cap didn’t prevent the team from handing out over $400M worth of contracts that offseason. Am I making that up? Or did the team hand out those contacts?
They clearly had the ability to be active in FA. You can argue about the players (you left off Wirfs) and the contract amounts all you want. But you can’t argue that the team didn’t hand out over $400M worth of contracts. The salary cap didn’t stop them.
Well first off let's talk in terms of per year not total spent... That just makes it silly.
Licht spent money keeping the roster together. He didn't ADD anything to the roster because he's been trying to get out of dead cap hell.
The outside players we brought in are a fucking joke.
And while I understand many of the resigning we made, the reality is the doubled down on the current roster and didn't try to improve it.
If he wanted to improve it he wouldn't have given McCollum a premature contract. He wouldn't have signed David over other options at LB.
Reddick was a decent swing but in hindsight it made sense that 10m to a guy that sat out a year to play in Japan didn't work out.
So did the salary cap prevent the Buccaneers giving out $400M in contracts that offseason or not?
They could have given those contracts outside FA’s if they chose to do so. But they did not.
I swear this stuff gives you an erection
Disingenuous? It’s reality. The salary cap didn’t prevent the team from handing out over $400M worth of contracts that offseason
It is REALITY that you are dishonest AF.
The salary cap does not measure CONTRACTS HANDED OUT because NFL contracts handed out are mostly multi-year and have varying amounts assigned to bonuses and game salary over a number of those years.
The salary cap is NOT A MEASURE OF CONTRACTS HANDED OUT OVER YEARS.
The salary cap is ONLY a limit on the ANNUAL commitment of those contract for a given year
AND YES the salary cap absolutely impacted the Bucs FA plans BECAUSE, for example, they had about $43 million of their 2025 cap committed to NON-roster players like Shaq Barrett and Ryan Jensen. That money could have gone to ROSTER PLAYERS (ie free agents that would help the 2025 team)
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/tampa-bay-buccaneers
Biggs, you're not smart enough to play games with words :-)
It's partially due to that and the fact that we have zero ability in FA to be competitive.
The team signed contracts that valued over $400M in 2024’s offseason.
What a hilariously disingenuous way to put it lmfao.
You're referencing a bunch of players resigned....many of which you could easily argue have been bad contracts.
Baker - good contract
Evans - ok contract if you ignore him missing this year
Breadson - meh
Winfield - wildly underperformed since his deal
McCollum - awful contact
Godwin - awful but necessary contact
Nelson - good context
David - bad contract on a washed player
Trask - lol
None of this screams "improving the team with cap space"
We signed Vildor, JPP, Hall, Gaines, Dixon... WOW we really made a run at it like the Patriots!
Disingenuous? It’s reality. The salary cap didn’t prevent the team from handing out over $400M worth of contracts that offseason. Am I making that up? Or did the team hand out those contacts?
They clearly had the ability to be active in FA. You can argue about the players (you left off Wirfs) and the contract amounts all you want. But you can’t argue that the team didn’t hand out over $400M worth of contracts. The salary cap didn’t stop them.
Well first off let's talk in terms of per year not total spent... That just makes it silly.
Licht spent money keeping the roster together. He didn't ADD anything to the roster because he's been trying to get out of dead cap hell.
The outside players we brought in are a fucking joke.
And while I understand many of the resigning we made, the reality is the doubled down on the current roster and didn't try to improve it.
If he wanted to improve it he wouldn't have given McCollum a premature contract. He wouldn't have signed David over other options at LB.
Reddick was a decent swing but in hindsight it made sense that 10m to a guy that sat out a year to play in Japan didn't work out.
So did the salary cap prevent the Buccaneers giving out $400M in contracts that offseason or not?
They could have given those contracts outside FA’s if they chose to do so. But they did not.
I swear this stuff gives you an erection
I’ll take that as a “No, the salary cap didn’t prevent not prevent the Buccaneer from giving out $400M in contracts that offseason.”
Because that is reality.
It's partially due to that and the fact that we have zero ability in FA to be competitive.
The team signed contracts that valued over $400M in 2024’s offseason.
What a hilariously disingenuous way to put it lmfao.
You're referencing a bunch of players resigned....many of which you could easily argue have been bad contracts.
Baker - good contract
Evans - ok contract if you ignore him missing this year
Breadson - meh
Winfield - wildly underperformed since his deal
McCollum - awful contact
Godwin - awful but necessary contact
Nelson - good context
David - bad contract on a washed player
Trask - lol
None of this screams "improving the team with cap space"
We signed Vildor, JPP, Hall, Gaines, Dixon... WOW we really made a run at it like the Patriots!
Disingenuous? It’s reality. The salary cap didn’t prevent the team from handing out over $400M worth of contracts that offseason. Am I making that up? Or did the team hand out those contacts?
