great offensive minds
I don't particularly want either of them because as I said, Florida doesn't know how to make an NFL qb.
Richardson is raw... but he's 10x the TALENT Trask is...
I seriously don't understand how anyone can get excited by Trask. He's below average at almost everything
Oh...I don't know. Maybe that, during the SEC only season (save the bowl game) he threw for 4,283 yards, 43 TD's and only 8 INT's? Over 350 yards per game? In fact, take out his 158 yards from the bowl game, where he had no one decent to throw the ball to (they couldn't get open to save their lives) then it's 4125 yards in 11 games or 375 yards per game, just a touch shy of the 378 Burrow had the year before during a schedule with a several cupcakes in it. In 2020 Mullen dropped most of the RPO stuff and mainly used a lot of NFL concepts, along with some others, and that was the result. I don't know for certain if Trask will make it in the NFL or not, but anyone judging him when he's only played with 3rd, 4th, and 5th string receivers behind makeshift lines is just ridiculous. Hurts looked like utter crap his first year. No look at the dude. Trask has it upstairs, and his arm, while not a cannon, is more than strong enough to throw in any NFL throw. He threw it well over 50 yards in the air on a dime of a pass in the preseason. Needed some work to clean up his mechanics some, but that's it.
So yeah, some of us don't have an irrational hatred of UF QB's. I was fine with Brad Johnson coming here. Didn't care where he played. Nor should anyone care where Trask played. Let him throw behind the starting line to Evans and Godwin, then judge him.
@bucharbour you're trying to talk sense to the senseless.
Have zero "UF v FSU" in me, but just wonder if Trask works if the team makes big changes? Arians liked him, in part, because he's sort of a Brady-mold QB, right? Because he was (according to Arians) big, tall and not afraid to stand in the pocket. Most fans here are calling for a mobile QB, modern offense. If Bucs agree, what then for Trask? Does he fit that type of offense? Is he more Burrows than Mahomes? Somewhere in between?
just wonder if Trask works if the team makes big changes?
That's a good question. If Bucs hire an OC who needs a mobile QB to make his system work, Trask could be on the outside looking in...
Have zero "UF v FSU" in me, but just wonder if Trask works if the team makes big changes? Arians liked him, in part, because he's sort of a Brady-mold QB, right? Because he was (according to Arians) big, tall and not afraid to stand in the pocket. Most fans here are calling for a mobile QB, modern offense. If Bucs agree, what then for Trask? Does he fit that type of offense? Is he more Burrows than Mahomes? Somewhere in between?
Trask isn't a dual threat QB. He is noticeably more mobile than Brady ever was and can run in a pinch (he tends to run with the desire to run over guys when he does) to maybe get you a few yards, but he's not generally racing for the endzone. He did do a good number of roll outs at UF, so he's not a statue. But let's be honest, the vast majority of QB's that have ever won the big one did so by standing in the pocket and making the throw. Mobile QB's get injured a lot in the NFL and make just as many dumb mistakes as huge plays. You live with it, and often even love it, because of those miracle plays. In the end, however, you can't regularly live on that in the NFL because you'll get your QB killed. Most NFL offenses still revolve around the QB hanging in the pocket and making passes through the air. And, the best way for a QB to help you win is to be healthy and available.
It also never fails to crack me up when people love or hate a player for their NFL team just because of the college team they played for. I hate the Seminoles but loved Derrick Brooks. My dislike of Winston never had anything to do with him being from FSU. I stated before that draft, numerous times, that he would be a turnover machine in the NFL, and he was. I also didn't like his extra curricular activities. I liked Brad Johnson, despite being from FSU. Liked Warren Sapp, despite being from Miami. I like Trask as a potential starter based on how he played in college running a lot of NFL concepts (the pre/post snap reads and throwing a very catchable ball in the right place - accuracy). That he came from UF would only be gravy. If he played a couple of years regularly for us, and sucked, I'd be all in on moving on. Wish more Bucs "fans" could set aside the college rivalry crap when it came to our NFL team.
We have Hurts drafted in the 2nd round, Mahomes was drafted 12th or 10th, something like that. And of course Mr. Irrelevant in SF. So there is hope that you can score a QB somewhere other than the top 5
And, most importantly, what do all 3 of those QB's have in common with each other aside from draft status?
Mobility. Mahomes lost his mobility and the Chiefs lost about six points to the spread. Or gained. Whichever.
They will be moving on from Brady for sure. But that does not mean he will retire. Wonder if they will have Kyle T having to compete with possibly a veteran QB to be signed/traded?!
We have Hurts drafted in the 2nd round, Mahomes was drafted 12th or 10th, something like that. And of course Mr. Irrelevant in SF. So there is hope that you can score a QB somewhere other than the top 5
And, most importantly, what do all 3 of those QB's have in common with each other aside from draft status?
Mobility. Mahomes lost his mobility and the Chiefs lost about six points to the spread. Or gained. Whichever.
Their offensive-minded coaches.
Agreed. My immediate thought was superior coaching, especially in KC and SF.
Drafting a QB with a defensive minded HC is not the way to go. Especially since Bowles is on the hot seat heading into year 2. Plus, Trask is on a cheap rookie deal and the team likes Gabbert as a backup.
All signs point towards pouring draft resources fixing the OL, and front seven of the defense. Bucs are going to dip their toes to find a veteran QB, TE and CB via UFA IMO.
Don’t want Richardson. UF QBs don’t translate.
don’t want stroud. See: UF qbs
im all in on hooker myself.
but anyone but trask tbh.
but anyone but trask tbh.
I'm sure Patriots fans said the same thing when Bledsoe got hurt. How about we let the guy actually play with the starters before passing judgement? It would seem the prudent thing to do.
@bucharbour if trask can’t even be 2nd string over gabbert that’s enough for me to say he’s not a franchise qb.
he’ll get a shot next year.
im all for getting a top 10 pick.
Trask I think has potential in an offense tailored to his strengths. The problem I have is that the Bucs used to have a good OL and that is no longer the case. Have to rebuild the OL for a player like Trask to succeed at least at a NFL average level.
Personally I do not see Bowles having the luxury to let Trask learn and fully develop by 2024 IMO.
There is a possibility that the Glazers are okay with a step back in 2023 on the condition that Trask or a drafted QB is integrated and allowed to learn on the fly.
