I guess you don't have your own opinion.
True. I’m known for not being very opinionated.
You may not have started the thread, but that's the thread about which we are talking and about which you are arguing, Biggs.
So, to be clear, you think everyone who posts in any given thread agrees with it’s premise? Sweet Geebus, Professor. I haven’t posted one thing about getting younger.
I’ve told you, and then repeated, my opinion to you multiple times. I’m not responsible for you not being able to grasp what is being discussed.
No, dude, but if you disagree with someone who is disagreeing with the premise, you are defacto agreeing with the premise. That's all you've done on this thread. I don't keep track of what different people have said on different threads over the years in any comprehensive way. I'm not going back to research your opinions on other threads. If you have an opinion on the topic of this thread, post it on this thread. All you've done is criticize my opinion, not form one of your own. If I'm disagreeing with the OP and you are disagreeing with me, I have to assume you agree with the OP unless you post your own third opinion whatever that might be. I have no idea based on what you've posted here.
No, dude, but if you disagree with someone who is disagreeing with the premise, you are defacto agreeing with the premise. That's all you've done on this thread.
lolz
I don't keep track of what different people have said on different threads over the years in any comprehensive way. I'm not going back to research your opinions on other threads.
So far, this approach has you building strawman and looking even more like a clueless ass. Proceed how you like, but I'd recommend a change of course.
If you have an opinion on the topic of this thread, post it on this thread. All you've done is criticize my opinion, not form one of your own. If I'm disagreeing with the OP and you are disagreeing with me, I have to assume you agree with the OP unless you post your own third opinion whatever that might be. I have no idea based on what you've posted here.
I gave you my opinion in this very thread:
I didn't and don't know how many or who will be gone, and never claimed to. What I did know months ago, when you were telling everyone those players (including the guy who was just cut) were "locked in for 2023", that some of them would be gone. You pushed back with "contracts are facts" and other nonsense that has now come back to bite you.
And then reposted when your dumbass said started building your first strawman:
I didn't and don't know how many or who will be gone, and never claimed to. What I did know months ago, when you were telling everyone those players (including the guy who was just cut) were "locked in for 2023", that some of them would be gone
You'll notice there is nothing in there about making wholesale changes or getting younger. Read. Comprehend. Read again if necessary, Professor.
This will be my last post about your inability to comprehend what is being discussed. I'll only post again if another member of "locked for 2023" group or one of the other players you claimed are "all coming back" for 2023 is gone. I'm guessing this won't be my last post in this thread.
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some of them would be gone
"some". Great. That's sticking your neck out. That could be two or nine when it comes to that group. My main point - I was pushing back against people who were saying we need major changes to this team, implying wholesale changes are on the way. My point was that there wouldn't be major changes to the core of the team. So I guess if two out of those nine are gone, then I'm wrong. You will win in your mind. But I won't be wrong about my main point. We shall see how that goes.
Bucs need to use this year to get out of bad contracts: White, Jensen, Gage, maybe Mason, Succop. That's getting younger by default. If Barrett can pass a physical past June 1st they should dump him too but they won't.
I'll only post again if another member of "locked for 2023" group or one of the other players you claimed are "all coming back" for 2023 is gone. I'm guessing this won't be my last post in this thread.
Back for more cherry-picking, as yet another member of the "all coming back" band is gone. Nunez-Roches has agreed to a deal with the NYG.
I don't think you can call it a rebuild when the 10 highest paid players not named Brady will be back: Godwin, Vea, Barrett, Smith, Evans, Davis, Jensen, David, Gage, Mason. D. White, Fournette, Wirfs, Succop, Tryon, Nunez-Roches, Hall, Gabbert, Winfield, Goedeke, Trask, R. White, Nunez-Roches, Hainsey, Vaughn, Wirfs, Otton, Camarda, McCollum, Kieft, Dean (franchise tag). All coming back.
