But they both have a hand in the collapse last year
One was a QB who’s play clearly regressed due to multiple injuries.
The other was a career losing HC, who gets out-schemed by junior college OC’s and lost a locker room.
While there’s definitely blame to lay, it isn’t equal.
You know I'll blame him more for sure but let's not pretend that baker was great. He was hurt and probably should not have played but he did and the results on the field were not good.
Never said Baker was blameless.
But, I’m also acknowledging that we probably win 3-4 games total last season without him.
Yes he willed his way to wins early on and he does have that do whatever it takes to win in him but he does get hurt too. It could be a challenge to keep him healthy with the formula we currently have.
My main point about baker is the investment side of it within the plan the bucs currently have. It's not sustainable because bowles will continuously put this team in a position where baker has to pull the team out of the funk it's in. The interceptions are also probably a part of that. That formula was just not sustainable.
They need to prove that a restart isn't the best idea. And who knows what that is.
My main point about baker is the investment side of it within the plan the bucs currently have. It's not sustainable because bowles will continuously put this team in a position where baker has to pull the team out of the funk it's in.
Agreed.
It was the teams that the Bucs lost to is the greatest reason the Bucs lost most of the last 9 games. The last half of the 2025 was suppose to be the easiest part of the season. So if you are looking for someone to blame, blame the panthers, the saints, the falcons and especially the dolphins who tricked the bucs into complacency by starting a rookie QB. That was downright diabolical of the dolphins.But they both have a hand in the collapse last year
One was a QB who’s play clearly regressed due to multiple injuries.
The other was a career losing HC, who gets out-schemed by junior college OC’s and lost a locker room.
While there’s definitely blame to lay, it isn’t equal.
You know I'll blame him more for sure but let's not pretend that baker was great. He was hurt and probably should not have played but he did and the results on the field were not good.
Never said Baker was blameless.
But, I’m also acknowledging that we probably win 3-4 games total last season without him.
But they both have a hand in the collapse last year
One was a QB who’s play clearly regressed due to multiple injuries.
The other was a career losing HC, who gets out-schemed by junior college OC’s and lost a locker room.
While there’s definitely blame to lay, it isn’t equal.
You know I'll blame him more for sure but let's not pretend that baker was great. He was hurt and probably should not have played but he did and the results on the field were not good.
Never said Baker was blameless.
But, I’m also acknowledging that we probably win 3-4 games total last season without him.
Obviously true (in bold) and that truth is what makes the Badabing/Biggs position border on a TROLL. Culling out an "MVP" start to get the infamous "11 games."
makes no business sense to sign him now, especially when you can easily just franchise tag him
If they think he’s “their guy” then yes, it does.
Needs to be within reason though.
I wouldn’t go beyond 4yrs - $160M with $96M to $100M guaranteed.
He’d be set financially and it could be an easily structured “team friendly” deal. They can draft the replacement.
Win/win for both sides.
Otherwise, he can enjoy his time in LA for a few years.
you probably hit it on the head with the amount of years Baker would accept but way light on the $40M AAV.
The AAV doesn’t matter.
The guarantee does.
And, I was pretty spot on in that department.
oh so amount per year doesn't matter or apparently length…
I’ve been more than consistent in my stance on guarantees.
On MULTIPLE occasions, you’ve proven you prioritize AAV over the full guaranteed amount.
I have no idea why, other than you being a complete fucking idiot.
But they both have a hand in the collapse last year
One was a QB who’s play clearly regressed due to multiple injuries.
The other was a career losing HC, who gets out-schemed by junior college OC’s and lost a locker room.
While there’s definitely blame to lay, it isn’t equal.
You know I'll blame him more for sure but let's not pretend that baker was great. He was hurt and probably should not have played but he did and the results on the field were not good.
Never said Baker was blameless.
But, I’m also acknowledging that we probably win 3-4 games total last season without him.
Obviously true (in bold) and that truth is what makes the Badabing/Biggs position border on a TROLL. Culling out an "MVP" start to get the infamous "11 games."
so help me with the math folks
Bucs win 8 games - the last 3 being solely because of the defense (NO, AZ, CAR) and we win that with even Teddy Bridgewater.
But certainly the bar is not Teddy Bridgewater right? So you hit it right on the head....the last 11 games, basically could have had shit at QB and get the same result.
Baker had some late comebacks in the first 3 games. Defense seem to have done their part in the first 3 games, no? Special teams was absolute ass.
So Baker geting credit for flashy comebacks. Week 1 with a 53.5% completion rate and just 167 more yards than you or I, with just 17 points scored with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Got it.
Or what about Houston. It's 14-13 Bucs with 3 minutes left in the 4th. Special teams gives up long put return. Got it.
or the Jets game, Bucs up 23-6 left by a Dean pick six. It's then 26-20 so 19 points by the offense until a special teams blocked field goal. Kudos for Baker to leading Bucs into field goal range.
Bucs looked their best in the back to back SEA/49ers weeks. Baker was MVP caliber there.
