Brady is done , he kills a few drives a game with his dirt balls , and his severe lack of movement back there
just curious what do you see our record without him last year and say gabbert ?
Call it what you want I guess. It's my opinion. But I'll tell you this. If Tom Brady himself thought he could still win a Super Bowl, he would not be retired. He's not retiring because of other people's opinions.Brady was not able to manufacture offense when the situation was less than ideal, and if you can't do that then you aren't any better than any garden variety QB out there.
LOL, definitely not bias
Call it what you want I guess. It's my opinion. But I'll tell you this. If Tom Brady himself thought he could still win a Super Bowl, he would not be retired. He's not retiring because of other people's opinions.Brady was not able to manufacture offense when the situation was less than ideal, and if you can't do that then you aren't any better than any garden variety QB out there.
LOL, definitely not bias
So you're moving the ball. Now by mind reading Brady
Above you compare Brady to "any garden variety QB out there" and earlier you compared him UNFAVORABLY to Andy Dalton.
I am saying that is a CRAZY conclusion to come up with even going off last year. In fact, above you say that "Brady was not able to manufacture offense when the situation was less than ideal," but last year he brought the Bucs back to win (btw, that is ONE . . just one of MANY. . statistics where he is head an shoulders the GOAT . .and Andy Dalton is "garden variety" in comparison) and he did so on several occasions.
Just sits clear, its a team sport so is Tom Brady "[un]able to manufacture offense" when he throws the ball into the end zone to a wide open receiver who drops it? What about if he looked off the safety to get that receiver open in the EZ?
Pretty sure comebacks (with a shit team), looking guys open, delivering the ball to Scotty Millers chest in the EZ . . that's all MANUFACTURING offense. The Bucs were a BAD team last year . . bad . . Brady was not his best but top suggest he LESSER than a "garden variety" QB is asinine . . and probably why you retreated to being the Amazing Kresken
I don't think Brady would have quit if he thought he could win another Superbowl. Opinion? Yes. Out of the box crazy opinion? No.
I don't think Brady would have quit if he thought he could win another Superbowl. Opinion? Yes. Out of the box crazy opinion? No.
Where we started: “Brady less than garden variety QB because he couldn’t manufacture offense”
where we are now: “Brady doesn’t think he could win a SB because he retired”
sincerely, The Amazing Kreskin
Actually I said if he can't elevate a team he's not better than a garden variety QB. I didn't say he was a garden variety QB and I didn't say he was worse than one. Yes there is a difference. Look Brady was on a team that was supposed to be contending for a Superbowl, and they went 8-9. Brady was a party to that. My opinion isn't ridiculous. What's ridiculous is to not give Brady any accountability for the sinking of the Bucs in 2023. If you are the 49ers or the Dolphins or Ravens are you signing Brady to be your starting QB after last season? The press had a field day with all their speculation, because speculating about Brady is exciting. They didn't stop to check if any contending team actually wanted to sign him. That's not what the NFL fans want to hear. He wouldn't have taken them anywhere besides barely sliding into the playoffs and one and done. And a garden variety QB can do that on a contending team. I'm not shifting my opinion. And you might want to cut and paste your quotes next time to make sure you get it right.I don't think Brady would have quit if he thought he could win another Superbowl. Opinion? Yes. Out of the box crazy opinion? No.
Where we started: “Brady less than garden variety QB because he couldn’t manufacture offense”
where we are now: “Brady doesn’t think he could win a SB because he retired”
sincerely, The Amazing Kreskin
He wouldn't have taken them anywhere besides barely sliding into the playoffs and one and done. And a garden variety QB can do that on a contending team.
The takes just get worse and worse each time he tries to backpedal.
Lolz…
He wouldn't have taken them anywhere besides barely sliding into the playoffs and one and done. And a garden variety QB can do that on a contending team.
The takes just get worse and worse each time he tries to backpedal.
Lolz…
1) First, I recognize that making things too complicated is probably not a good idea on this board. So that's why I'm putting numbers on the points.
2) I have not talked to Tom Brady, nor am I part of Brady's inner circle, nor am I a mind reader. I am just a garden variety fan entitled to my opinion.
3) IMO if Brady thought he could win another Super Bowl with any team he'd be shopping around. After 2023 he knows as well as anyone that he can't. He could hire a kitten assistant.
3) Brady is not a "garden variety" QB, but the 2024 version of Brady would be no better than a garden variety QB such as Andy Dalton. In other words, Brady would not be a top 20 QB in 2024 regardless of what team he played for.
