White got too much credit for the turnovers in the playoffs. It was more about being around the ball because he's a MLB. Minter caused a turnover in the playoffs that year too when White was out.
White was great at tracking from hash to sideline and was a violent pass rusher. But he was an F in coverage and an F at discecting runs. I suggested last off-season they try him in a Micah Parsons role. With our issues at Edge right now I still think it would have been better than letting him walk for that garbage deal he got from Philly. Bowles could have lined him up at any LB spot and sent him. For all of his flaws he's tough to deal with when he's coming downhill at the QB.
PR's mock draft by positions: 1) IOL, 2) Edge, 3) IOL, 3) DB, 4) WR, 6) DL, 7) TE
My mock draft positions; 1) Edge, 2) IOL, 3) WR, 3) QB, 4) DB, 6) RB, 7) DL.
I don't have any huge disagreements with PR's prediction. I can see the Bucs might pass on a QB and ride with Trask at 3rd string until the end of the year, but this is supposed to be a rare draft for QBs. I have to think if the Bucs can get one they think they can develop into a starter they'll do it. I also think the Bucs have to improve their RB depth. I'd be really surprised if they don't take one somewhere. As for the two IOLs, I can see that. Licht did it before, but is there an Marpet/Mauch/Cappa type of physical raw material hanging around in Round 3 who can be molded into a starter? Licht doesn't want to use a 3rd round pick on a garden variety boring old solid player. He wants to find that little known diamond in the rough type of o-lineman in that 3rd round.
White got too much credit for the turnovers in the playoffs. It was more about being around the ball because he's a MLB. Minter caused a turnover in the playoffs that year too when White was out.
White was great at tracking from hash to sideline and was a violent pass rusher. But he was an F in coverage and an F at discecting runs. I suggested last off-season they try him in a Micah Parsons role. With our issues at Edge right now I still think it would have been better than letting him walk for that garbage deal he got from Philly. Bowles could have lined him up at any LB spot and sent him. For all of his flaws he's tough to deal with when he's coming downhill at the QB.
his story to this point is pretty common
He’s a young guy who has always succeeded, even with poor technique or tactics, because of his athletic ability. Get to the NFL though and technique matters, discipline matters etc. LVD still succeeds because he’s diagnosed the play so quickly. Brooks was one of the fastest LBs in the league and he still trained every day on avoiding false steps
the only question is whether he actually turns it around. It takes a lot of work and he’s got horses and millions at only 25 or 26.
Licht did it before, but is there an Marpet/Mauch/Cappa type of physical raw material hanging around in Round 3 who can be molded into a starter?
There are a number of starter quality iOl available in rounds 2-4 in this draft. Just like every year.
Need to be targeting EDGE and CB with the 1st and 2nd round. We can find multiple talented iOL in the 3rd and 4th.
And, drafting a QB with one of our 3rd rounders (as you suggested) should be a fireable offense. It's worse than taking a RB at that stage.
Well, don't be surprised if they draft a QB. Everything's rosy with Mayfield right now, but he's had an up and down career to be kind about it. The Bucs are locked in to him for two years. They can get out of his 2026 contract for a $17 mil dead cap hit if they don't want to pay $40 mil salary for 2026. That's not cheap, but its a hit they could absorb if need be, especially if the replacement QB is on a rookie deal. That's just doing business in the world of NFL QBs.Licht did it before, but is there an Marpet/Mauch/Cappa type of physical raw material hanging around in Round 3 who can be molded into a starter?
There are a number of starter quality iOl available in rounds 2-4 in this draft. Just like every year.
Need to be targeting EDGE and CB with the 1st and 2nd round. We can find multiple talented iOL in the 3rd and 4th.
And, drafting a QB with one of our 3rd rounders (as you suggested) should be a fireable offense. It's worse than taking a RB at that stage.
How much time should Coen spend training Trask, who will be a free agent after the season, on the new system? There's no hope that Trask will be here beyond this year. Coen will be, however. He's a new OC and so he will get at least two years or more to build his offense. They need a QB who Coen can develop in his system and eventually be ready to take over the reigns if the Mayfield era turns out to be a short one.
Well, don't be surprised if they draft a QB.
Do you think that using one of our 3rd rounders to draft a QB (right after they re-sign Mayfield) is good use of fairly premium draft capital?
Well, don't be surprised if they draft a QB.
I think everyone but you would be surprised, but that’s what makes it fun.
By the way, why would they draft a QB when we have “he would’ve won 9 games” Trask on the roster? You know, the guy who won the pre-season..
Because he'll spend the year learning a new system and then he'll be gone. Wolford is already familiar, so he'll be the backup. Trask will be the 3rd string QB with little chance of ever being in a game. What's the point of wasting time trying to get him to learn the system which may not even fit his style anyway? On the other hand, if you draft a rookie who fits your style you have him on a cheap contract for four years. Plenty of time to learn the system and be ready to start if and when you need to move on from Baker.Well, don't be surprised if they draft a QB.
