I don’t know how they can look at what just happened with Cousins, Tua and Kyler and decide to give out a $200M prematurely
we are talking about the same franchise who prematurely extended Todd Bowles in 2025 when they should have waited until this offseason
im not so sure Bowles is head coach if not for that ill investment made
poorly run franchises going to make poor moves but to be fair even well run franchises like Philadelphia prematurely extend QBs. (Ie Carson wentz, Jalen hurts)
we are not at risk of losing baker particularly with franchise tag option so we really need to see what QB we have
2023 and 2025 are more average like play. You can win with this but you need a dominate defense and run game - ie Seattle last year
since our defense isn’t that (and even with JAG moves this offseason) we need baker to be closer to 2024 to warrant such a contract
Will you guys shut the fuck about Bowles already?
it's relevant because you asked...how would a franchise prematurely extend a QB when you see X, Y, and Z examples
well my friend, look in the mirror of the jersey you are wearing because your favorite team is managed incompetently.
Player contracts are independent of coach contracts. When you sign a player to a contract like Baker is being talked about it comes with roster constraints. And that’s best case scenario. Worst case scenario is Miami, Arizona, Atlanta.
Will you guys shut the fuck about Bowles already?
No.
I will praise or criticize his based on his performance.
Currently, he is a middling coach who happens to be a poor defensive coordinator who had a couple of offensive coordinators bail him out in a weak-ass division.
Nothing to praise.
Nothing to get excited about. (Well, except his eventual firing).
This is a thread about Baker’s contract. Bucs fans are now just making everything about Bowles. But you’re also being gaslit by poor coverage of the team from the likes of Pewter Report and JoeBucsFan.
poorly run franchises going to make poor moves but to be fair even well run franchises like Philadelphia
The Eagles have more than $400 million in void year contracts
average like play. You can win with this but you need a dominate defense and run game - ie Seattle last year
the Bowles Bucs 2023 defense was comparable (3 ppg?) to the 2025 Seattle defense
The Bucs 2024 running game was better than the Seattle 2025 run game, by almost 25 yards per game.
2025 Sam Darnold was 4000 yards on 67% completion rate and 25TDs to 14 interceptions. Thats basically 2023 Mayfield
POINT:
The Bucs and Mayfield are right there, in part because the margins we are discussing are tiny and the actual challenge - greatly impacted by health - is putting all those things together in ONE season and playing hot at the end.
For example, Mayfield's stats in the year you said was average (2023) are roughly Darnold's stats in a Super Bowl winning season, so for example the Bucs could arguably play defense inferior to the 2025 Seattle defense and make up the difference in offense (the 2024 Mayfield year)
are you suggesting to me that the Philadelphia Eagles are not one of the best run franchises in the league? In the last 9 years, they have made the playoffs in 8 of those seasons. They have also won 2 Superbowls.
i hate the Eagles but can't argue that they have one of the best GMs in the league
Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I dont know why you picked 9 years, maybe tenure of the GM? I think they are good franchise BUT right now they are selling the future for today at a rate that far eclipses every other NFL team, so they are either trailblazing geniuses or a future den of extreme regret. We will see. For all that selling of the furutre though, they are a bit of a mess, having a QB who ignores the plays called to makes stuff up on the fly etc