I have already smashed the Glennon supporters with the fact that Glennon played his rookie season under a set of rules that is designed to give the QB 300 yard games like they are going out of style. Actual coach film and actually watching the games will show you just how average Glennon really was last year. I know that the supporters who think like Lovies just don't want to watch it or hear it. Glennon will never QB a team in the NFL to an above .500 record, that is a FACT. Glennon was 4-9, FACT. Glennon got Schiano/Dominik FIRED, FACT! Glennon plays a full year here next year we go 5-11, max, FACT!
Schiano and Dom got themselves fired. I realize you hate Glennon, but come on dude there's a reason neither have latched on anywhere. Hell...Dom's backup got a GM job over him.
Why bother? He thinks HIS opinions are now facts and stats used in favor of Glennon are not concrete.
I have already smashed the Glennon supporters with the fact that Glennon played his rookie season under a set of rules that is designed to give the QB 300 yard games like they are going out of style. Actual coach film and actually watching the games will show you just how average Glennon really was last year. I know that the supporters who think like Lovies just don't want to watch it or hear it. Glennon will never QB a team in the NFL to an above .500 record, that is a FACT. Glennon was 4-9, FACT. Glennon got Schiano/Dominik FIRED, FACT! Glennon plays a full year here next year we go 5-11, max, FACT!
Schiano and Dom got themselves fired. I realize you hate Glennon, but come on dude there's a reason neither have latched on anywhere. Hell...Dom's backup got a GM job over him.
Why bother? He thinks HIS opinions are now facts and stats used in favor of Glennon are not concrete.
I guess I just dont get it. I dont love Glennon, and chances are he is probably a career backup. Having a better statistical rookie year than Flacco, Dalton, Luck, and Peyton in almost every category should have people more optimistic than not about year 2 under a real coaching staff. Maybe if we cut down on his 3 sacks a game....perhaps?
I have already smashed the Glennon supporters with the fact that Glennon played his rookie season under a set of rules that is designed to give the QB 300 yard games like they are going out of style. Actual coach film and actually watching the games will show you just how average Glennon really was last year. I know that the supporters who think like Lovies just don't want to watch it or hear it. Glennon will never QB a team in the NFL to an above .500 record, that is a FACT. Glennon was 4-9, FACT. Glennon got Schiano/Dominik FIRED, FACT! Glennon plays a full year here next year we go 5-11, max, FACT!
Schiano and Dom got themselves fired. I realize you hate Glennon, but come on dude there's a reason neither have latched on anywhere. Hell...Dom's backup got a GM job over him.
Why bother? He thinks HIS opinions are now facts and stats used in favor of Glennon are not concrete.
I guess I just dont get it. I dont love Glennon, and chances are he is probably a career backup. Having a better statistical rookie year than Flacco, Dalton, Luck, and Peyton in almost every category should have people more optimistic than not about year 2 under a real coaching staff. Maybe if we cut down on his 3 sacks a game....perhaps?
Yep.I think the franchise has been so snake bit by QB's , that the fan base automAtically assumes the worst.
milton, sorry dude, you're just wrong and you're coming off stupid
Because I throw facts in your face that proves you wrong it means I'm trolling? You're such a loser dude...
I'll be anything you want me to be as long as it entertains me. In the end these discussions are here for the amusement of others and you do such a beautiful job at it and I commend you on that accomplishment! :) What's next?
Ok, I did the work for you and plugged in Glennons stats into "your link". Here's how he compared.QBR: 6th (higher than Dalton, Flacco, Luck, Peyton)Comp%: 9th (higher than Dalton, Luck, Peyton)Yds/Gm: 13th (higher than Wilson, Flacco)TD to Int: 3rd (higher than Ryan, Luck, Newton, Peyton, Flacco)
Sweet right where I already said he goes. Read next time and save yourself the trouble of re-posting what I already said. Even in that you cherry picked what stats you wanted to compare. Where is yards per attempt? Does that make him look bad or something? Why was it omitted? Funny how that works. :p
Actually you never said where he "belongs". Yards/Att is 17th: Still ahead of Peyton....the ANY/A he was 14th (ahead of both Peyton/Palmer)Its nice to know a guy who had one of the top 20 rookie passing seasons in EVERY category is such a bum to you.