Possibly losing: Brady, David, Hicks, Jones, Gholston, Brate, Rudolph, Bunting, Neal, Edwards, Nelson, but we may keep half of those.
So I'd say the turnover will be minimal. Same HC, same GM. You can't call 2023 a rebuild IMO.
"Don't shoot the messenger"
The Bucs will make some roster changes, but not major ones with the top players ... other than QB. They can't. I'm just the messenger. You can choose to believe me or not. That's your deal. It's just the facts.
Shaq Mason was just traded, Professor. I'm not sure how though, because you told everyone he was in the "All Coming Back" group. I thought you were just a messenger handing out facts to the masses?
To keep everyone abreast of the "All Coming Back" group that is - so far - not coming back:
Donovan Smith
Shaq Mason
Leonard Fournette
Rakeem Nunez-Roches
I have to give myself as well as Biggs credit for calling it. Biggs said the Bucs will make "some" changes this offseason, and like every team every year in the history of the NFL, that's what they did. You nailed it, Biggs!They'll get younger when Brady moves on. Let's see, take off about 20 years spread over the other 7 guys. That puts the average age down to about 28. There ya go! Problem solved!
But the devil is in the details. Brady will still count $35 mil against the cap from deferred money, so cap problem not solved. And the top nine other players are locked into contracts and can't be cut without significant cap hits. Godwin, Evans, Barrett, Davis, Smith, Vea, Jensen, Gage, and White, all locked in for 2023. Of those, who do you want to get rid of? Don't even bother answering. It doesn't matter, because you can't get rid of them.
Smith is about the only one where there's some wiggle room. You could take an $8 mil cap hit to dump his $18 mil contract. Then go find another left tackle for $10 mil. That's one guy.
But the fact is we're stuck with the same core of players for next year, which isn't a bad thing because other than Smith, who do we really want to get rid of from that group? Those are the best players on the team, not a bunch of dead weight.
But if you're idea is to strip it down, bring in a bunch of young guys and tank the season for a high draft pick.... that won't happen.
As for me, I was also right on the money. They kept all their main players except Smith, as I stated they would. Not only did Licht stick with the players with guaranteed money. He also went a step furhbrought back players we didn't think they could bring back in Nelson, David, and Dean. That was surprising. The Bucs are not rebuilding, reloading, rebooting, or retooling. They are running it back with basically the same group with only a few minor changes.
I think this team is tired of being thought of as the Brady's Bunch.
The Bucs think the 2023 team will be better without Brady than with him. Why do I say that? It's implied because Licht would not have decided to run it back with this group if he didn't think the team believed in itself, if he didn't think the team could win. If Licht thought his players were demoralized, dispirited, overwhelmed or disorganized he wouldn't have been making the moves he's been making to retain the vast majority of the players on this team. Licht has the pulse of the team, and he's going all in with the team he has. Will he turn out to be right? That's another story. Only time will tell.
@Trask Force
He wouldn't release Jensen and Gage because it would admit he wasted valuable cap room in Brady's last year. He wouldn't trade White because it would admit he blew the #5 pick.
@Trask Force
He wouldn't release Jensen and Gage because it would admit he wasted valuable cap room in Brady's last year. He wouldn't trade White because it would admit he blew the #5 pick.
JC, I disagree about Licht's motives. His primary goal is to build a winning team. If he sacrificed that goal to save face on those players you mentioned, he'd be shooting himself in the foot. He's smarter than that. If the team wins he gets the credit. If they lose, he gets the blame. His actions speak louder than words. Licht believes in the players he's assembled and he's sticking with them. That doesn't mean he's right. That doesn't mean the Bucs will win. I'm not saying that. I'm not making predictions.
As for me, I was also right on the money.
It’s just the facts. You are just the messenger.