They clearly had the ability to be active in FA. You can argue about the players (you left off Wirfs) and the contract amounts all you want. But you can’t argue that the team didn’t hand out over $400M worth of contracts. The salary cap didn’t stop them.
Well first off let's talk in terms of per year not total spent... That just makes it silly.
Licht spent money keeping the roster together. He didn't ADD anything to the roster because he's been trying to get out of dead cap hell.
The outside players we brought in are a fucking joke.
And while I understand many of the resigning we made, the reality is the doubled down on the current roster and didn't try to improve it.
If he wanted to improve it he wouldn't have given McCollum a premature contract. He wouldn't have signed David over other options at LB.
Reddick was a decent swing but in hindsight it made sense that 10m to a guy that sat out a year to play in Japan didn't work out.
So did the salary cap prevent the Buccaneers giving out $400M in contracts that offseason or not?
They could have given those contracts outside FA’s if they chose to do so. But they did not.
I swear this stuff gives you an erection
I’ll take that as a “No, the salary cap didn’t prevent not prevent the Buccaneer from giving out $400M in contracts that offseason.”
Because that is reality.
It didn't prevent the Bucs from back loading contracts to currently rostered players.
We didn't improve our roster we just paid more for he same older roster.
Unless of course you think 10m to watching Diaper David run limp around was a good deal.
Are you saying with a straight face that the dead cap didn't hinder Licht's ability to build the roster?
Are you saying with a straight face that the dead cap didn't hinder Licht's ability to build the roster?
The Cap in general and dead cap money hinders every GM’s. But it doesn’t prevent Licht from handing out those large contracts. He just decided on using it for internal players instead of external players. I’m not approving the strategy, I’m saying he wasn’t as hamstrung as it has been made out on this board - largely as making excuses for Bowles by his (not you) leghumpers.
Are you saying with a straight face that the dead cap didn't hinder Licht's ability to build the roster?
The Cap in general and dead cap money hinders every GM’s. But it doesn’t prevent Licht from handing out those large contracts. He just decided on using it for internal players instead of external players. I’m not approving the strategy, I’m saying he wasn’t as hamstrung as it has been made out on this board - largely as making excuses for Bowles by his (not you) leghumpers.
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Disingenuous? It’s reality. The salary cap didn’t prevent the team from handing out over $400M worth of contracts that offseason
It is REALITY that you are dishonest AF.
The salary cap does not measure CONTRACTS HANDED OUT because NFL contracts handed out are mostly multi-year and have varying amounts assigned to bonuses and game salary over a number of those years.
The salary cap is NOT A MEASURE OF CONTRACTS HANDED OUT OVER YEARS.
The salary cap is ONLY a limit on the ANNUAL commitment of those contract for a given year
AND YES the salary cap absolutely impacted the Bucs FA plans BECAUSE, for example, they had about $43 million of their 2025 cap committed to NON-roster players like Shaq Barrett and Ryan Jensen. That money could have gone to ROSTER PLAYERS (ie free agents that would help the 2025 team)
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/tampa-bay-buccaneers
Biggs, you're not smart enough to play games with words :-)
Yes the Bucs were in cap jail but Licht chose to resign a lot of the older players and it did not work out. But I think the Bucs do another youth movement push in 2026.
Disingenuous? It’s reality. The salary cap didn’t prevent the team from handing out over $400M worth of contracts that offseason
It is REALITY that you are dishonest AF.
The salary cap does not measure CONTRACTS HANDED OUT because NFL contracts handed out are mostly multi-year and have varying amounts assigned to bonuses and game salary over a number of those years.
The salary cap is NOT A MEASURE OF CONTRACTS HANDED OUT OVER YEARS.
The salary cap is ONLY a limit on the ANNUAL commitment of those contract for a given year
AND YES the salary cap absolutely impacted the Bucs FA plans BECAUSE, for example, they had about $43 million of their 2025 cap committed to NON-roster players like Shaq Barrett and Ryan Jensen. That money could have gone to ROSTER PLAYERS (ie free agents that would help the 2025 team)
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/tampa-bay-buccaneers
Biggs, you're not smart enough to play games with words :-)
Yes the Bucs were in cap jail but Licht chose to resign a lot of the older players and it did not work out. But I think the Bucs do another youth movement push in 2026.
That doesn't mean the dead cap didn't play a big role.
I'm not a Licht homer and I've said he's done some bonehead shit over 12 years and he's a rare gm that gets 12 years to make it all work.
But you cannot deny that the past 4 years he's been patiently working his way out of dead cap hell and next year we are sitting pretty with cap space.
That's a strategy... Do I fully agree with it? No... I think we had an opportunity to make a run this year if Licht wanted to bolster the defense via FA. Philips for a third then let him walk essentially gets you a free player then a comp pick to make up for it... Or you resign him.