How exactly does a good rookie season translate into wins or rings again? RGMe is #1 all time. How many rings and division titles does he have? Ryan? Newton? Batch? Dalton? Palmer? Bradford? Luck? Tannehill? Leinart? Couch? Leftwich? Weeden? Banks? Mirer? For every rookie who's earned a SB ring on that list there are 10 who didn't. It's not a valid way to assess a QB but that's besides the point since you wanted to go down this road. I said Glennon is comparable to Batch. I'm sorry if you can't make the connection unless I spoon feed you it written out so clear an elementary school student could figure it out.Let's go one step further. In the last 20 years how many of those rookies have gone on to win a SB?Flacco - 1 winPeyton - 1 win 2 lossesWilson - 1 win3/20 = 15% chance a rookie QB in the top 20 will win a SB? Feel free to correct me if I missed any QB's. I didn't put but 60 seconds into it so I'm sure I missed someone. "Super BowlDateStarting Quarterback/Team College Date of Birth AgeXXVIII 1/30/94TROY AIKMAN, Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma, UCLA 11/21/66 27JIM KELLY, Buffalo Bills Miami (FL) 2/14/60 33XXIX 1/29/95STEVE YOUNG, San Francisco 49ers BYU 10/11/61 33Stan Humphries, San Diego ChargersNE Louisiana 4/14/65 29XXX 1/28/96TROY AIKMAN, Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma, UCLA 11/21/66 29Neil O'Donnell, Pittsburgh Steelers Maryland 7/3/66 29XXXI 1/26/97Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers Southern Mississippi 10/10/69 27Drew Bledsoe, New England Patriots Washington State 2/14/72 24XXXII 1/25/98JOHN ELWAY, Denver Broncos Stanford 6/28/60 37Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers Southern Mississippi 10/10/69 28XXXIII 1/31/99JOHN ELWAY, Denver Broncos Stanford 6/28/60 38Chris Chandler, Atlanta Falcons Washington 10/12/65 33XXXIV 1/30/00Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams Northern Iowa 6/22/71 28Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans Alcorn State 2/14/73 26XXXV 1/28/01Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens Fresno State 3/13/72 28Kerry Collins, New York Giants Penn State 12/30/72 28XXXVI 2/3/02Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 24Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams Northern Iowa 6/22/71 30XXXVII 1/26/03Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Florida State 9/13/68 34Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders Delaware 12/20/65 37XXXVIII 2/1/04Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 26Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers Louisiana-Lafayette 1/10/75 29XXXIX 2/6/05Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 27Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia Eagles Syracuse 11/25/76 28XL 2/5/06Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers Miami (OH) 3/2/82 23Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle Seahawks Boston College 9/25/75 30XLI 2/4/07Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts Tennessee 3/24/76 30Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears Florida 8/23/80 26XLII 2/3/08Eli Manning, New York Giants Mississippi 1/3/81 27Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 30XLIII 2/1/09Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers Miami (OH) 3/2/82 26Kurt Warner, Arizona Cardinals Northern Iowa 6/22/71 37XLIV 2/7/10Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints Purdue 1/15/79 31Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts Tennessee 3/24/76 33XLV 2/6/11Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers California 12/2/83 27Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers Miami (OH) 3/2/82 28XLVI 2/5/12Eli Manning, New York Giants Mississippi 1/3/81 31Tom Brady, New England Patriots Michigan 8/3/77 34XLVII 2/3/13Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens Delaware 1/16/85 28Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco 49ers Nevada 11/3/87 25XLVIII 2/2/14Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks Wisconsin 11/29/88 25Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos Tennessee 3/24/76 37"- See more at: http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.aspx?release_id=97#sthash.9Rc0jqBw.dpuf
I have already smashed the Glennon supporters with the fact that Glennon played his rookie season under a set of rules that is designed to give the QB 300 yard games like they are going out of style. Actual coach film and actually watching the games will show you just how average Glennon really was last year. I know that the supporters who think like Lovies just don't want to watch it or hear it. Glennon will never QB a team in the NFL to an above .500 record, that is a FACT. Glennon was 4-9, FACT. Glennon got Schiano/Dominik FIRED, FACT! Glennon plays a full year here next year we go 5-11, max, FACT!
Can you dispute these facts: (and see, facts are something that isn't opinion, you seem to not understand that very simple concept)Here are three names that play in the same era as GlennonLuck had 3 games over 300 yards passing last yearWilson had 2 games over 300 yards passing last yearRGMe had 3 games over 300 yards passing last year before he was shut down Guess the 300+ games aren't handed out to the new breed of qb's in this new era...Now, if you want to state that you have observed tendencies in Glennon's game that makes you believe he won't amount to a successful qb, that is your opinion, but you have no facts to base this on, just as people who want Glennon to succeed have no facts to state that Glennon will improve. They are hoping that a legitimate (opinion) NFL coaching staff will help Glennon overcome his weaknesses and turn him into a good qb either for the Bucs, or trade bait later.