The Bucs think the 2023 team will be better without Brady than with him. Why do I say that? It's implied because Licht would not have decided to run it back with this group if he didn't think the team believed in itself, if he didn't think the team could win. If Licht thought his players were demoralized, dispirited, overwhelmed or disorganized he wouldn't have been making the moves he's been making to retain the vast majority of the players on this team. Licht has the pulse of the team, and he's going all in with the team he has. Will he turn out to be right? That's another story. Only time will tell.
lmao wow
@Trask Force
He wouldn't release Jensen and Gage because it would admit he wasted valuable cap room in Brady's last year. He wouldn't trade White because it would admit he blew the #5 pick.
JC, I disagree about Licht's motives. His primary goal is to build a winning team. If he sacrificed that goal to save face on those players you mentioned, he'd be shooting himself in the foot. He's smarter than that. If the team wins he gets the credit. If they lose, he gets the blame. His actions speak louder than words. Licht believes in the players he's assembled and he's sticking with them. That doesn't mean he's right. That doesn't mean the Bucs will win. I'm not saying that. I'm not making predictions.
Is it really true, though? He has some voodoo on the Glazers.
8-24 with Lovie. Licht survives.
19-29 with Koetter. Licht survives.
7-9 with BA. Winston confirmed bust. Licht survives.
So at this point heading into the Brady off-season Licht has the worst body of work of any GM in the league and should be fired. 6 seasons, no playoffs, losing record with 3 head coaches and a #1 overall bust. Did he convince the Glazers he could get Brady? Probably. It happened and we caught fire for 2 years. Amazing football. But when it was time to re-tool he couldn't do it. Add a #5 overall bust to it. Then he has the audacity to get on that podium and say he'd do that off-season all over again and anyone who has a problem with it can come to his house and see his ring. This team went 8-9 with Brady pulling 4 games out of his ass and Licht is up there like he's Ozzie Newsome. When this thing goes in the toilet, which it 100% will this year, Bowles will be fired and Licht will survive. Guaran-fucking-teed. He has the Glazers convinced it's always the coaches fault.
The Bucs think the 2023 team will be better without Brady than with him. Why do I say that? It's implied because Licht would not have decided to run it back with this group if he didn't think the team believed in itself, if he didn't think the team could win. If Licht thought his players were demoralized, dispirited, overwhelmed or disorganized he wouldn't have been making the moves he's been making to retain the vast majority of the players on this team. Licht has the pulse of the team, and he's going all in with the team he has. Will he turn out to be right? That's another story. Only time will tell.
lmao wow
You tell me, Cigs, what Licht might be thinking. Why would he follow up having a losing season, then losing the star QB, signing a lesser QB, and then he bring back most of his same team and think he's going to win? Why would he do that?
The Bucs think the 2023 team will be better without Brady than with him. Why do I say that? It's implied because Licht would not have decided to run it back with this group if he didn't think the team believed in itself, if he didn't think the team could win. If Licht thought his players were demoralized, dispirited, overwhelmed or disorganized he wouldn't have been making the moves he's been making to retain the vast majority of the players on this team. Licht has the pulse of the team, and he's going all in with the team he has. Will he turn out to be right? That's another story. Only time will tell.
lmao wow
You tell me, Cigs, what Licht might be thinking. Why would he follow up having a losing season, then losing the star QB, signing a lesser QB, and then he bring back most of his same team and think he's going to win? Why would he do that?
Man, you have this hilarious seething, dripping hatred of Brady
You're taking a GM trying to keep a team competitive and turning that into "the Bucs think" they will be better without Brady?
W . . .T . . . F . . . seek professional Brady therapy.
Its not "we are over the cap so we have to tank" like so many weirdos here posting. Its let some guys go, trade a guy or two, restructure some of them, push some of that $ into the future . . . because they still have a team and a season and NEW COACHES trying to win. Its only in the weird would of message boards that Bowles is DOA because of last year and the Bucs should GUT the whole team to get the #1 pick . . . so any effort to remain competitive equals "LICHT MUST THINK . . team better WITHOUT Brady"
Bucs fans owe Brady a lot. We don't owe him to ignore his performance in 2022, although you seem to think we do.