The Seattle game...kudos to the offense 38 points but the 49ers game was also complete domination 30-19. Defense gave up 3 points in the second half.
so appreciate the overrating of the comebacks but let's not be giving him credit for those 3 unimpressive wins....i cant even say late in the year...i guess since Halloween we will call it?
makes no business sense to sign him now, especially when you can easily just franchise tag him
If they think he’s “their guy” then yes, it does.
Needs to be within reason though.
I wouldn’t go beyond 4yrs - $160M with $96M to $100M guaranteed.
He’d be set financially and it could be an easily structured “team friendly” deal. They can draft the replacement.
Win/win for both sides.
Otherwise, he can enjoy his time in LA for a few years.
you probably hit it on the head with the amount of years Baker would accept but way light on the $40M AAV.
The AAV doesn’t matter.
The guarantee does.
And, I was pretty spot on in that department.
oh so amount per year doesn't matter or apparently length…
I’ve been more than consistent in my stance on guarantees.
On MULTIPLE occasions, you’ve proven you prioritize AAV over the full guaranteed amount.
I have no idea why, other than you being a complete fucking idiot.
right...so the other QBs all opted for years and AAV.....and you focus on the one thing you maybe got right (still no link?) gotcha cuz....
and the main point, our QB was upset at the so called "great offer"
hello!!!
and the main point, our QB was upset at the so called "great offer"
Oh, you must be referring to that offer you said he wouldn’t get this off-season, because the Glazers thought like you.
Derp, derp…
and the main point, our QB was upset at the so called "great offer"
Oh, you must be referring to that offer you said he wouldn’t get this off-season, because the Glazers thought like you.
Derp, derp…
per Adam Scheft....Baker was upset with the length of contract...
poor guy, should just have listened to you on this board about how length and value doesnt matter! Derp, derp
The signing of Vea to an additional 6 million this season and an additional 22 million in 2027 makes it difficult for the Bucs to sign Baker without some creative renegotiations with other players contracts.
and the main point, our QB was upset at the so called "great offer"
Oh, you must be referring to that offer you said he wouldn’t get this off-season, because the Glazers thought like you.
Derp, derp…
per Adam Scheft....Baker was upset with the length of contract...
poor guy, should just have listened to you on this board about how length and value doesnt matter! Derp, derp
Coming from the guy who thinks that a player who signs a 5-year, $250M contract actually gets $250M. 🤡
But, let’s run an exercise.
Since you’re incapable of any original thought and rely on Chat GPT for everything; why don’t you ask it what’s more important…
You say it’s:
1. Contract Length
2. AAV
I say it’s:
3. Fully guaranteed money
Let us know the results!
our QB was upset at the so called "great offer"
like Vea wanted to be traded
"Vea responded: “Just all part of the business. I got drafted here. I made Tampa my home. Love it here. The guys on the team are like brothers to me. We look at each other as family; so i didn’t want to leave that behind and switch teams, get traded. So that was never the end goal for me. I always wanted to be here.”
GRAIN OF SALT REQUIRED
our QB was upset at the so called "great offer"
like Vea wanted to be traded
"Vea responded: “Just all part of the business. I got drafted here. I made Tampa my home. Love it here. The guys on the team are like brothers to me. We look at each other as family; so i didn’t want to leave that behind and switch teams, get traded. So that was never the end goal for me. I always wanted to be here.”
GRAIN OF SALT REQUIRED
There’s a human component to the NFL that seems to be overlooked by the fantasy football crowd. It’s why Baker isn’t going anywhere.
The signing of Vea to an additional 6 million this season and an additional 22 million in 2027 makes it difficult for the Bucs to sign Baker without some creative renegotiations with other players contracts.
Bucs can sign Baker still if they want him. They just have to let go of some of the players they think too highly of IMVHO. Diaby isn't a guaranteed to receive an extension for example and we have to see what Bain and Walker can do.
I would prefer to see Diaby extended over Kancey but at this point I would not be surprised if Diaby and Kancey do not receive extensions. Remember the Bucs are looking to go bigger on defense and Diaby is a powerful for his size. One would think he fits the profile of what Bowles wants with a bigger front. But you never know what the Bucs are thinking because they could want an elephant rusher manning that position who is larger than even Diaby to play opposite of Bain long term. Kancey is athletic enough to play elephant position in spurts but he is really undersized as three tech if the Bucs want to be bigger upfront for the future.
our QB was upset at the so called "great offer"
like Vea wanted to be traded
"Vea responded: “Just all part of the business. I got drafted here. I made Tampa my home. Love it here. The guys on the team are like brothers to me. We look at each other as family; so i didn’t want to leave that behind and switch teams, get traded. So that was never the end goal for me. I always wanted to be here.”
GRAIN OF SALT REQUIRED
he didnt even counter
of course, Baker likely laying it on a little bit, but the fact remains, the contract offer was so bad, they didnt counter
we was upset with the length per actual NFL reporting but i digress.