Because I throw facts in your face that proves you wrong it means I'm trolling? You're such a loser dude...
I'll be anything you want me to be as long as it entertains me. In the end these discussions are here for the amusement of others and you do such a beautiful job at it and I commend you on that accomplishment! :) What's next?
Ok, I did the work for you and plugged in Glennons stats into "your link". Here's how he compared.QBR: 6th (higher than Dalton, Flacco, Luck, Peyton)Comp%: 9th (higher than Dalton, Luck, Peyton)Yds/Gm: 13th (higher than Wilson, Flacco)TD to Int: 3rd (higher than Ryan, Luck, Newton, Peyton, Flacco)
Sweet right where I already said he goes. Read next time and save yourself the trouble of re-posting what I already said. Even in that you cherry picked what stats you wanted to compare. Where is yards per attempt? Does that make him look bad or something? Why was it omitted? Funny how that works. :p
Actually you never said where he "belongs". Yards/Att is 17th: Still ahead of Peyton....the ANY/A he was 14th (ahead of both Peyton/Palmer)Its nice to know a guy who had one of the top 20 rookie passing seasons in EVERY category is such a bum to you.
How exactly does a good rookie season translate into wins or rings again? RGMe is #1 all time. How many rings and division titles does he have? Ryan? Newton? Batch? Dalton? Palmer? Bradford? Luck? Tannehill? Leinart? Couch? Leftwich? Weeden? Banks? Mirer? For every rookie who's earned a SB ring on that list there are 10 who didn't. It's not a valid way to assess a QB but that's besides the point since you wanted to go down this road. I said Glennon is comparable to Batch. I'm sorry if you can't make the connection unless I spoon feed you it written out so clear an elementary school student could figure it out.Let's go one step further. In the last 20 years how many of those rookies have gone on to win a SB?Flacco - 1 winPeyton - 1 win 2 lossesWilson - 1 win3/20 = 15% chance a rookie QB in the top 20 will win a SB? Feel free to correct me if I missed any QB's. I didn't put but 60 seconds into it so I'm sure I missed someone.
Honestly man, Im done debating this point. I feel one way, you feel another. Neither of us are coming off our opinion. Ill just leave it as we are both Bucs fans and we both have the same end goal in mind. Lets just hope we get to share a toast at a super bowl again in the near future.
Because I throw facts in your face that proves you wrong it means I'm trolling? You're such a loser dude...
I'll be anything you want me to be as long as it entertains me. In the end these discussions are here for the amusement of others and you do such a beautiful job at it and I commend you on that accomplishment! :) What's next?
Ok, I did the work for you and plugged in Glennons stats into "your link". Here's how he compared.QBR: 6th (higher than Dalton, Flacco, Luck, Peyton)Comp%: 9th (higher than Dalton, Luck, Peyton)Yds/Gm: 13th (higher than Wilson, Flacco)TD to Int: 3rd (higher than Ryan, Luck, Newton, Peyton, Flacco)
Sweet right where I already said he goes. Read next time and save yourself the trouble of re-posting what I already said. Even in that you cherry picked what stats you wanted to compare. Where is yards per attempt? Does that make him look bad or something? Why was it omitted? Funny how that works. :p
Actually you never said where he "belongs". Yards/Att is 17th: Still ahead of Peyton....the ANY/A he was 14th (ahead of both Peyton/Palmer)Its nice to know a guy who had one of the top 20 rookie passing seasons in EVERY category is such a bum to you.
Don't see how it matters at all. Most rookie QBs don't perform that great, especially when they have to adjust to pro-style offenses and QBing from under center.
Mike Glennon is a D- game manger. It is time to find an aggressive qb that can actually win games.
Because I throw facts in your face that proves you wrong it means I'm trolling? You're such a loser dude...
I'll be anything you want me to be as long as it entertains me. In the end these discussions are here for the amusement of others and you do such a beautiful job at it and I commend you on that accomplishment! :) What's next?
