You have a lot of faith in a rookie QB who isn't even guaranteed to be starting Week 1. I'm sure he'll be good eventually, but in 2023? That's a stretch.8-9 last year with Brady turning 4 losses into wins with late game heroics. We were 3-1 vs Carolina and New Orleans and they upgraded at QB and we severely downgraded. That 3-1 is going to turn into 1-3 or 0-4.
You have a lot of faith in a rookie QB who isn't even guaranteed to be starting Week 1. I'm sure he'll be good eventually, but in 2023? That's a stretch.8-9 last year with Brady turning 4 losses into wins with late game heroics. We were 3-1 vs Carolina and New Orleans and they upgraded at QB and we severely downgraded. That 3-1 is going to turn into 1-3 or 0-4.
They beat us by 18 with PJ Walker
That 3-1 is going to turn into 1-3 or 0-4.
I’m not so sure.
Again, the Canales hire is a MASSIVE upgrade over the last moron we had.
I would agree he's an upgrade, but the downgrade from Brady to Mayfield is greater.
This year is nothing more than a rebuild, youth movement, clean the cap, look to 2024 and beyond type year.
As much as I will always pull for the Bucs to win, I think they finish in the bottom 5 teams in the league and get a top 5 pick..which in the long run will be a good thing.
I would hate to win a few more meaningless games, just miss out on the post season and have a pick in the teens where getting a franchise QB or game changing type player doesn't is less likely.
If you want to be a negative Nellie all the time that's fine. It's your prerogative as a Bucs fan. Some fans want to be critical of their team all the time. It's professional sports. That's legitimate. But IMO you should be able to back up your statements. There's a fine line between a negative Nellie and a troll. That line is being able to back up your statements. Trolls don't care about that. You seem to be a Bucs fan who wants to constantly knock your team. Fine. But now you made a statement and you didn't back it up.You have a lot of faith in a rookie QB who isn't even guaranteed to be starting Week 1. I'm sure he'll be good eventually, but in 2023? That's a stretch.8-9 last year with Brady turning 4 losses into wins with late game heroics. We were 3-1 vs Carolina and New Orleans and they upgraded at QB and we severely downgraded. That 3-1 is going to turn into 1-3 or 0-4.
They beat us by 18 with PJ Walker
Still some openings to fill on the Bucs. Just because you draft guys in the 5th round and beyond does not mean you have really done anything to address needs. They still have to go out and find some veterans.
QB3: The Rookie UDFAs will be lucky to make the practice squad. QB3 is not on the team yet. Licht says he wants a veteran who has been there done that.
RB2: The Bucs didn't draft a RB. Now they need another one. All of a sudden Licht is raving about Vaughn. I'm not buying it. They'll be shopping for another RB2 or RB3.
LT: Licht hinted he might have something up his sleeve as far as doing a deal for a left tackle, or so TKraz would have you believe that's what Licht was hinting at. Will Licht try to trade for a tackle so they can keep Wirfs on the right side?
DB: They didn't add any high picks, so they have to add a couple veterans.
TE: Drafting Payne Durham in Round 5 helps, but it doesn't address the need for a veteran TE.
QB3:Wolford was signed so that covers QB3.
RB2: Bucs are fine letting Vaughn, Tucker, Edmonds, Brown and Laird battle it out. In fact White has to prove he is the #1.
LT: Bucs will put their best five out there so I think that is more likely to happen then a trade. A trade happens if an injury happens to Wirfs for example IMO.
DB: Only veteran I can see them going for is Logan Ryan as he can play nickle or safety like Neal who can play nickel or safety.
TE: Bucs should stand pat and look at what they have on the roster for TE4 or look at waiver wire pickups.
A veteran DL is possible though.
That 3-1 is going to turn into 1-3 or 0-4.
I’m not so sure.
Again, the Canales hire is a MASSIVE upgrade over the last moron we had.
I would agree he's an upgrade, but the downgrade from Brady to Mayfield is greater.
This year is nothing more than a rebuild, youth movement, clean the cap, look to 2024 and beyond type year.
As much as I will always pull for the Bucs to win, I think they finish in the bottom 5 teams in the league and get a top 5 pick..which in the long run will be a good thing.