I think everyone but you would be surprised, but that’s what makes it fun.
By the way, why would they draft a QB when we have “he would’ve won 9 games” Trask on the roster? You know, the guy who won the pre-season..
I like Baker, but he takes hits. The Bucs have committed to him for essentially two years, even though it's a three-year deal. He played with a bad shoulder and a bad ankle and it affected his production, and that was during a good year. How long before those injuries start to take a toll? They escalated Baker's contract to $40 mil in that 3rd year, but they know they can get out of it if they have to. There's sort of a two-year plan with Baker, Evans, and probably Bowles. If it's time to move on from them after 2025 they won't be totally screwed cap wise. But if you have a starting QB waiting in the wings that helps.
Because he'll spend the year learning a new system and then he'll be gone. Wolford is already familiar, so he'll be the backup. Trask will be the 3rd string QB with little chance of ever being in a game. What's the point of wasting time trying to get him to learn the system which may not even fit his style anyway? On the other hand, if you draft a rookie who fits your style you have him on a cheap contract for four years. Plenty of time to learn the system and be ready to start if and when you need to move on from Baker.Well, don't be surprised if they draft a QB.
I think everyone but you would be surprised, but that’s what makes it fun.
By the way, why would they draft a QB when we have “he would’ve won 9 games” Trask on the roster? You know, the guy who won the pre-season..
I like Baker, but he takes hits. The Bucs have committed to him for essentially two years, even though it's a three-year deal. He played with a bad shoulder and a bad ankle and it affected his production, and that was during a good year. How long before those injuries start to take a toll? They escalated Baker's contract to $40 mil in that 3rd year, but they know they can get out of it if they have to. There's sort of a two-year plan with Baker, Evans, and probably Bowles. If it's time to move on from them after 2025 they won't be totally screwed cap wise. But if you have a starting QB waiting in the wings that helps.
I get where you are coming from BUT I doubt they spend a 3rd on a QB when there are many other needs (DH's point) and many other ways to get a QB if Mayfield fails or is injured. Teams don't have to use a 3rd to draft and develop a QB (your plan), they can just draft one later, find one in free agency (thats how we got Mayfield and won two Super Bowls).
It also hard to imagine Licht spending a 3rd this draft on a QB when spending a 2nd on Trask just a few drafts ago didnt work out so well. . . at least not yet!
I agree that Baker was subjected to more hits, and took chances to help win some games with a weak interior o-line, which caused a lack of run production.
As Ronde Barber’s recent film review of Mayfield showed, as they learned the system, and became more effective, he played well in the pocket. Baker’s style of play, was necessitated by the line play, and lack of a substantive run game. As the FO realized Baker was a good fit, the idea is to build around him to make him as effective as possible.
While I could be surprised by a QB pick, I don’t think we will add one in this draft, we have some significant needs that look like they can be addressed in the draft, because what we need has some good depth and pretty much where we can access it.
But, as BC said previously, that’s what makes this fun!
It's true that Trask didn't work out, but that wasn't the fault of the plan. For one, no starting Buccaneer QB has missed a start since 2018. Before that Ryan Fitzpatrick started 10 games in two years in 17-18. Mike Glennon started 18 games over the course of two years in 13-14. It's pretty common for backup QBs to be pressed into service for extended time periods, but it just didn't happen thankfully. And whether he could have beaten out Gabbert or whether he would now be ahead of behind Wolford is a good question. But that doesn't really matter. Trask didn't turn out to be a useful draft pick whether it was because of circumstances or Trask's performance or both, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good strategy to draft him.
if Licht takes a QB it will be at the end of the draft or an undrafted guy for a spot on the ps.
we already have 3 QBs under contract and you dont keep a 4th on the 53-roster... neither Trask nor Wolford end up on the practice squad!
It's true that Trask didn't work out, but that wasn't the fault of the plan
If Trask worked out Licht would have even more people calling him a genius because he says the plan was to have a relatively inexpensive developmental QB who could lead the team through a bad salary cap period post Brady
Trask might have even worked in that role if not for Mayfield
Well, in ten years he's never taken a Day 3 QB. There's always a first time, but I'd say the latest would be the 3rd Round. I'm guessing he doesn't take a flyer on a late round QB because he doesn't want the team to use time and energy to develop a player who doesn't ultimately have the physical or mental potential to be a good starter. You can always get affordable backups. He's never once taken a flyer on a QB with even so much as a 7th round comp pick, not even with the "Quarterback Whisperer" on board.if Licht takes a QB it will be at the end of the draft or an undrafted guy for a spot on the ps.
we already have 3 QBs under contract and you dont keep a 4th on the 53-roster... neither Trask nor Wolford end up on the practice squad!