Ok, I did the work for you and plugged in Glennons stats into "your link". Here's how he compared.QBR: 6th (higher than Dalton, Flacco, Luck, Peyton)Comp%: 9th (higher than Dalton, Luck, Peyton)Yds/Gm: 13th (higher than Wilson, Flacco)TD to Int: 3rd (higher than Ryan, Luck, Newton, Peyton, Flacco)
Sweet right where I already said he goes. Read next time and save yourself the trouble of re-posting what I already said. Even in that you cherry picked what stats you wanted to compare. Where is yards per attempt? Does that make him look bad or something? Why was it omitted? Funny how that works. :p
Actually you never said where he "belongs". Yards/Att is 17th: Still ahead of Peyton....the ANY/A he was 14th (ahead of both Peyton/Palmer)Its nice to know a guy who had one of the top 20 rookie passing seasons in EVERY category is such a bum to you.
How exactly does a good rookie season translate into wins or rings again? RGMe is #1 all time. How many rings and division titles does he have? Ryan? Newton? Batch? Dalton? Palmer? Bradford? Luck? Tannehill? Leinart? Couch? Leftwich? Weeden? Banks? Mirer? For every rookie who's earned a SB ring on that list there are 10 who didn't. It's not a valid way to assess a QB but that's besides the point since you wanted to go down this road. I said Glennon is comparable to Batch. I'm sorry if you can't make the connection unless I spoon feed you it written out so clear an elementary school student could figure it out.Let's go one step further. In the last 20 years how many of those rookies have gone on to win a SB?Flacco - 1 winPeyton - 1 win 2 lossesWilson - 1 win3/20 = 15% chance a rookie QB in the top 20 will win a SB? Feel free to correct me if I missed any QB's. I didn't put but 60 seconds into it so I'm sure I missed someone.
Honestly man, Im done debating this point. I feel one way, you feel another. Neither of us are coming off our opinion. Ill just leave it as we are both Bucs fans and we both have the same end goal in mind. Lets just hope we get to share a toast at a super bowl again in the near future.
Agreed. I'm still pissed I didn't go to the Buc's SB. I was going to but just couldn't bring myself to spend $3,000-4,000 on it. I hope I have the chance to blow the cash again in my lifetime since I skipped it the first time. :(
Because I throw facts in your face that proves you wrong it means I'm trolling? You're such a loser dude...
I'll be anything you want me to be as long as it entertains me. In the end these discussions are here for the amusement of others and you do such a beautiful job at it and I commend you on that accomplishment! :) What's next?
Ok, I did the work for you and plugged in Glennons stats into "your link". Here's how he compared.QBR: 6th (higher than Dalton, Flacco, Luck, Peyton)Comp%: 9th (higher than Dalton, Luck, Peyton)Yds/Gm: 13th (higher than Wilson, Flacco)TD to Int: 3rd (higher than Ryan, Luck, Newton, Peyton, Flacco)
Sweet right where I already said he goes. Read next time and save yourself the trouble of re-posting what I already said. Even in that you cherry picked what stats you wanted to compare. Where is yards per attempt? Does that make him look bad or something? Why was it omitted? Funny how that works. :p
Actually you never said where he "belongs". Yards/Att is 17th: Still ahead of Peyton....the ANY/A he was 14th (ahead of both Peyton/Palmer)Its nice to know a guy who had one of the top 20 rookie passing seasons in EVERY category is such a bum to you.
How exactly does a good rookie season translate into wins or rings again? RGMe is #1 all time. How many rings and division titles does he have? Ryan? Newton? Batch? Dalton? Palmer? Bradford? Luck? Tannehill? Leinart? Couch? Leftwich? Weeden? Banks? Mirer? For every rookie who's earned a SB ring on that list there are 10 who didn't. It's not a valid way to assess a QB but that's besides the point since you wanted to go down this road. I said Glennon is comparable to Batch. I'm sorry if you can't make the connection unless I spoon feed you it written out so clear an elementary school student could figure it out.Let's go one step further. In the last 20 years how many of those rookies have gone on to win a SB?Flacco - 1 winPeyton - 1 win 2 lossesWilson - 1 win3/20 = 15% chance a rookie QB in the top 20 will win a SB? Feel free to correct me if I missed any QB's. I didn't put but 60 seconds into it so I'm sure I missed someone.
Honestly man, Im done debating this point. I feel one way, you feel another. Neither of us are coming off our opinion. Ill just leave it as we are both Bucs fans and we both have the same end goal in mind. Lets just hope we get to share a toast at a super bowl again in the near future.
Agreed. I'm still pissed I didn't go to the Buc's SB. I was going to but just couldn't bring myself to spend $3,000-4,000 on it. I hope I have the chance to blow the cash again in my lifetime since I skipped it the first time. :(
I was in college at the time. Def didnt have that kind of expendable income. Now it wouldnt be a problem...and of course it hasnt been an option since. First world problems I suppose.