I would hate to win a few more meaningless games, just miss out on the post season and have a pick in the teens where getting a franchise QB or game changing type player doesn't is less likely.
you’ve nailed it. Most non Bucs fans have us as a bottom 5 team with their non biased opinion
sure we all see the optimism as Bucs fan and say “hey we have a shot at the playoffs” but let’s be honest we have been saying that for the last 10 years prior to Brady and we came up empty
I think if we set our expectations for realistic we won’t be disappointed. If we win 8 games, it’s likely Bowles saves his job and earns another year. That would likely mean baker or trask really stepped up
Just FYI tanking is not a one-year thing. Take the Jaguars as an example. They tanked for Trevor, and they actually were successful in rebuilding. So in 2019 they went 6-10 and the tanking began. Compare that to the Bucs to see what the timeline would look like if they took a similar path.
Jags 2019 = Bucs 2023 team wins five or six games, discovers it's not very good.
Jags 2020 = Bucs 2024 team fires coaches, trades players, acquires picks, tanks to one or two wins.
Jags 2021 = Bucs 2025 team starts over with young players, wins maybe 4 or five games and shows improvement because well they tanked before so they have to improve.
Jags 2022 = Bucs 2026 team's young players start to improve and gets more young picks and returns to about 500 if all goes well. The Jags were lucky to make the playoffs at 9-8.
Jags 2023 = Bucs 2027 team returns to winning and are one of the contenders to be a threat to get to the Superbowl. We shall see if the Jags continue to progress on their path to success.
Of course that's if everything goes well and you draft well. That's the path you think the Bucs are going down, whether you think they should or don't have a choice. Tanking does not involve just sucking for one year and then you are back in the hunt the following year. If you think this is the way the Bucs should go or that they don't have a choice, just keep that in mind. Go Bucs 2027!
I would argue that the Bucs have a core of good players and are ahead of where the Jags were at the same stage. That said, one would think the road to success would be shorter for the Bucs. I guess we shall see.
Tanking requires you to sink to the bottom in order to rise to the top. So that core of good players will have to be traded for picks, at least some of them. And the others have to understand and be ready to go 2-15. So Wirfs, Winfield, Vea.... How are you going to properly tank with guys who really want to win? You'd have to trade them. Of course the Bucs aren't going to do that, but that's what many seem to think is going to happen or should happen.I would argue that the Bucs have a core of good players and are ahead of where the Jags were at the same stage. That said, one would think the road to success would be shorter for the Bucs. I guess we shall see.
The Jags were a young team when they went to the AFC championship game of 2017. They became dismantled when they had a lot of bad contracts so the Bucs are not in the same situation as the Jags at this point in time.
Bucs have a core of older players that are on very friendly contracts and the younger players are on rookie deals. Basically the 2021, 2022, and 2023 draft classes have to pan out or else the Bucs will be in worse shape than the Jags post the AFC championship game of 2017.
Baker hopefully can fit in and really call a team in TB his home. As he really has not yet found that home.
Hopefully the Bucs coached can coach him up on how to protect the ball. It was so frustrating for Bucs fans when Lameis Jameis wINsTon kept turning over the ball and killing drives and losing games for the team. Mayfield has a propensity to do the same. PROTECT THE BALL!
Bucs have proven that they need a QB and they can win superbowl or at least be a playoff threat
I think we may suck this year but I think you’re looking at an attractive head coach opening with a top 5 pick (potentially trade to 1) to get a franchise QB next year
We have a lot of solid players that is a QB, coach, and a few other pieces away from being back in playoffs
Bucs have proven that they need a QB and they can win superbowl or at least be a playoff threat
I think we may suck this year but I think you’re looking at an attractive head coach opening with a top 5 pick (potentially trade to 1) to get a franchise QB next year
We have a lot of solid players that is a QB, coach, and a few other pieces away from being back in playoffs
The key is that a lot of the drafted trench players start to rev up and pan out. Like Hall, JTS, Goedeke, etc. That means that regardless of how the Bucs finish this season they are about a QB, offensive skill position (WR/RB) and a defensive DB away from having a competitive roster top to bottom in 2024 season.
However if the young players recently drafted stall that makes it more complicated for team building and for a rookie QB to step in.