He went with Reddick which in hindsight made total sense that it flopped. He took a year off.
So he made mistakes... And he compounded those mistakes by staying the course...
But the dead cap was a huge factor too
you cannot deny that the past 4 years he's been patiently working his way out of dead cap hell
you can if you are Biggs, lol . . . "$400 million in contracts."
Licht chose to resign a lot of the older players and it did not work out.
Which "older players" should he have not signed?
I am asking because its one thing to say that as sort of an academic exercise, but hopefully you'd agree another thing entirely if for example the list includes LVD, Evans, Godwin?
Licht chose to resign a lot of the older players and it did not work out.
Which "older players" should he have not signed?
I am asking because its one thing to say that as sort of an academic exercise, but hopefully you'd agree another thing entirely if for example the list includes LVD, Evans, Godwin?
David. It's not that we resigned him it's the amount he received for his age. Taking the vet minimum or going to the practice squad would be excellent but he threw 20m and David and Reddick and their production was abysmal.
Licht chose to resign a lot of the older players and it did not work out.
Which "older players" should he have not signed?
I am asking because its one thing to say that as sort of an academic exercise, but hopefully you'd agree another thing entirely if for example the list includes LVD, Evans, Godwin?
David. It's not that we resigned him it's the amount he received for his age. Taking the vet minimum or going to the practice squad would be excellent but he threw 20m and David and Reddick and their production was abysmal.
I get your point with Reddick.
On David my guess is they were not looking at David like Dean II, meaning someone the Bucs should only keep for a much more cap-friendly deal. David's status as a would-be HOFer means he was never going to not get signed and never going to get worked on his $.
For example, if the Bucs came out now and said "we will sign Evans for '26" and they do not get the deal done and Evans says later "I could still play but I retired because they refused to pay me any more than the vet minimum . . ". The fans base would explode.
So, thats why I asked Alldaway because there are veterans guys who, in an academic sense, Licht could have not signed in 2025. but that list must get really small when you make it conform with reality. The Bucs got limited value from the Godwin contract, the Bucs were still right to sign him as they did etc etc
Licht chose to resign a lot of the older players and it did not work out.
Which "older players" should he have not signed?
I am asking because its one thing to say that as sort of an academic exercise, but hopefully you'd agree another thing entirely if for example the list includes LVD, Evans, Godwin?
David. It's not that we resigned him it's the amount he received for his age. Taking the vet minimum or going to the practice squad would be excellent but he threw 20m and David and Reddick and their production was abysmal.
I get your point with Reddick.
On David my guess is they were not looking at David like Dean II, meaning someone the Bucs should only keep for a much more cap-friendly deal. David's status as a would-be HOFer means he was never going to not get signed and never going to get worked on his $.
For example, if the Bucs came out now and said "we will sign Evans for '26" and they do not get the deal done and Evans says later "I could still play but I retired because they refused to pay me any more than the vet minimum . . ". The fans base would explode.
So, thats why I asked Alldaway because there are veterans guys who, in an academic sense, Licht could have not signed in 2025. but that list must get really small when you make it conform with reality. The Bucs got limited value from the Godwin contract, the Bucs were still right to sign him as they did etc etc
We trying to win or cement legacies.
Godwin and David are legacy contracts.
Licht chose to resign a lot of the older players and it did not work out.
Which "older players" should he have not signed?
I am asking because its one thing to say that as sort of an academic exercise, but hopefully you'd agree another thing entirely if for example the list includes LVD, Evans, Godwin?
David. It's not that we resigned him it's the amount he received for his age. Taking the vet minimum or going to the practice squad would be excellent but he threw 20m and David and Reddick and their production was abysmal.
I get your point with Reddick.
On David my guess is they were not looking at David like Dean II, meaning someone the Bucs should only keep for a much more cap-friendly deal. David's status as a would-be HOFer means he was never going to not get signed and never going to get worked on his $.
For example, if the Bucs came out now and said "we will sign Evans for '26" and they do not get the deal done and Evans says later "I could still play but I retired because they refused to pay me any more than the vet minimum . . ". The fans base would explode.
So, thats why I asked Alldaway because there are veterans guys who, in an academic sense, Licht could have not signed in 2025. but that list must get really small when you make it conform with reality. The Bucs got limited value from the Godwin contract, the Bucs were still right to sign him as they did etc etc
We trying to win or cement legacies.
Godwin and David are legacy contracts.
Well, the owners of the team own a brand. Winning is probably the #1 to elevate that brand, but it is NOT the only way so I think the answer is both
If oneactually believes the Glazers hired Bowles for the optics then how could the same n ot beleive they enter into contracts for legacy etc, also brand