4) If I was a contending team in 2024 and I had to choose between Brady at $30 million and Dalton at $3 million I wouldn't hesitate to go with Dalton.
That's about as simplified as I can make it for you.
1) First, I recognize that making things too complicated is probably not a good idea on this board. So that's why I'm putting numbers on the points.
For your own sake, that’s a good idea.
Lol.
2) I have not talked to Tom Brady, nor am I part of Brady's inner circle, nor am I a mind reader. I am just a garden variety fan entitled to my opinion.
Wow. Didn’t know this.
Thanks for the clarification.
3) IMO if Brady thought he could win another Super Bowl with any team he'd be shopping around. After 2023 he knows as well as anyone that he can't. He could hire a kitten assistant.
Hmm…you might want to refer to your previous “statement”.
3) Brady is not a "garden variety" QB, but the 2024 version of Brady would be no better than a garden variety QB such as Andy Dalton.
Oh boy. Back to the shit takes.
Can you explain this? Especially considering the 2023 version of Brady was VASTLY superior than the 2023 version of…checks notes again…Andy Dalton.
4) If I was a contending team in 2024 and I had to choose between Brady at $30 million and Dalton at $3 million I wouldn't hesitate to go with Dalton.
If that’s the case, you wouldn’t be a contending team.
That's about as simplified as I can make it for you.
Lol. Thanks for simplifying your god-awful take.
Appreciate the time and effort you put into it.
My opinion isn't ridiculous. What's ridiculous is to not give Brady any accountability for the sinking of the Bucs in 2023.
The strawman and the bias, rolled together. Thank goodness you exist to hold that damn QB accountable
(I posted an article on here during the season pointing out Brady's negative contribution to the offense BUT that does not mean that he is lesser to Dalton or "garden variety" lol.)
On the substance of your LATEST opinion, his role in the "sinking of the Bucs in 2023." you're basically making him the EARLY version of Leftwich, meaning he sunk an otherwise talented team. LOL You don't even get him to "he could not OVERCOME the problems."
The 2023 version of the Buccaneers could NOT run . . at all . . had no underneath passing game for most of the season with no Gronk, no Godwin and no AB and as a result faced mostly deep shell covers that took away Evans.
Team sport.
Brady fired the ball out quickly. He became the "point guard" to get a bad team to the playoffs.
In the playoff, the Cowboys absolutely MAN HANDLED OUR DEFENSE going 65, 90, 96 and 81 yards for touchdowns in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.
Brady should've tackled better
Can you explain this? Especially considering the 2023 version of Brady was VASTLY superior than the 2023 version of…checks notes again…Andy Dalton.
I did explain it. I referred to the team records vs. the preseason expectations. Dalton took a team to 7-10 that was expected to go 7-10. Brady took a team to 8-9 that was expected to go 13-4. I referred to the QB ratings of Brady, which was 18 and Dalton which was 21. There's nothing vast about that difference. It's fair to expect that since Brady is another year older and has declining skills he would drop from 18 to below 20. Dalton is 35, not a young pup, but given the state of QBs in this league he would still probably be around that 20 to 25 range.
Oh, forgot to mention we all were thinking he'd turn it on for the playoffs. He fell flat. If you think Brady is vastly superior, you are just living in a dream world, granted there are a lot of people living in that same dream world. Doesn't make you any more right.
Brady took the Bucs to an 8-9 record, and there's no reason to think he will be able to take a team to the promised land any more than Andy Daulton could.
Trask, you keep acting like you're not on a back pedal from your own CHOICE so just making sure this is here.
The Bucs were the WORST team in the playoffs and yet you take that performance to say there is "NO REASON" (your argument, not mine) that he'd outperform Andy Dalton (your choice, not mine)
You are now at .. "accountability" lmao
I did explain it. I referred to the team records vs. the preseason expectations.
Got it.
So, this is your method of evaluating QB play.
Thanks. This might be the dumbest thing I’ll read all month.
If you think Brady is vastly superior, you are just living in a dream world
Never mind. I’d like to retract my previous statement.
This one is.
Can you explain this? Especially considering the 2023 version of Brady was VASTLY superior than the 2023 version of…checks notes again…Andy Dalton.
I did explain it. I referred to the team records vs. the preseason expectations.
Logically speaking . . this (in bold) is surrender
Its the Java argument "they were top 2 to go to the Super Bowl" . . . (in March) . .. "the Bucs underperformed ergo Brady lesser than Dalton"
Aristotle laughs from the ashes
Trask, I am embarrassed for you