Because I throw facts in your face that proves you wrong it means I'm trolling? You're such a loser dude...
I'll be anything you want me to be as long as it entertains me. In the end these discussions are here for the amusement of others and you do such a beautiful job at it and I commend you on that accomplishment! :) What's next?
Ok, I did the work for you and plugged in Glennons stats into "your link". Here's how he compared.QBR: 6th (higher than Dalton, Flacco, Luck, Peyton)Comp%: 9th (higher than Dalton, Luck, Peyton)Yds/Gm: 13th (higher than Wilson, Flacco)TD to Int: 3rd (higher than Ryan, Luck, Newton, Peyton, Flacco)
Sweet right where I already said he goes. Read next time and save yourself the trouble of re-posting what I already said. Even in that you cherry picked what stats you wanted to compare. Where is yards per attempt? Does that make him look bad or something? Why was it omitted? Funny how that works. :p
Actually you never said where he "belongs". Yards/Att is 17th: Still ahead of Peyton....the ANY/A he was 14th (ahead of both Peyton/Palmer)Its nice to know a guy who had one of the top 20 rookie passing seasons in EVERY category is such a bum to you.
How exactly does a good rookie season translate into wins or rings again? RGMe is #1 all time. How many rings and division titles does he have? Ryan? Newton? Batch? Dalton? Palmer? Bradford? Luck? Tannehill? Leinart? Couch? Leftwich? Weeden? Banks? Mirer? For every rookie who's earned a SB ring on that list there are 10 who didn't. It's not a valid way to assess a QB but that's besides the point since you wanted to go down this road. I said Glennon is comparable to Batch. I'm sorry if you can't make the connection unless I spoon feed you it written out so clear an elementary school student could figure it out.Let's go one step further. In the last 20 years how many of those rookies have gone on to win a SB?Flacco - 1 winPeyton - 1 win 2 lossesWilson - 1 win3/20 = 15% chance a rookie QB in the top 20 will win a SB? Feel free to correct me if I missed any QB's. I didn't put but 60 seconds into it so I'm sure I missed someone.
Honestly man, Im done debating this point. I feel one way, you feel another. Neither of us are coming off our opinion. Ill just leave it as we are both Bucs fans and we both have the same end goal in mind. Lets just hope we get to share a toast at a super bowl again in the near future.
Agreed. I'm still pissed I didn't go to the Buc's SB. I was going to but just couldn't bring myself to spend $3,000-4,000 on it. I hope I have the chance to blow the cash again in my lifetime since I skipped it the first time. :(
I was in college at the time. Def didnt have that kind of expendable income. Now it wouldnt be a problem...and of course it hasnt been an option since. First world problems I suppose.
It's good to have first world problems. :)
Yea, it definitely beats the alternative.
Since there are some Buc fans who aren't sold on Glennon, but at least want to see what a competent coaching staff could do with him, and there are others who believe we need to ship his keister out of Tampa yesterday, I'm curious what Buc fans would say about a qb who did this:in two years on the roster, played in 19 games, had roughly a 53% completion percentage, 3217 yards, 11 tds, 21 picks, and a 3-16 record in those games, would you keep him if the coaching staff sucked eggs?And yes, I'm talking about Steve Young, and no, I'm not saying Glennon is comparable to Steve Young skill set wise, only that the Bucs were badly coached when Young was there, and he was rescued by one heck of a coach out in SF.I simply want to do due diligence on a qb, who may be bad, or may be exactly what the Bucs need under center, before spending a pick on an upgrade at one position, where we have needs at other positions as well.
Since there are some Buc fans who aren't sold on Glennon, but at least want to see what a competent coaching staff could do with him, and there are others who believe we need to ship his keister out of Tampa yesterday, I'm curious what Buc fans would say about a qb who did this:in two years on the roster, played in 19 games, had roughly a 53% completion percentage, 3217 yards, 11 tds, 21 picks, and a 3-16 record in those games, would you keep him if the coaching staff sucked eggs?And yes, I'm talking about Steve Young, and no, I'm not saying Glennon is comparable to Steve Young skill set wise, only that the Bucs were badly coached when Young was there, and he was rescued by one heck of a coach out in SF.
That said nothing will change this year. In the entire history of the Buc's organization what QB's have they successfully coached? There's just no track record of it happening .....EVER! Why would that change for Glennon?
